Australian, born in Israel, visiting Dubai

Hello,

I have a friend, he is an Australian citizen
He was born in Israel and migrated to Australia 20 years ago.
He is planning to visit Dubai for few days when he goes to Europe in May as a tourist.

Would there be any problems with him entering Dubai?

He has a new Australian passport that doesn’t have any stamps yet but it does show that

• place of birth is specified as one of the Israeli cities
• Nationality is AUSTRALIAN

Normally the Entry Visit Visa is granted by the UAE Authorities upon arrival at Dubai airport free of charge.

He will be traveling with his girlfriend. They are not married.

Should he apply for Dubai visa in advance, while he is in Australia to avoid any problems at the Dubai airport customs?
How long does the application take? Where is the best place to apply for it?

Thank you

Comments

  • -6

    Why would he want to put his money into a racist country's economy?

    • +4

      He doesn't have much choice. Can you name a country which isn't racist?

      • +11

        I was referring to institutional racism..

        • +15

          better avoid israel then.

        • +10

          @imtahir7:
          Australia too

        • @cDNA:

          i agree 100%.

          predjudice and racism exist everywhere

        • @imtahir7:

          Can't argue with that.

        • @imtahir7: You must be a butthurt pakistani.

      • I'm willing to bet the person that prepared the list isn't very well travelled (but of course every country in that list has racists, like every other country).

        Most Commonwealth countries have overt racism because they actually have enough minority groups to be racist against. People didn't know how racist "Australians" could be towards foreigners until it abolished its White Australia policy. There's a reason central and eastern Europe doesn't have many immigrants (and yes, it goes beyond economic reasons). And east Asia is just as racist outside Japan (but of course being an island helps). Try being a gringo in some parts of South America. In the Middle East and Africa the hate towards different tribal groups is so extreme that racism against foreigners being an issue is not even considered.

        Nationalism is the right of a select group of people to define borders where they can breed strictly with their cousins and have in-bred babies with the same genetic diseases. At some point in time almost 200 countries got together and decided we've finally reached borders that could create the perfect distribution of in-breds after many years of fighting and lusting after one's non-cousins. And those that just want to get along and have relationships based on love instead of history are ruining it for everybody…

      • +1

        Wow, not one but two moronic lists made by two random morons on the Internet!

      • +1

        Does 1st link has any credibility? Don't like links from anywhere like a guy made a website and you portray it as a fact.

      • What we're only coming 8th, we can do better!! at least top 5

      • The UN study is much more reputable. It shows all the AngloAmerican countries as the LEAST racist.

        People go on about how racist Australia is. It's nothing compared to Asia and Africa (the most racist) and the rest of the world.

        Obviously things can be better but there is no need to beat ourselves up over it so much.

        Visual map from UN study - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-wo…

    • +1

      Should have said, why put money into a country that performs public beheadings?

    • Something something Native Title?

  • I've been to Dubai, no visa need with Australian passport.

    What's the issue?

    • +1

      The issue is that my friend has dual citizenship and the city of birth on his passport. He is concerned they may not let him enter Dubai as the Visa is granted on arrival.

    • +9

      He's an Israeli. The arabs hate Israel and Dubai especially have little to no business with them.

    • The issue is Israel. Dubai doesn't recognise Israel at all. All Israeli web sites are inaccessible. I would not risk getting a visa on arrival.

      • +1

        The issue certainly isn't Israel.

        • +1

          Yes actually you are correct. I should have worded it as "The issue is you are visiting Dubai with your birth place as Israel."

    • -1

      Arab country, born in Israel. Is he nuts. He might go straight to an awful arab jail.

  • +3

    I'd say he would have no problems. They'll look at the Australian passport. It shouldn't matter he was born somewhere else.

    Dubai is a great place to visit on the way to Europe. It's pretty interesting to see a place that 10 years ago was desert and now is a massive city.

    Remind him and his girlfriend to look up how to dress and behave over there. In particular his girlfriend needs to be pretty mindful about what to wear.

    You also can't hold hands and can't take photos with your arms around each other in public (stupid I know but you don't want to be caught)

    See http://www.expatwoman.com/dubai/monthly_faqs_dubai_dress_cod…

    • +1

      "Liberal Senator Helen Kroger arguing that the new deal could affect “the human rights and safekeeping of Australian citizens.”
      Citing business executives held in solitary confinement on allegedly trumped-up fraud charges"
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/australian-jews-seek-…

      • +3

        Did you seriously neg me?

        I can't read the article because I'm not subscribed….

        Dubai is pretty open now days. It certainly isn't as strict as it was, now it has become a international transit hub.

        If your friend is traveling on their AUSTRALIAN passport, I can't imagine them taking that much notice of the place of birth. If it isn't a major city the immigration officer probably won't know where it is.

        Check with the UAE embassy again and stress your friend has a Australian passport.

        According to http://uae-embassy.ae/Embassies/au/faq's/758 even having a stamp from Israel isn't a problem….

        If it was a issue Qantas or Emirates would have advice on their website about this situation…

        • +7

          I'm still trying to understand why you're being negged.

        • +6

          @ozkiwi75:

          Because some people were having bad days and it makes them feel powerful.
          And/or they have minuscule penises.

        • +3

          @ozkiwi75: Appreciate the support mate thanks…

          I don't understand either. The OP is Australian his "friend" (though I suspect it is him as he has posted this on several other forums as "I am going to Europe" not "my Friend is"…) Anyway his "friend" is also Australian. I doubt he'll have a massive problem with the fact that he was born in a foreign city. As far as Australia is concerned he is Australian.

          I think you / or your friend will have more of a issue checking into a hotel with your girlfriend when you aren't married.

          @grandfather If you want to make the article a PDF and then chuck it on dropbox or somewhere so I can read what you are on about that'd be great.

          @Beethoven:

          And/or they have minuscule penises.

          I think you hit the nail on the head.

        • +1

          @knick007: or maybe the bishop on the head?

      • +1

        first of all biased/misleading news network haaretz is the Israel's equivalent of Fox news in USA.

        • Yeah, that's what's important here.

        • +1

          On the contrary, haaretz is strong left wing.

        • +1

          Ha aretz is ultra left wing more so than anything in Oz… It's always talking love peace and mung beans with the Arabs if the article is in haaretz it must be a very serious issue regarding dual nationals being deported or jailed at the airport.

    • +1

      He may or may not have a problem depends on his pure luck. Why do you risk it.
      I had a friend who was born in Sri Lanka lived in US with Green Card. He went for a tour in Europe, then went to Israel and from there to Saudi. He couldn't enter Saudi just because he had visited Israel in that tour and had a stamp in passport. This was at least 8 years back. That part of the world hasn't changed much since then. The freedom is defined very differently in different parts of the world. So don't just try your luck as it can go wrong as well. I suggest he better get a visa before hand so that he has no risk during his trip.

      • -1

        I'll get negged again for this but that part of the world has never been the safest to visit and Israel has always been extremely strict with their border control.

        Why the heck would he go to Saudi anyway? I don't even find that surprising at all that Israel didn't let him in.

        The OP or his "friend" cannot apply for a visa. He has an Australian passport therefore he doesn't need one. The only issue could be if the immigration officials realise he was born in Israel.

    • Lived there 10 years. People walk holding hands all the time, its the most hedonistic city I have lived in.

    • Went there 2 weeks ago, was super worried about how wife was dressed, when to hold hand etc, absolutely no problem in the end. Many expat holding hands in public, many westerners in short skirts, singlets, couples hugging in public in front of Dubai Mall next to fountain and people in bikini walking down beach. Was my experience unusual?

  • +5

    Your "friend" has a legitimate point though. I have heard of another "friend" who was arrested at the airport and another arrested at the hotel a few days after check in (apparently as the couple were not married/but may have also been their origin on their passport perhaps). Some people have been arrested for months before paying a fine and being let go.

    The passport will list Israel as the birth place. This may raise a flag (at customs or for future reference when you come back to the airport). As in the past, they were issues in leaving the airport.

    Another "friend" had issues when leaving the country, and during a search, they discovered another passport from Israel. I heard they were detained. In the past, people of Israeli origin have had issues in being permitted in the UAE (which is preferable to detainment).

    It is well known that the UAE is participant of the Arab League.

    http://www.traveller.com.au/dont-kiss-dont-swear-rules-of-a-…
    *Source: Dubai Department of Tourism and Commerce Marketing
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-soo…

    You should have your "friend" contact the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council (AIJAC) or seek advice from a lawyer to be on the safe side.

    • @grandfather Thanks for the advice will pass this onto my friend.

    • This is 2013 media report after the international incident in 2010
      Would be good to hear what's happening now in there. I expected Dubai be different to the rest of UAE and more open to tourists.

  • +1

    Some more information:
    We've contacted UAE embassy in Canberra - they told us that most likely everything will be fine and the worst case scenario, they will send him back to Australia. They can't guarantee anything or issue anything in writing.

    So now he has 2x choices that are affordable:

    1. Fly to Europe with Qantas and emirates using frequent flyer points to pay for the trip in full and stop in Dubai but take the risk of being sent back to Australia mid-way to Europe. Qantas is a more premium/safer airline using newer A380 aircraft.

    2. Fly with Thai airways and stop in Bangkok and pay the sale fare. Thai airways has been recently declared as category 2 airline and reviews are telling they are nowhere near as good as they used to be. They are also using older 747 aircraft.

    Obviously for my friend Dubai is a much more preferred destination over Bangkok.

    Do you think, if he applies for UAE Visa in advance and get it approved, would it be enough to guarantee his safety?

    • +2

      Although uncomfortable, wouldn't they let him sleep at the airport to wait for his flight in 2 days. They made an Indian with bad work papers do that when I was in Sharjah airport.

      Most airport officials I've encountered in non-English speaking countries are bottom of the barrel intellectually and couldn't pick a major city yet alone a minor one. You're more likely to get suspicious Borat-like officials in Sharjah airport than Dubai as well.

    • +14

      I'd personally go via Bangkok. the risk of being returned to Australia is real and not worth it in my books. I also wouldn't feel comfortable in a country where it was so obvious I was not welcome due to my race or religion.

      • +5

        After Abigail Gali was imprisoned for getting raped (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LUM3pTwp6xY) - aka sex outside marriage - you'd think few women would want to visit the UAE, but that inquisitive nature in us takes over our sense of ethics and security.

        A Norwegian woman faced the same issue a few years ago, but these days the UAE is more likely to "quietly" target the larger bulk of Arabs and South Asians (and of course Emiratis) due to "business pressures".

        • +1

          Unfortunately if I took into account the poor treatment and personal blaming of sexual assault victims I would be unlikely to travel anywhere- even within Australia.

        • +1

          @maximum:
          So well said. If we didn't go somewhere based on things we have serious issues with, we'd never leave our houses let alone our countries.

        • @maximum:

          Oh do come on! There is a world of difference between refusing to help a rape victim - even blaming them for being raped, and actually imprisoning them for being raped.

    • +2

      If your friend definitely wanna go via Dubai (for whatever reasons - carrier, aircraft type, flight time, etc) and the connection time is not excessively long, can you friend just transit (i.e. just hang around within the restricted area in the airport and not clearning immigration)?

      • +2

        Yeah give it a miss… so many countries which he'll never visit anyway so see one of those instead, I wouldn't risk it. Transit would be fine.

    • +14

      Obviously for my friend Dubai is a much more preferred destination over Bangkok.

      To me it was 'obvious' Bangkok would be a much more preferred destination…

    • +2

      There are far more options than just those two transit cities. ANA, JAL, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Korean Air, etc. are all well regarded and have relatively modern fleets. Don't read too much into "category 2" or whatever rankings as lots of these are based on airlines paying the ranking organisations or getting their own staff to vote on them. Hence the reason why Air Koryo is supposedly the only "1 star" airline in the world despite not having the worst safety record or oldest fleet (not saying they are great).

    • Transit through Dubai shouldn't be an issue … getting in depends on the person handling 'On Arrival' visa request.

    • I would go to bkk before Dubai…atleast you can have a beer anywhere you want.

  • +13

    I had no idea of these problems, if i were your friend i wouldnt bother visting dubai and go somewhere else. Last thing you want on a holiday is problems. Not worth the risk

  • +2

    Dubai is a curate's egg. If you don't go during Ramadan, damn my travel agent, then it is a reasonable destination. (However, we will probably never go back). If I was your friend I would avoid any of the Muslim countries like the plague. You just don't know when you are going to strike some official with a bee in his bonnet who will stuff things up for you out of malice. They would probably be OK if they were transiting through the airport, but spending any time there might be an issue.

    • After reading more details about the Istanbul bombing yesterday (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/erdogan-offic…) I think you have a point.

      I've changed my mind. Fluck the Middle East when it comes to tourism. Though to be honest Thailand is nothing special anymore either.

      • +2

        The problem is nowhere is safe. When we have sieges in Sydney and bombs in Paris then you will be looking over your shoulder anywhere. We had the hooligans running amok during Moomba FFS. Bunch of loser parasites.

        • +1

          Sieges? 1 does not a plague make. We're one of the safest countries you can live in. Yes no where is 100% safe. Never has been any such place.

        • +1

          @syousef: I think we might be violently agreeing with each other. My point is that nowhere is safe and I never said that there was a time when it was. According to this website we are number 15th in the world ranking on safety

          http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/safest-countries-in-the-w…

      • +2

        Israel is really safe. Gaza and the West Bank not so much but the rest is so safe. I felt more safe in Israel than in some parts of Australia.

        • But Hamas fires rockets into there daily! It's the whole excuse for the wall and illegal occupation of Palestine! (or so the Israeli govt claims)

          Not so safe if you are a Palestinian trying to get to a hospital but granted they would be coming from Gaza or the West Bank

      • Peter….the women are special….especially the ones who aren't really women…so I've heard….lol

    • +2

      Donald trump is that you?

      • +2

        If you think that this is in the same league as Trump you obviously haven't been following his rantings. There is nothing wrong with being concerned about your safety in travelling, especially when there are morons who think they have the right to enforce their religion using violence and, frankly, those idiots make Trump look like a model of benevolence. The really sad part is the people who suffer most are usually people who follow a variation of their own religion. You do wonder what their God must make of them.

  • +9

    I dont understand why anyone would want to support a country that still beleives in fundament religion even if it appears toned down. Surely there are better places for their patronage.

    • Are you talking about Judaism? And supporting Israel?

      • +5

        Does it matter which country/countries I'm referring too?

        Fundamentalism whatever the country hardly has an impressive record of freedom, peace or tolerance. Like I said why support any country or business that overtly makes it a priority?

        If a country doesn't like my background or any other personal trait, why would anyone STILL want to give them money ?

    • +6

      All of that, is not in the UAE.

      • -7

        My bad. I thought we were talking about Saudi Arabia.

        I wouldn't support UAE either.

        • It's ok to express opinions but please refrain from personal attacks or inflammatory comments.

        • -2

          @moocher:

          I didn't attack anywhere? Don't see why my post should be deleted. This sounds like some Saudi Arabian law to me.

        • @tren: There was only 1 comment above that was a personal attack and it wasn't yours. However since that comment has been unpublished, the subsequent replies were also unpublished as they were replying to an unpublished comment.

        • -2

          @moocher:

          That's a pretty silly rule IMO. Sometimes some really constructive content could be within those comments.

        • +1

          @tren:

          Really constructive, like claiming the removal of useless posts "sounds like some Saudi Arabian law" to you.

        • -1

          @ausmechkeyboards:

          Yeah, it does sound like a Saudi Arabian law since they are listed as an 'enemy of the internet'.

    • +3

      Women? Pfft who cares about them. It's only HALF the world's population.
      Thank you for that point.

      My girlfriend lives in Dubai and I don't get it. She said you are either totally objectified as a rape or sex object or treated like a waste of space. There is no in between.

      • -4

        I think you may be talking about half of the Asian countries

    • +6

      To everyone negging me, you need to realise that the UAE is a massive violator of human rights. If tourism wasn't a primary source of their income, they'd probably be just as bad as Saudi Arabia.

      The UAE's judicial system is derived from the civil law system and Sharia law.

      • Flogging is a punishment for criminal offences such as adultery, premarital sex and alcohol consumption.[5][6] Due to Sharia courts, flogging is legal with sentences ranging from 80 to 200 lashes.[5][7][8] Verbal abuse pertaining to a person's sexual honour is illegal and punishable by 80 lashes.[9]

      • Between 2007 and 2014, many people in the UAE were sentenced to 100 lashes.[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18] More recently in 2015, two men were sentenced to 80 lashes for hitting and insulting a woman.

      • Stoning is a legal punishment in the UAE. In May 2014, an Asian housemaid was sentenced to death by stoning in Abu Dhabi.[48][49][50] In 2006, an expatriate was sentenced to death by stoning for committing adultery.[51] Between 2009 and 2013, several people were sentenced to death by stoning.[52][53]

      • Homosexuality is illegal: homosexuality is a capital offense in the UAE.[65][66] In 2014, an Emirati man was on trial for being accused of a "gay handshake".[66]

      So if you think the UAE is paradise, go ahead and drink alcohol and shake hands with as much people as possible.

      • You can drink alcohol in bars over there (rediculously expensive however).

        • I found an open bar during Ramadan a few years back. Can't comment on the price, company paid.

          Actually, alcohol is even tolerated in Saudi Arabia in certain circumstances… Such as homebrew in a gated ex-pat community..

      • +3

        And Israel isn'tamassive violator of human rights? This is the pot and the kettle.

        • Never said they weren't.

      • +1

        Can you present one case where the stoning was carried out.

        This is sharia law but these things are rarely carried out and even capital punishment is a non reality there.

        It's easy to wallow in the paranoia that is associated from Internet browsing but going there and seeing it for yourself is a different matter.

        The laws are often slacker than here. I'm not saying its all good but your views are WAY off reality

        Eg a friend of mine got in a car chase with police whilst inebriated, crashed rolled his car. He got a month in prison, didn't even get deported.

        British couple having sex on the beach in front of Barasti bar. A beach bar with loud music full of pissed expats and holiday makers. Police told them to get back inside. Came back 10 minutes later and they were at it again and being mouthy towards police. Got arrested and spent a month in jail and deported…fair enough, it's still sharia law and if you are that stupid then you deserve it….show respect.

        Islamic countries have sharia law. They don't have to follow it.

  • the UAE is trying to showcase the UAE, locking up Australian citizens because of their birthplace is pretty bad publicity.
    I'm not saying they will or wont, they might but from a business standpoint its not good for business.

    • +2

      It's not like Israel doesn't do the same if your place of birth is anywhere in the Middle East that isn't Israel.

      • +1

        I know multiple people with Australian passports born in Australia that werent allowed into parts of Israel and the occupied territories for the simple reason "they were males of terrorist age". Made to wait at checkpoints for hours until they went home

        • "They were males of terrorist age".

          Did they try entering Syria from Turkey? It doesn't seem there's any profiling going on 'round those parts. Not that it's doing them any good…

          I enjoyed my trips through the Middle East (mostly for the novelty factor) but I wouldn't bother returning now (and I didn't even get to do the pyramids). Same goes for Brussels but it was honestly quite boring.

          Due to my backpacking appearance (unkempt beard) I get detained a lot (yep, in Israel too) but they've always let me through thus far. Due to my random itineraries I get the most grilling when I return to Australia after I pass the automatic eye scans. I'm almost at 100% for the "random" hand swabs too (some lady must have obscured his view…).

        • +1

          @peterpeterpumpkin: neither of those countries were on their agenda

    • More likely he will be denied entry and will have to spend a few days sleeping in the airport.

      • +5

        when in doubt, go somewhere else. Its a big world

  • +20

    Don't risk it. My Jewish mate who is an Australian citizen has been kicked out of UAE while using it as a stop over. His mother got deported from Malaysia when her plane had an issue and did an un expected emergency landing.

    Any part of you is a Jew, avoid all Islamic countries

    • -7

      I don't think the issue is in being Jewish per se; rather Israeli. And having witnessed the spying episodes and a murder in a hotel lobby, with a fake passport (Australian of all nations) by Israeli spooks a couple of years ago, it may be somewhat warranted.

      • +3

        Seriously, get a clue.

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