Scrapping Old car, how to retain the tyres (brand new)?

Hi all,

TL;DR - I am scrapping my old car, which contains brand new tyres. How to retain them? what are my options?


I am in a strange situation. Not sure how to deal.
I am in NSW, having a Toyota Camry(1998, Conquest, 3.0 Lt, V6, Automatic), Rego expired two months ago.
6 months before my rego was due(around Sep-2015), a mechanic said the Car is in perfect condition, just needs tyre replacement before renewing the rego.
So, I decided to change the tyres before going for pink slip(Feb-2016), and got it done at a cost of $400.
Two days later, I went to KMart Auto(my mistake, should have gone to a local mechanic), to get a pink slip, they entered a huge list of things to be fixed(approx $3300 worth), and apparently they entered all the details in RMS website(Cos, the printout they gave contains website address of rms). I took the car to the local mechanic, after inspection, he said its gonna cost $2200 to fix all the repairs and get Pink Slip. Considering the age of the car, he suggested its better to scrap the car than wasting money on fixes.
I decided to scrap it, I am sure many wreckers wont offer more than $250, but I am thinking to retain the new tyres(atleast) and give to friends/family.

Is it possible? what options do I have?

Thanks for reading.

Comments

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    Swap in some old tyres before sending it to the wreckers?

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      Thank you.
      I thought of it but I dont have tools to swap or spare tyres. As the car is out of rego, I cant take it to mechanic either.

      • +3 votes

        Wreckers will allow you to "follow" the car to the scrap yard and once unloaded, they will let you take the wheels off.

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        And if you're feeling generous - donate your car to Kids Under Cover (for tax credits)

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          Thanks for the suggestion. I actually looked into it. If this car doesnt have new tyres, I would have gave it for charity.

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      Thank you, I am in the process of speaking to wreckers, one of them gave an option of taking the tyres back from their shop after towing the car. Another wrecker gave an option of giving the tyres back in a weeks time.

      • +2 votes

        if they say they'll return the tyres at a later date make sure you can identify them clearly somehow. might save you some hassle later if anything dodgy happens

      • +4 votes

        Don't take any wrecker at their word. If its not in writing then remember the old saying "Possession is nine tenths the law".

        We called all the wreckers in our area. Told them we had a recovered stolen Holden Gemini which had a $2000 reconditioned engine.

        Was promised by a wrecker to be paid $500 after delivering the Holden Gemini to them. Dad was excited and visited from interstate with his RAV4 to tow the Gemini to them. It was a dangerous and stressful process as there was no hydraulic brakes, damaged steering + suspension. When we got the Gemini to their door step they looked at the car, smiled and said not interested but we're willing to take it for free.

        We'd already been through such an ordeal that it would be dicing with fate a second time to risk the RAV4 and Gemini to tow it away. So we angrily left it there.

        That was a life lesson for us. Hope you don't have to learn the hard way about dishonest businesses.

  • +1 vote

    Hand in your rego plates, go back to the mechanic who said it was in perfect condition & get him to give you a blue slip, et voila, roadworthy! :)

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      the mechanic closed the shop, shouldn't have trusted him in the first place.

      • +1 vote

        Do you honestly think that the $3300 list is reasonable, is the car in that bad a condition?

        If not, consider a complaint about Kmart to Fair Trading about price gouging & scamming.

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          I think its a bit too late. It was two months ago.
          I was worried that the car may really have issues. Bought it only two years ago for $2000.

        • +1 vote

          @Cheap Charlie:

          Maybe Tracy Grimshaw and Brady Halls can lend a helping hand…

        • +5 votes

          @KaptnKaos: Normally I'd be suggesting Tara Brown, but she's a little busy ATM! ;)

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          @baazighar: I would be interested to see the actual list of issues, this makes a big difference. Many mechanics are unscrupulous (profanity) and just want to over service to make money, and then some don't even do the job if you can't tell.

          I got a timing kit done at NRMA MotorServ Marrickville, that should have lasted 100k, 20k and 18 months later I had a front main seal leak and the (profanity) wouldn't do a thing for me. I bet they charged me for the timing kit but only did the belt (the only thing you can see) and then figured any existing seal will last the 12 months anyway. When I took it to my another mechanic he said the seal literally fell out.

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          @Jackson:
          A link to the list provided below.
          Kmart Auto's list is bigger, that includes wiper blades(which I changed only a few months back at Supercheap), indicator light covers etc

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          @Jackson:
          You can contact NRMA (member relations team) and make a complaint. You are likely to get a more favourable outcome than going direct to store. Warranties are not necessarily limited to 12 months either.

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          @rw1452: no I did that, and they told me "we don't own the stores, they just use our name" and basically they did SFA . Just don't go there,at least if they were charging me up the ar$e they could do the job properly but they didn't even do that

  • +11 votes

    but I am thinking to retain the new tyres(atleast) and give to friends/family.

    Find out if they fit anyones cars first. You could go through all this hassle, and the tyres just sit in your garage for a year before you offload them on Gumtree for $50

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    @Spacebace
    Thanks, yeah they do fit to one of my friends and a relatives car. so no probs there.

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      swap the wheels/rims with the friend's/relatives' crap ones prior to wrecking. the tools to do so should be in the boot of the car

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        I wish it was that simple, their cars are newer than mine, they want tyres but not wheels. ;)
        So swapping is not that easy, unless I have old wheels.

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          Damn, they have rims/wheels they want to keep? :(

        • +1 vote

          Your mate/relative is going to have to pay someone to put your tyres on his rims anyway. See how much extra the tyre place charges to put his worn tyres back on your old rims. If the cost is worth it to your mate you could remove and load your rims in his car (two at a time if necessary), get the tyres swapped, put the rims back on your car with his old tyres then get your car taken away.

          But yeah, as you've said above that the wreckers will give you your tyres/rims back after taking your car - that sounds easier.

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    advertise it with the tyres for $800-1200 on ebay or gumtree

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      Not sure if anyone would buy if I say the repairs would cost 2000-3000. I am not sure if there is such a system in place, but the list of things to be fixed are entered into RMS website (as per the printout given by Kmart Auto).

      • +1 vote

        The ~$2-3k figure is most likely the sucker price…the real cost to get it roadworthy is probably only a few hundred.

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          List of Issues to fix provided by local mechanic. Not sure if i can reduce it, not sure how important all of them are for rego.

        • +9 votes

          @baazighar: Honestly, a lot of that looks to me like they're trying to rort you, overpriced simple things & unnecessary major things…timing belt for rego, nice try.

        • +1 vote

          @StewBalls:
          Thank you.
          Thinking of giving a try putting on Gumtree/Ebay, will mention all the issues the mechanic told me.
          I guess i would be lucky to get 500 ( 250 Wrecker offered price + 250 for the tyres, that cost me $425) which also saves the hassle of changing the tyres or picking up from wreckers.
          Feel bad to kill the car which is in running condition.

          will see how it goes, in the worst case, will give it to wreckers.

        • +1 vote

          @baazighar: Fair enough, at least you've got the integrity to be upfront about the issues, even if some of them look a bit specious to me.

          I hope you get a good buyer who is just as fair minded! :)

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          @StewBalls:
          Thank you, got another question.
          Even if someone buys the car(if i am super lucky ;), how can they take the care? it is out of rego :(

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          @baazighar:
          sure, firstly try to sell it off gumtree or ebay. I believe it will be quite quickly there with offers much higher than $250.
          just my 2c are here, the same as was mentioned by StewBalls, you don't need to change a timing belt for the rego. If it's just a small leak there because of seals, just ask a mechanic to wipe it out and clean with wd-40 for you…

        • +1 vote

          @baazighar: It's been a while since I've done this, but IIRC they have a few options:
          1. they can either put it on a trailer or tow-truck,
          2. get a permit from RMS to tow it with another vehicle,
          3. or…now I think this is still legal, but I'm happy to be corrected if things have changed…you can drive it solely for the purposes of registration to & from a place of repair &/or inspection…so provided it still drives fine, they can just drive it straight to their chosen mechanic for the repairs & rego inspection.

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          @StewBalls:
          Your third option is still legal, it says, nearest repair/inspection shop for the purpose of registration.
          and yeah, it still drives fine, I am driving for 1-2 kms once every week(in my back street) to keep the battery live.

        • +2 votes

          @baazighar: that's a pretty big risk to keep a battery charged. You'd be better to just let it go flat, then give it a jump start when you need, or go and get a cheap charger and plug it in now and again.

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          @Euphemistic:
          Thank you. Thought its better to keep it ready to be driven away when I need to. This car got NRMA, which can be used when it needs a jump start.

        • +2 votes

          @baazighar:

          That list is a backyard mechanics dream, will cost very little in parts and is mostly labour, if the body and engine/gearbox checkout then you'll sell it in no time.
          BTW, some states don't require a slip, roadworthy etc, you might get an interstater too.

        • +2 votes

          Yeah, the lights (a-c) just a couple of bulbs and maybe some clear amber repair tape?
          $5 at most.

          "Engine-tranny mount not secured" $220 to supply and fit a new mount, or tighten a few nuts?

          "Blades damaged or missing" — wiper blades? $30? Wow.

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          @mcmonte: I was thinking the same, maybe not 5 bucks but 5 bucks per light.

          The engine mount if not just a tightening could be as cheap as 35 bucks but not more than 100 and probably doesnt take more than an hour, so my guess is he is charging on that item between 120-185 per hour for an apprentice to do the work, which is just highway robbery. On top of that I have never heard of anyone failing a car for bad shocks, to the point where I know people who never change them and would rather sell their car.

          I know not everyone likes to do their own work, but I would explore you to learn to at least do the simple stuff. Once you learn how to do that you will save some money, learn something, have a bit of fun maybe and be able to take some pride in the maintenance of your car, although I understand it's not for everyone

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          lol where do you buy your bulbs?!

          With the other stuff like shocks, the OP would need to buy or borrow a trolley jack and have at least two axle stands to support the car. Then a breaker bar, torque wrench, various sockets, bearing puller and possibly a hydraulic press if the bushes need replacing…
          Quite an investment. Potentially dangerous work (for a noob) without a hoist too.

          I'd be inclined to seek referral to an honest mechanic (they do exist) for the major stuff, but only after I'd done the basic tasks and sourced the correct replacement parts from a wrecker/ebay/gumtree.

          Easy for me to say — I live in a state where annual inspections aren't mandated.

      • +3 votes

        The RMS list is only there for 21 days, during that time you cant get a pink slip from anyone else. After that you can go to any mechanic and start again. Had the NRMA doing the same thing to me a while ago, their $2500.- quote ended up a $850.- job.

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      Four new tyres - includes free car.

  • +1 vote

    Kmart Tyre and Auto are often ripping people off. And their Customer Care really DO NOT CARE.
    I will never use them again.

    • +2 votes

      True mate, I learnt it the hard way. will never ever use them.

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      They are driven to maintain a certain level of growth by their head office, and they are quite brutal. My local mechanic, who is great, a number of people I know use him and he will often send you to someone else to get work done if he thinks they will do it chi eager than him, used to be a K-mart head mechanic, and he left because he got sick of them asking him to up sell useless products

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      I had one of their customers come in to price a hose. Their quote was $220. Actual hose was less than $30.

      Was the top hose, less than 10 minute job to replace.

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    Your friend will need to pay for a tyre place to fit the tyres anyway. Just find a small and cheap tyre place and go there with both cars to swap the tyres. They may charge just a little bit more than to just fit them only.

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      Not such a wise idea if the donor car is unregistered.

      Think I'd just be putting the whole thing on gumtree and aim to get back the tyre cost and the scrap value, ie $6-700.

      Hurry up though, once it gets to blue slip it gets a lot harder to re-register. Within three months of expiry you only need a pink slip, which isn't a very thorough inspection. and if dodgy joe buys it will probably have it passed by the time it gets out your driveway. The list of defects doesn't sound that hard to make good (or conceal) for a home mechanic Fill in the notice of disposal and your free of it.

      Similar thing happen to my father, hail damaged car was told he would have it repaired. Then when the insurance found out how long it was going to be before it got repaired (lots of cars in the area damaged) the wrote it off. In the mean time they had gone through rego and got new tyres. End of the day his boat trailer got an awesome set of tyres with alloys, and the car got some old worn out things off the trailer.

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    When you scrap it, often the wreckers will actually ask you the condition of the tyres to give you an applicable quote. Tell then you have brand new tyres and ensure the quote is appropriate. Shop around.

    If you don't have tools to swap out the new tyres with old ones then I think this is really your only option.

    You can easily get $250 scrap for that car - Demand some extra $$$ on top because of the brand new tyres.

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    Not a car expert by any means, but Rocker cover gaskets should be around $200 max, they are a $50 part for Camrys? Also quite easy to put in. So charging $440 for that immediately shows that something is off/standard mechanic practice. Pretty sure that when mechanics see a car not made in the late 2000's they have a list of things that they go for. The prices for other items are what you would expect but wheter you need all of them is debatable.

    If you are aware of the issues and are registering for yourself, a mobile roadworthy service should have been more lenient. Would have cost about $250 and been better if you fixed all the light/signalling issues beforehand. Not sure if this is still an option as you have logged the information in the RMS database (I'm in QLD). This also ignores the safety issues that were identified with Kmart. Cleaning the engine of any leaks with a cheap degreaser ($15) and running a thicker oil ($70) could also help if you chose to get a mobile inspection and keep the car.

    If you do scrap it, I'd say go for $750 "as is, where is and firm" on eBay or Gumtree. This is going to depend on how the market is in your area. I've sold a severely damaged 2002 Ford Festiva for $340 on ebay five days from listing. Seems like they are going for about $500 on eBay Link

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      Thank you. Posting in Gumtree, and see how it goes for few days. If there are no buyers, will sell it to wreckers.

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    I am confused… is the pink slip equivalent of roadworthy in VIC? Was the car in working condition? Did Kmart had the right to forward your info to RMS without your permission? anyways.. I guess you can sell tyres on gumtree and scrap the car. Call around for different scrappers and mention it doesn't have tires.. and see who will pay the most. I am surprised some people still actually pay the scrapper to get their car scrapped… My first car, most scrappers said they will do it for free (as if they were doing me a favor lol), some said it will cost me $50, and some said they will pay me $50 - $100. I kept looking and found one who paid me $400. My car did have tires though, albeit old ones, and it was 10-12 years old when it got scrapped.

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      Yeah the car is in working condition. Not sure about the rights of KMart, but I felt a bit inferior(considering the old age of the car), thought KMart are genuine&reliable.
      Thanks for the idea, I didnt think of mentioning the car doesn't have tyres. I was in an assumption that they need to have tyres to tow the car.

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        Not necessarily. What if the car was really mangled in a bad accident and it's wheels and body were all dented and out of shape, they still somehow manage to tow that. I am talking about this type of truck..

        Truck

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    Hi OP, I don't know if it's worth it to keep paying the rego or buy the new-used car, but considering your situation most people would say that it's better buy a new one.
    But I rekcon if you have lods of spare time and have a mechanical DIY experience then I reckon you can just take your time sip on the VB and enjoy the fixing progress.
    You can watch youtube for the tutorial on How to fix your car as Toyota Camry 1998 is very mainstream like corolla & pretty much the same as USA model, which mean there will be lods of Tutorial of DIY source

    I reckon you can ask for the "official person" to do inspection to get the pink slip for around $50. For the broken part, You can use those list as a List To-Fix
    If you don't have the mechanical experience then perhaps ask the mechanical VET students/ lecturer in college that you're willing to let your 1998 camry to be the guinea pig for them. You can pay abit sum of money / not even a penny. I reckon it's perfect for them as Toyota Camry mechanic's system is one of the best to be learnt from

    Not so sure what happen after rego expired. I heard the maximal limit should be 3 months (whirlpool), less than that is still payable. After that,If the police/speeding camera catch you up, they will notice that the vehicle is illegal to be ride on & you'll be in big trouble.

    • +2 votes

      I wouldn't recommend starting out doing your own work to someone who has asked how to change tyres.

      Also your advice on rego doesn't seem right for NSW. In NSW every year after 5years old your car needs a pink slip roadworthy/safety inspection before your rego is renewed. The inspection covers lights, wipers, tyres, brakes etc and a quick overall mechanical inspection. If your car passes you pay rego. If it fails, you Need to fix the items listed and return to the same mechanic to compete the inspection and then you get your pink slip, after a shorter period of time, maybe 21days, the 'failed' inspection lapses and you can go to another mechanic to try again for a pink slip. This system is designed to prevent you trying it on with several mechanics until you get one to pass the vehicle without doing the work.

      If your rego has expired more than 3 months ago you need to get a blue slip inspection which is more thorough and involves an identity check for the vehicle and is generall y more of a pain in the ….

  • +4 votes

    Hey I work at a mechanics in chatswood. I think both of the quotes you've been given should have the timing belt price removed, it isn't required for registration. The oil leaks are unlikely to be from the timing cover area - timing belt works until it doesn't, should be replaced regularly, probably every 100000ks for 60% of cars or so. Your two different expert opinions are BOTH overcharging you because of this. I think you should be able to register it for another year for a lot cheaper than 2k (depending on oil leaks and how ruined your engine mounts / struts) bleh I would find another mechanic and get an actual failed rego page from rms website, should only cost $38, and some clearer information. Sounds like these two are untrustworthy.

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    Sell it to someone in Queensland. We don't have the yearly mech check, and we don't have a record of issues except for written off vehicles (which can be fixed and re-registered in Qld).

  • +1 vote

    Go to a car wash, clean the engine bay, take it to another mechanic and tell them you got a friend to fix all the stuff. What's the worst that could happen?

    • +2 votes

      He'll issue a failure for the lights and other stuff?

      Seriously though, if you ever take your car in for a rego inspection check all the lights, tyres, seat belts,wipers. These are easy to check and usually quick to repair. Fix that stuff before you turn up for the inspection, or at least mention it to the mechanic and there is less chance of th mechanic going to town on the rest of th car. Appear that you look after the car, and most mechanics will notice and do the inspection accordingly, show up with a bomb and they'll want everything fixed.

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    Easiest thing to do is ask your friend if they want them and change them over on the spot, if you have jack stands unbolt all four and go down to your local tyre shop and ask them to unmount them and put on old ones. Most of the time they will put on old tyres for free because they pay to have them removed anyway. They might charge you to unmount them though. Which naturally would fall on whichever friend your giving them to.

    Or ring up the wreckers and tell them to bring rims with them. They are spinning crap about not having any old tyres. Theirs an abundance of camrys in junkyards …

  • +2 votes

    Speak to your local FRNSW or SES unit. If they are rescue accredited they will most likely take the car, cut it up and give you the tyres back. You will be doing them a favour as well. By negotioation with the unit, you could then sell the car as scrap metal.

  • +2 votes

    This is an absolutely absurd situation. Your car is no doubt perfectly fine and safe to keep driving, and isn't even that old. Someone in SA would drive it around for another decade or two, no problems (no annual or change-of-ownership roadworthies here).

    I would get an unregistered car permit and drive it to the dodgiest looking mechanic you can find in western Sydney, and get a pink slip from them. that's what many of my NSW-based mates do on an annual basis.

  • +1 vote

    Thank you all for your suggestions/ideas/thoughts, very much appreciated.

    The car is in perfectly fine condition, I am driving it in the morning and evening to put it in & out of the garage(swapping with my other car). Didn't want to street park and get any fines.
    I rent a townhouse, where the garage(shared) is very tight. I might have tried doing some repairs if there is any flexibility.
    I have posted an ad in gumtree(with all the issues mentioned, for $750), there are around 15 enquiries so far, from wreckers. one of them offered to get his own tyres to swap with mine and take the car for $250. I left that option open. Will wait for few more days to see if any non-wreckers want the car even at a lesser price. Not greedy, but it would be a shame if this car is scrapped, it is in perfectly fine condition, minus the repairs. I didnt even know about those issues until the mechanics mentioned.

    An acquaintance of my mate is a mechanic, who is visiting tomorrow to see the car. Will take his suggestion and decide what to do.

    Thank you.

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      Thanks for the update OP, I hope it goes well for you. :)

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      " Didn't want to street park and get any fines"
      Is it because your rego is expired?

      Be really aware in the street because if you raise authoritah's attention to your car (speeding or drunk driving) while you car need a blue slip, the consequences ain't going to be an easy one for the UN-registered car. Not so sure if "I'm on my way to the mechanic"

      "Not greedy, but it would be a shame if this car is scrapped, it is in perfectly fine condition, minus the repairs. I didnt even know about those issues until the mechanics mentioned."
      I can totally relate you with this thing as I have a common issue with yours. Mines is 98 Corolla Automatic , and the cars:

      1. Have pretty new tyres, good years anti-slip during rainy day. Only using it for 10,000km
      2. Have quite a big dent on the left front door and I never bothered to fix it as it's not worth it for old-car. Exhaust Pipe was bent because I didn't see a high concrete when reversing (blind side). The car's paint damaged from The Sun's heavy abuse.
      3. Only have a few stuff left to fix after I done some DIY myself. I made To-Fix List from the List of Issue provided by Mechanic Inspector. Would be a real waste & shame to let it be scraped by car wrecker as it drive perfectly fine :(

      So what's your plan after you done fixing your camry? Will you get a blue slip?

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      Who cares who buys it, just make sure you lodge a notice of disposal with the RMS and you receive cash before it gets taken away.

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    A wrecker/scrapper agreed to buy it for $500, he is coming in an hour.
    What documentation needs to be done?
    He said, he is gonna give a receipt and the number plates, is that enough?
    Dont I need to fill any online forms like "notice of disposal"?
    Any quick response would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    PS: Didnt get any calls from buyers who would like to use it, got around 20 calls, all from wreckers.

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      Notice of disposal is essential. check the requirements on the RMS website

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        Thanks you.
        Checked with RMS service center this morning, No need of notice of disposal, but you got to handover the registration plates to the RMS. I have done it this morning, and asked if I need to do anything else, they said no. Just filled in a form with my licence number, car registration number, signed it and hand it over.

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