How Is Your Life without Torrents?

The question says it all. Now that most of the major torrents sites taken down and almost nothing appearing in search results of search engines, how is your life without torrents? Google, Yahoo and Bing will further reduce it to zero. Check link below.

Search engines & copyright holders ready voluntary anti-piracy code

UPDATE: Thank you everyone for the alternate solutions. Though I did use other ways to get the torrents I want, it is worth knowing the alternatives used by OBZ community. Hope this will help others too. Where there's a will, there's a way.

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  • +303

    You're not looking hard enough.

    • +5

      Maybe it's a trap from the cyberninja to infiltrate the 'alternatives'!

      • +2

        Though that was not the real purpose, it was worth posting to know the alternatives.

    • +4

      True.

      8.8.8.8!

      • hehe I'm extremely bad with tech stuff. managed to whack this into my network settings (mac) and it did the job for pirate bay (not that i'm downloading anything, i'm just testing).

        So for someone who knows nothing, this was by far the easiest way because VPN talk and all the rest of it was too confusing. And it's the first time I tested downloading torrents since the ISP block.

      • So I'm guessing that ISP's are only blocking these sites through DNS lookup, that's pretty lame.

    • /thread

  • +72

    you bring shame to the cyberninja name ! didn't know people still used public search engines / sites to access torrents.

    • What's the alternative?

      • +1

        Invitationnnnn

        I'm guessing. I don't get any though :(

      • +1

        if you really want to know, inbox me lol

        • +34

          That's exactly what an internet cop would say!

        • +4

          @zqipz: or an internet predator!

    • A Cyberninja may not be a Jack of all. ;)

      • You real load of random site for torrent now. my fav 1337x

  • +2

    The most cursory investigation will show numerous ways to access torrented information.
    Personally, I finally bothered to sign up for a couple of private trackers in the past 6 months.
    To be fair, I'm not pirating movies and things, rather looking for obscure things, so I don't torrent all the time.

    • +3

      What kind of obscure things? .If you don't mind me prying.

      • +33

        Nice try MPAA!
        Mainly books and old bootleg music recordings/live show recordings. Stuff that isn't high on the radar of the anti-piracy people.

        • Oh…ok! :) .I had to google what MPAA was :P
          I don't torrent , we have really slow adsl2 and can't be bothered.Just rent a movie now and again for the kids via the Hoyts Kiosk, thingy.If I'm feeling particularly "rich" that month I'll take them to see a movie, asking my friend to buy me the Telstra reward tickets.

        • +46

          @itajac:
          There is pretty good evidence that the people who actually pirate TV and movies are the same people who pay for netflix and foxtel and go to the movies a lot. The best customers of the movie studios.
          People like you and me who rarely spend much aren't really in their considerations one way or another.

          In a lot of ways, I believe the entertainment industry has been a victim of its success. When I was a kid, my family had 20 or 30 records. I remember my Dad saying that covered all his favourites and he was never without something to listen to.

          Later on we got a VCR and taped movies we liked off TV and sometimes rented a weekly movie or two. Add in going to the cinema once or twice a year and my whole family's media spend might have hit $10 a month.

          When I was a teenager, I bought a lot more music. Probably aa album/CD a month. And probably went to the movies once a month. My personal media spend was likely $30 a month, a huge increase on my parents generation.
          Fast forward and my teenagers would like to have Netflix, Spotify, Foxtel plus go to movies once or twice a month, plus buy apps and games.
          If said yes to all this, and judging from their friends, plenty do, we could easily spend $150-$200 a month.

          When entertainment/media makes up $20 of the household monthly budget, there isn't a huge driver for piracy. When it is 10 times that, there is a real motivation to avoid that cost. And remember the $200 ends up going into other areas of the economy, not buying American exports that don't support our tax base.

        • +7

          @mskeggs:
          Yeah, I agree.I'd just rather use that money for outings and experiences with the kids, while they're still little and like to hang out with mum and dad.

          We do family movie night but they're happy to watch somethibg from free to air tv on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, after we've come back from the beach, park, aquarium, etc.

        • @mskeggs:

          Great comment, mate.

        • +1

          @mskeggs:

          I know I download a fair bit ( most of it never viewed ) but still have stan and netflix…also go to the cinemas about 10 times a year as a family of 4 / 5 depending on movie. I also have a blu ray / dvd collection that would make most people cry ( at the wasted money ).

          But to them im probably just a bad guy.

      • +3

        Sub-saharan tentacle fart adult videos.

    • +1

      Personally, I finally bothered to sign up for a couple of private trackers in the past 6 months.

      Do you mind giving an example of such service and what does it exactly do?

      • +2

        They are web sites that operate as a private 'club' for members to share files, usually of a specific type via bitorrent.
        The idea being if they limit membership and stay 'private' then they won't attract the same attention the big public trackers like KAT or the Pirate Bay attracted.
        To join the club, most sites allow existing members to invite new ones or open up to to allow new members for short windows every now and again.
        They usually have rules which say you must share as much as you download and other rules.
        Some examples:
        https://opentrackers.org/
        https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenSignups/

        • Ok. But they aren't proof from piracy issues though.. right? While they attract less attention, at times they may attract the wrong attention resulting in an issue. No?

        • @virhlpool:
          What issue do you mean?

        • @mskeggs: Authorities tracking one's usage of Torrents.

        • @virhlpool:

          Doesn't happen with the private torrents that I'm a member of!

        • +1

          @virhlpool:
          The private trackers are occasionally targeted, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What.CD

          The barriers to getting membership make them a harder target than public trackers, which offer authorities a bigger result more easily. I don't know of any individuals in Australia being prosecuted except for the failed Dallas Buyers Club fishing trip and the somewhat different circumstances surrounding Hew Griffiths disgraceful treatment.
          If you have specific concerns, private trackers provide a tiny bit more assurance than using sites like the pirate bay, but they do not nullify those concerns.

      • Demonoid was a private piratebay like torrent site that required to have a current user invite you to the service.

        Had really great search and browsing display. They have brought it back, but not as good as before.

  • +1

    i cant live without it

  • +3

    Private torrent sites ;)

  • +44

    Damn that government. Their cutting edge technology has made it impossible to access torrent sites. /sarcasm

  • +11

    DNS 8.8.8.8
    and you have no issues

    dont need torrents when you have megalinks.

    • Or usenet

      • +1

        Usenet is not what it once was, torrents have significantly more easily findable content

        • +2

          Depends what you want. If you use Sickbeard and SABnzbd you will be able to get pretty much any new show as soon as they air, before any DMCA takedowns have been issued. Older stuff is no doubt getting harder to find, but again, automate it all and when someone reuploads they'll be downloaded automatically.

        • True. But that's why I use both :)

        • @MrFunSocks:

          Agree with this. I use Sonarr (TV series), Radarr (Movies bye bye PooPotato), 2 shared Usenet providers and a couple of indexers. With automation I grab over 95% of wanted items with no issue. If an item fails (generally due to DCMA takedown) it will just grab the next best release. Very rarely do i have to manually download anything

        • @4agte: do you use a public or a private indexer?

        • +1

          @fryandlaurie:

          Private mostly. I rate PFmonkey and NZBgeek the best out of my private indexers. I have several more but really isn't necessary

          Sickbeard is the only public indexer I use. I use this inconjunction with my private indexers in Sonarr

        • @MrFunSocks:
          Yep, i'm also on sabnzbd/sickbeard. Works well for new TV shows/movies, but not so great for older content, and not great for non-film content such as books and magazines

        • @dinna89:

          Have a look at Radarr. It's a new alternative to Couchpotato. It is a fork built from Sonarr. While still under develop there is regular updates and way better than PooPotato

          I would also encourage you to look at switching to Sonarr instead of Sickbeard. Sickbeard is no longer supported. There is a fork called SickRage but Sonarr is far better in many ways

          You can use Sickbeard side by side with Sonarr until you feel comfortable to switch completely. I don't image it will take longer. The UI and core functionality is far superior.

          Sonarr also handles failed downloads very well. That was the main reason I switched.

          There is a piece of software build specifically for books/magazines but I can't remember what its name just now. If interested pm me and I'll find its name for you when I get home

        • @4agte: Hey 4agte any chance you could send us an invite for PFmonkey? That would be awesome if you could. Cheers.

        • @hayythere:

          Unfortunately existing members have no ability to send invites out. PFM do occasionally open registrations but it usually doesn't last long. It seems to be one of the hardest indexers to get into. All I can suggest to keep an eye on https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/ but given how quickly they close it might not even matter.

          Check out NZBGeek if you haven't already. For movies and tv series I rate it on par with PFM

        • @4agte: Thanks for the headsup on Radarr!!! I love Sonarr (ditched SickBeard a long time ago!) and would love to have something similar for movies.

        • @4agte:
          Thanks for the advice, I hadn't realised that sickbeard wasn't supported, I'll have a look at sonarr and radarr

          As a side note, what indexers are considered good? I'm on dognzb.

        • @AncientWisdom:

          No problem. Just remember is it a very new program so you may experience some issues. However the ones I have experienced have already been fixed in updates. It is already far better than Couchpotato

          There is also another movie called Watcher. I haven't played with it too much as the features in Radarr seem better and also helps having the same UI as Sonarr

        • @dinna89:

          Dognzb is supposed to pretty decent. I actually haven't used it myself. I did see on Reddit it has experienced a fair bit of downtime of later

          Out of the indexers I have used I rank them as follows

          1. PFMonkey, NZBGeek, Sickbeard indexer
          2. SimplyNZB, NZBPlanet, NZBCat
          3. AltHub

          Keep an eye out for lifetime specials. Particularly around holiday periods. Black Friday is usually the best time to pick one up cheap

        • @4agte:

          Dognzb is great. One think I list is that you can set it to push to your downloader when it find the file you want. If you set it up with an IMDB watchlist, you just add your movie to the IMDB watchlist and then Dognzb automatically adds it to your wanted list to be pushed when found.

    • 8.8.8.8 is Google DNS. Google could voluntarily redirect TPB and other torrent sites from their DNS as the Aussie ISPs now do. And of course you can still be tracked accessing it.

  • +5

    So long, and thanks for all the fish.

    Also, this classic "Don't Copy That Floppy":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

    • Have you found a replacement? I feel like if they've managed to scare that community into dissolving themselves, then i'm probably wasting my effort trying to join any of these want-to-be replacements. Or atleast, they need to find a better, less risky approach to hosting such a community

    • Tetris was made by someone in the Soviet Union, he only received royalties in 1997 or something. The video shows as if tetris or any other art would not have been made without someone being paid for it. Although I do not mind people being paid for forms of art, but I mind art being taken over and monopolised by only monetary incentives. Then art will tend to consolidate itself with larger money making institutions.

  • I tried DNS 8.8.8.8 but didn't work for me (TPG) ended up setting up a VPN via an Ubuntu server which I'm paying $5 a month for and that has done the trick. It may sound daunting but having never used Linux before, I simply followed a step by step guide to get up and running. It cuts my speed to 10% which is frustrating but you do what you gotta do.

    There are still plenty of pirate bay mirror sites accessible to an unmodified connection that you can easily find via google but they're not as trustworthy as the real thing.

    • +1

      I'm with TPG and using PIA VPN I still couldn't get to TPB. I had to change my DNS to 8.8.8.8 to get to it.

    • +1

      Same here, with iinet, I need to use VPN with 8.8.8.8 to get around.

      • I've just started using mirror sites. Quick google gives you plenty.

        • Good to see that its not just limited to me, I first thought some of my configuration stopping it.
          Initially I got a blocked message by iinet, now i get unable to resolve after using google dns, but works with google dns + vpn. so its all good now :)

  • +22

    Nice try, AFP.
    Trying to catch out those who still torrent LOL

    • +7

      Nice try, AFP. Trying to catch …

      Thing is the AFP thinks it's a joke. And to be fair it is a joke: no ones losing anything, the music, TV and film industry continue to post record profits year after year at the same time as they whine about someone watching their stuff for nothing.

      • +16

        but, but, haven't you noticed piracy has brought new music and movie creation to a halt as creatives worry they might not get paid!?!?!
        /sarcasm

        • And you think if the government dropped all piracy laws that will stay the same?

        • +6

          @callum9999:
          Is that remotely possible?
          But yes, I do think if there was sensible copyright reform it would stay much the same.
          Throughout history people have produced plays, music, art and stories. Shakespeare wrote well without any copyright support, much better than Chuck Tingle, who enjoys life time royalties plus another 75 years of after death royalty protection. Or to put it another way, how did extending the copyright on Mickey Mouse inspire Walt Disney to create that mouse when Walt was already dead?
          Laws exist purely for the benefit of the community.
          That it happens that the US enacted copyright laws in recent times that immensely benefitted their community, then used their financial and imperial might to have them included in an Australian free trade agreement doesn't make their existence beneficial to the Australian community.

          50 Shades of Grey is copyrighted for the next seven plus decades. It has already attained the vast bulk of income it will ever generate, and protecting it for decades more does nothing to motivate its creation (assuming you think that creation benefited society…) and it would have been created if copyright was limited to something sensible like 10 years, or the 14 years it used to be.

          Australia pays literally billions of dollars each year to copyright holders offshore, far dwarfing any income our own creatives earn, and intellectual property laws have become one of the strongest tools for global corporate earnings growth and tax avoidance (via multi-national internal IP licensing/IP transfer pricing).

          It is a rort.

        • +1

          @mskeggs: That first paragraph has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard on this topic! Shakespeare didn't live in a time where his work could be instantly copied (to an identical standard) and transmitted around the world to billions of people virtually free of charge.

          The rest of your argument is simply irrelevant. I couldn't care less about whether you deem the creatives are creative enough, and how you need to steal their content in order to encourage them to make better stuff in the future. It's THEIR content and if they want to shoot themselves in the foot and allegedly damage their future income by demanding you stop stealing from them in the short term then that's THEIR decision to make, not yours. Laws never have, and never will, be "purely for the benefit of the community" - you seem to be living in some kind of dream world!

          I take no moral high ground on this topic as if something I want to watch isn't legally available on the likes of Netflix then I'll find a way to watch it anyway. I don't however act like I have some kind of moral authority to steal content from people/companies because I "buy other stuff sometimes", "stealing it forces them to make better stuff" or "they deserve to have their content stolen because of unspecified (presumably made up/assumed?) tax avoidance".

        • +2

          @callum9999:

          That first paragraph has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard on this topic!

          To be fair, I assumed you had some general knowledge on the topic, so I didn't rehash the arguments of why copyright was enacted and just jumped straight to arguing what a fair balance should be.

          Laws never have, and never will, be "purely for the benefit of the community"

          Why do you think we have laws then? Why would the community elect leaders to create and enforce laws unless it was for their benefit? I recognise that some laws get distorted and reasonable people can argue whether their final form is of benefit to the community (ahem, like copyright) but I'm not sure what other purpose you think lies behind the genesis of legislation/regulation.

          The argument for copyright is simple. It provides a uniform contractual framework to allow creators of IP to enforce an exclusive license for a time period. The costs of enforcing the license are largely met by the state in exchange for some elements that benefit the community, specifically the ability to bypass the license in certain cases (the Americans call this exception Fair Use, which is a nice shorthand) and an expiry of the license after a set period so the work then becomes public domain.
          This is the same as when it was invented in the 18th century. If copyright didn't exist, and indeed, even when it does, somebody can choose a different contract framework for their creative property - for example, I could contact you privately and offer you access to this comment only on terms that had you pay me a fee and sign a contract that said you would destroy all copies afterward. And should you not fulfil your end of the bargain I could sue you in court. If you look at a software EULA you will see that they attempt to enforce a bunch of additional rights that copyright laws alone don't cover in much the same way.

          The thinking behind giving somebody a copyright license enforced by the state, is that the community is richer when there is a wealth of ideas and cultural works being created and shared. So the expiry of copyright is as important to the community as the benefit the law provides to creators. If there were no expiry, then we would have the farcical situation where Disney couldn't make films of fairy tales and you couldn't get a copy of the bible, because the rights holders haven't authorised that to happen, and in fact, cannot.

          Your response suggests you want the government to enforce copyright because IP creators should be able to demand this. I disagree, and think if IP creators want the state to enforce copyright, they should stick to the terms of the bargain, fair use exceptions and a reasonable term.
          The balance where the term is currently the life of the creator plus 75 years is plainly unreasonable, in my opinion, and extending it retrospectively as was done in the 1990s was a naked grab for cash by corporate copyright holders.

          My argument is that copyright isn't an innate right of man, but a privilege extended to benefit society. Creators of intellectual property already have the option to use alternative enforcements if they feel copyright is too short or too open, but if they do so, they must enforce this themselves.
          When considering the balance in benefit to the community, we need to remember that Australia pays much more in copyright protected fees than our IP creators earn in income.
          Here are figures from DFAT/ABS for all IP. I can't find reliable figures for copyright alone:
          "Trade in intellectual property for Australia in 2014-15 was $A1.245 billion (exports) and $A6.031 billion (imports)"
          http://dfat.gov.au/trade/topics/intellectual-property/Pages/…

          Economically, it is strongly in Australia's interest to weaken copyright by limiting terms or expanding exceptions.
          And using IP laws to avoid paying tax via transfer pricing isn't a made up issue. Here is a general article on it, the ATO has more formal stuff:
          http://www.smh.com.au/business/counting-the-cost-of-transfer…

          To put it in simple terms, the argument that creators should hold all the rights is one that is bandied about to justify maximising the individual benefit to the creators. That is fine, but if they are unwilling to balance that privilege with a fair set of exceptions to copyright access and a reasonable limited term, then they should do their own enforcement, not depend on the state to do it for them.
          You might feel that nothing is too high a price to pay for creators' work, and that society has some moral responsibility to protect copyright holders, or maybe you hold a purely utilitarian view that there is an optimum level of protection that produces maximum creativity. I don't know, but you haven't put it forward yet.

        • @mskeggs: My argument is incredibly simple - their content, their decision on whether you can take it for free.

          That's it and there's absolutely no need whatsoever for an analysis over what benefits society the most. It would benefit society for us to be able to use your house when you're not using it - should that trump your property rights?

  • +7
    • -2

      citing gizmodo

      • +3

        using >'s

        • Markdown syntax doesn't work properly here.

          \>Should get you a perfect maymay arrow but it doesn't

        • @tatsulotto: yeah, I know. It's some funky flavour of markdown or they've simply disabled a few features.

  • +2

    I feel like if you understand enough to find torrents in the first place you will easily circumvent these attempted restrictions. You can't censor the internet.

    • To be fair, sites like KAT and TPB made it easy enough that my mum could find content. I have noticed non-technical friends asking for tips. One told me they were using 123movies, which I haven't looked into, but I presume is an online torrent streamer.

  • Wouldn't a free VPN (like cyberghost or windscribe) running on free WIFI remove most of the risk. Especially if you spoof your MAC address?Then you can search away.
    I've been thinking of doing this, so advice, advice please.

    • +4

      What risk are you concerned about?

  • +9

    I am an undercover secret CIA agent mission specialist operative and we have been identified of this website.

    You are all going to the federal pound me in the ass prison jail.

    Send all your undercover torrents to [email protected] for extermination.

    This is a federal warrant obey me now and you will not go to jail cell.

    • +35

      Nah, I don't have the internet. I'm just waiting for a mate.

      • +7

        Are you a federal officer of the law?

        • +6

          Definitive? Can you define that?

        • +2

          Ok I'll go but only for you.

      • +1

        So why is your keyboard all sticky?

    • +1

      Nice try, but we spell it gaol. You'll probably show me event viewer and say my computer is infected.

      • Please open this friendly pop up website called ukash to earn more moneys… /s

  • +1

    There are plenty of public torrent sources, not sure where you're looking. But doesn't seem you're looking very well.

    But this seems like a poorly implemented phishing thread.

  • if anyone wants to trade private tracker invites, pm me

  • I've done most of my downloading on private trackers for many years

  • +1

    LOL

  • +10

    Kodi Box.

  • Just google favourite torrent site + proxy and you'll find many that work fine with no real difference.

    • Some of the proxies inject junk in the replies. I looked at a couple that were trying to send all kinds of executable code etc. I didn't bother to work out if it was harmful, but it could be.

  • +1

    Torrents are far from being in a removed state in society. You're just not looking hard enough as already mentioned. There are also far more ways of obtaining music etc.

  • +1

    What? My life is still with torrents…. and I haven't changed my habits, same websites, same communities.

  • Torrents aren't gone by a long shot, they've just been put on a (slightly) higher shelf to make things that little bit more difficult.

    Usenet is much the same, with all the DMCA bots crawling over indexing sites nowadays it's more difficult, but certainly not impossible to get to what you want.

    The thing is though, we find we don't really re-watch much of the content we downloaded, there were a few exceptions to the rule but for the most part most of what we downloaded was only watched once before eventually being cleaned up. For that reason we've transitioned mostly to streaming services, between Netflix and Amazon most of what I want to watch is covered :D

  • +3

    This must be a troll post!

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