My Son Got Sucked in by Greenpeace

Yesterday afternoon, on only his second day of Uni, my son was approached by a Greenpeace rep. The dude asked my son (Josh) to donate $1. When Josh said he didn't have any money, the dude told him he could donate online and shoved an ipad in his face. Josh was nervous he was going to be late for his lecture and didn't want to be rude, so he signed up for what he thought was $1. Turns out, he signed up for $35 per month. He was definitely misled by the dude. Josh closed his account so they can't take any more money and asked the dude for a refund. Dude said his manager would call. No call so far. I have called Greenpeace directly, emailed and messaged on Facebook, as well as posting on their page. This is what I posted (again and again):

Gonna keep posting this until I get a response. Yesterday afternoon, my son was ambushed by one of your charity muggers and asked to donate $1. When he said he didn't have any cash, he was told he could donate online and he signed up to donate $1. It was not made clear to him that he was actually donating $35 on an ongoing basis. The money has already been deducted from his account. Not informing him of the amount and the frequency of the donations is in clear violation of the Fundraising Appeals Act 1998 PART 2—PROVISIONS APPLYING TO ALL FUNDRAISING APPEALS 7. False statements while seeking donations (1) In conducting or participating in a fundraising appeal, a person must not make or give any representation or oral or written statement in relation to the appeal to another person that misleads or deceives, or that is likely to mislead or deceive— (a) the other person; or (b) anyone else to whom the other person may make, repeat or give the representation or oral or written statement. Penalty: In the case of a corporation, 15 240 penalty units. In any other case, 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months or both. I have emailed and called your organisation about this matter and am looking forward to receiving a refund in a timely manner.

Still waiting on any sort of response from them. I know they have read at least one message on FB. What else can we do?

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Comments

  • +2

    In this instance I think you need to hit them where it hurts - the planet.

    Yeah spamming their facebook page with defiantly hurt their cause, but if you want your message to get accross I think you need to use more serious measures. Use more fossil fuel, oppose any sort of environmental protection they propose, support the development of new coal mines. Also you could flush your plastic bags down the toilet (untold damage to fish and wildlife). Also, stop recycling - and I'm pretty sure they will get the message and take your concerns a bit more seriously. They are also taking an active interest in endangered wildlife, with a bit of research you can probably work out how to directly undermine these efforts - especially when it comes to Australian wildlife. I heard somewhere that moving non-native ducks into native areas is terrible for the environment (I'm not sure who I heard this from probably you need to research it). They also have an environmental hotline that you could continue to call to express your concerns. Once the line is tied up by your legitimate complaint then you can be sure they will refund your money.

    If we dont do something about these people then who knows who will be next to have to pay $35 to these people. And that is something I dont think that we can or should live with.

    • +1

      This is either a poorly drafted and misguided joke post, or you are one seriously disturbed and irrational whacko.

    • +1

      Also you could flush your plastic bags down the toilet (untold damage to fish and wildlife).

      Untold damage to your wallet when you need to call a plumber or whoever takes care of your sewage system.

      I think the best action is to enjoy some minke whale sashimi. Create some jobs and stimulate the whale sashimi demand :)

    • +1

      @tmg316
      Issue is this particular method used by some charities and how people like OP's son are variously coerced and maybe at times actually misled by people motivated by commission (and maybe also just with very little conscience applied when things are going badly). In any case, clearly some dodgy outfits that treat and train them in unconcionable technique, along with returning to charities signed-on an unacceptable percentage of (certainly to any donor if they were to become aware) any funds obtained.

      Competition for the charity dollar is undoubtedly tough, but some methods used now just aren't acceptable and that reflects very badly on the charities involved.
      Includes the relentless solicitation for moar from certain organisations, if/when you choose to donate to them in a more conventional way. Not on.

      Increasingly inclined to just donate money to half-decent buskers and slightly forlorn ones at least trying.
      So, are there any musical links in this thread that may avert further grizzling, by everyone..? No?

      Off top of head, favourite performer that began busking -
      Thanks Youtube, audio distortion notwithstanding
      Far worse things that you could do on a Sunday, than listen to this entire album. Girl can play. Enjoy

  • Dirty tactics from a dirty organisation

  • +1

    I make eye contact and everything with these people, and say hi, only difference is that I don't stop walking. hahaha

  • Poor OP got roasted so much she disabled her account. 🙊🙉🙈

  • +1

    These guys are veryyyy pushy. I remember them well.

    One time I said the same and the girl pulled out a folder with all the banks phone numbers and what buttons to press to skip menus etc to get onto an operator to get all the details you need for them.

    I also hate that the people who work for these charities just do it as a job and don't give anything of themself. You want me to volunteer to your organisation? What do you volunteer to them?!

  • +2

    I hate those guys, been approached by them so many times with the iPads. They won't even take cash if you want to give it to them. I have had arguments with them saying "I would like to donate $20 cash to Greenpeace, here you go, and can I please have a receipt?". Answer is always "no, but you can sign up, it's around $1 a day, it's wonderful". I say that I don't want to sign up for automated donations, but am happy to donate to your cause now with cash. Answer always is "no". I steer clear of that organisation now due to the pressure their people put in you in the street.

    I bet the "$1" that the OP refers to is the "$1 a day" line they always say when they corner you.

    • yea those organisations ain't charities then if they won't accept once off donations lol.

  • God those people and their iPads are so annoying. They have a way of making you feel bad for not wanting to donate, because everyone else has just been SO helpful today! (profanity)

  • For every $35 you donate the person that signed you up gets $5, their manager gets $2.5 and the third party company gets $10. The remaining $17.50 goes to the charity.

  • Im not sure about greenpeacr but these charities are the best form of fraud. 5-10% actual donations and the rest are for management and running costs. Oh and tax free income.

  • I kinda enjoy saying 'nope' to those scumbags.

  • +1

    For the amount it will be a good thing if your son learns how to say no to these sorts of sales tactics, it will be a very valuable lesson indeed.
    Going through all this, it makes me remember when I was trying to do some volunteering and couldn't get opportunities; now when I see the above marketing companies involvement it's no wonder the business model seems to favour those working for commissions mostly.

  • +1

    Reminds me why I always avoid these people in the streets, pushy mofos always trying to strike-up a conversation when all they want is your money. Earbuds blasting music and a polite "no thanks" without listening to what they have to say gets it done for me. No mess, no fuss.

  • +2

    Leave a dead whale on their doorstep

    • +1

      Just cause some people are fat and dont move much, doesnt mean theyre deceased )=

  • +1

    The benefits of being a big, hairy guy; I say "no" and that ends the conversation.

  • Why are Greenpeace hustling at a university in the first place?

    • +1

      because youth, idealism and naivety go together like horse and carriage ?

      • +1

        Love and marriage. I have no idea why I loved that show so much. Maybe it was the song..

        They certainly do go together but Greenpeace should not make kent acts to intentionally hustle cashless uni students into subscriptions! They should subscribe them to working bee's or clean up Australia days etc.. Not $35/month.

        Greenpeace should be hustling at the strippers or down at your local smoko-tobacco-Aldi-liquor-mart.

        Oh wait.. That's where these kids go after class.. Doh!

      • Truest thing ever posted on OzB

  • Most charities are questionable. Make sure you do your research first.

    Those who DON'T KNOW won't say NO.

    Say NO, you are giving me a refund right now. Get this fixed immediately.

  • +5

    Never donate to street charity collectors, less than 10% of the funds go to the charity. It is a lazy mans feelgood. Directly helping those in need, means 100% goes where it is needed. If you want to help Greenpeace, join Greenpeace and do something. If you want to help the Red Cross, donate blood. If you want to help Salvos, give them food, blankets and manpower. Join the SES, Medicine Sans Frontiers, Go to Africa and adopt a family, but lets quit this sinister businesss of creating wealth for those with opportunities and education, by allowing them to profiteer by collecting for the needy. It is perpetuated by peoples need to feel good without exerting themselves or thinking about it at all.

  • Welcome to chuggers. Everyone gets done once, then they learn from it.
    He will know to be more assertive next time.

    I just walk through them, including knocking them over if necessary. They're the ones assaulting me if they come close to touching me.

    Article about chuggers

  • +1

    Greenpeace, communism wrapped in environmentalism. Got to love it.

  • My dumb 21 yr old daughter just signed up to a $48 a month direct debit to a charity WTF. Now trying to get her to ring the bank and cancel it. No idea WTF she was thinking, yes I am very pissed at her for giving her banking details to someone

  • Dont be angry at the Chuggers, be angry at the system and at their employer. The poor kids in the firing line are just footsoldiers, a bit like hating the enemy soldiers when they are just poor conscripts forced into obedient slavery by a corrupt system. In general they would be paid on commission and so they need an immediate commitment. No use to them if you want to go away and think things through or read the T&Cs. They want to put some pressure on you so you are in a position to make uninformed or otherwise poor decisions. If they let you go away and research things chances are you wont come back. Having a pretty girl show an interest in a hormonal teenager or making a 'deal only lasts for the next hour' type deal is designed to put pressure on the buyer and hopefully they will blink and make a bad decision.

    I am always polite to these folks sinvce i have worked in sales myself before. I politely say no thanks. If they are persistent I tell them that I used to work in sales, I have no interest in their product, there is nothing they can say to convince me and their time would be better spent on a more promising sales prospect. normally here they either take the hint or i just ignore them and walk away or hang up the phone. In fairness they are trained to expect that persistence pays off, that they will get best results after 7 or more refusals from a prospect. If they give up easily they will get in trouble from their supervisors. Dont hate the Chugger, hate the system. (BTW I was never a chugger, I sell big services contracts to government departments, not charity donations!)

    • The poor kids in the firing line are just footsoldiers

      No, they are mercenaries.

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