On the weekend i had a family picnic, and got to meet my new nephew, who spent most of the picnic in the car sleeping.
My sister had her phone in the car, with an outbound call to her husband's phone, which was at the picnic table on loudspeaker..
I thought this solution was cool, but was thinking i could get them by way of a present a dedicated baby monitor for the car, any suggestions?
Wut?
Is this a real post OP? Leaving sleeping children in a car outside?
hmm, what's the difference between that and in pram outside?
I dunno, maybe the oven effect? I hopped in the car on Monday, it was 18 degrees outside and a cold wind. Inside the car I put the AC on as it was uncomfortably hot. Leaving a child sleeping in the car while you aren't there is very dangerous.
Having said that, occasionally while our child was still sleeping, they'd get left in the car with us in earshot and the car open (doors and windows) and in the shade.
Your sister is not qualified to be a mother. Sorry
Um … that's dumb.
Yeah, she's a terror, they will let anyone have babies… but anyway, still looking for some good car baby monitors
Don't encourage stupid behaviour.
Have to agree with others. You shouldn't leave a baby in the car. It gets too hot. Even in winter this is a bad idea.
you need a licence for a dog, but anyone can breed…………god help us
you need a licence for a dog,
a licence isn't required in nsw. just pay a registration fee. same as registering a birth.
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/public/dogs-and-cats/information-…
https://www.olg.nsw.gov.au/content/registration-fees
or did you mean breeding dogs? most people don't breed dogs.
There is no such thing as a 'car baby monitor'. As previously suggested, babies left to sleep in cars unattended isn't something to be encouraged.
If the baby is a newborn (which I'm inferring from the description of 'new' nephew), it's recommended that they are not left for long periods in a car seat or capsule.
terrible idea
The most stupid idea ever leaving a baby in the car.
Please dont promote stupidity.
Knew before I'd completed reading the OP we'd get a bunch of judgemental comments assuming the worst from a couple of lines of text. Obviously they're not leaving them in a supermarket carpark in a 40 degree heatwave with the windows up.
I've left children in the car too because it was better/safer. e.g. Hot summer day at a park on a lake, picnic tables have shade, but a huge shady tree 10 meters from table, nice cool breeze coming off the lake blowing across the shady ground and into the two car doors open on one side in full view of the table. Why wouldn't you near a child wake up from such a short distance? Easy: Sausages sizzling on the BBQ.
But some would say it's much better to put them in a pram in the full sun and heat, or on a blanket on the ground where green ants can cover them. What's the difference between sitting in the car in the shade in their car seat, and sitting the pram next to the car? Zero.
Please don't promote nanny-state SJW mentality.
In the OPs post it appears there was no direct line of sight and outside hearing distance; unlike your example.
in full view of the table.
Now re-read OPs post. Both scenarios aren't the same.
No people are not being judgemental, they are voicing common sense. If you feel a baby is best left in a car, then stay in the car with the baby.
If at some point you feel you need a baby monitor then obviously the baby is out of sight.
But if you get a baby monitor for the car - it reinforced the idea that leaving a kid in the car is acceptable. It isn't.
I agree babies shouldn't ever be left unattended in a car.
My wife blew up at me deluxe when I once left mine in the car to pay for petrol; would have literally been under 1 minute as I waited till no one was in line and used pay wave. Was not hot and at night too, I locked the car whilst I went to pay. My wife still did not find it acceptable.
But why can't you just get a normal battery operated baby monitor system? What makes a car so different from a home in terms of baby monitors?
To be honest, that's ridiculous. I'm with you on this one.
So you're meant to get the baby out to walk inside for literally 30 seconds?!
Baby was asleep too, forgot to mention! But apparently (according to my wife) you are not allowed to leave them in the car unattended for any reason? It's the law or you can get fined or something? I do think that it really depends on the situation, but I understand that the grey area would make it difficult to police I suppose; hence the "zero tolerance policy".
Whatever the case, it will always be a controversial issue. I think I read a forum where a single mum said it is ridiculous for her to have to take her 3 or 4? older children out with her to pay for petrol and put them at risk of traffic instead of leaving them in the car for a few minutes.
FYI My wife popped out of the car to run next door to get a few groceries and wanted me to wait till she got back for me to get out and pay; I did not understand/hear her at the time.
I can see you're in Sydney, so under this legislation I would argue it would be fine because
A - The child is fast asleep, &
B - Their health is not likely to be become permanently or temporarily impaired due to the short time you are away and you are in a shaded area under the roof
New South Wales
Legislation: Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) ACT 1998 - Section 231
A person who leaves any child or young person in the person’s care in a motor vehicle without proper supervision for such period or in such circumstances that:
(a) the child or young person becomes or is likely to become emotionally distressed, or
(b) the child’s or young person’s health becomes or is likely to become permanently or temporarily impaired, is guilty of an offence.
In Victoria I'd say it's clearer because the time is not unreasonable for the situation…
Victoria (to be updated 27th Jan, 2015)
Legislation: Children, Youth and Families Act 2005 (Vic). Section 494:- Offence to leave Child unattended
(1) A person who has the control or charge of a child must not leave the child without making reasonable provision for the child's supervision and care for a time which is unreasonable having regard to all the circumstances of the case.
SOURCE: https://www.slatergordon.com.au/blog/unattended-children-get…
It's not just about the car getting hot. It's also not recommended due to the potential correlation with SIDS.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/using-car-seats-more-30…
LOL. So sleeping sitting up in a car seat is a SIDS danger, reduces oxygen levels, etc., but sleeping sitting up in a pram isn't. For goodness sake. They're extrapolating conclusions that don't hold water. They do this kind of twaddle all the time. Years ago they said not to use an adult pillow - use a small pillow special-baby-size. Then they said you should use a tea-tree pillow because if baby turned they could still breath through the open space of the filling. Couple of years on the same maternity ward a new poster now said no pillow. They conveniently forget to tell everyone, if baby can roll face down on a pillow, they can just as easyily roll face down on a mattress. I bet a study would should the main 'danger' of no SIDS research, is scientists receiving no grants.
I think they are specifically referring to newborns. I would say the same principles apply? Who let's their newborn sleep in a pram sitting up or at an angle???
Um, right… So your child is in a stroller, falls asleep… what do you do? Slap them to keep them awake? Anyone that's a parent (that doesn't pass that responsibility off to the other partner or some kind of nanny), would know pushing a baby in a pram/stroller is soothing and often puts them to sleep. That's why you see people standing talking but rocking them back and forth - because sitting still is boring and they scream. Moving - in a pram, car, puts them to sleep.
@GregMonarch: Again, I'm talking about newborns. Do you not know the difference? I am literally pushing my 16 month daughter now to do the exact thing you are talking about. What I do is lower the angle once she's fallen asleep. Not possible in a car seat BTW.
Also, all prams made for newborns (bassinet? prams) are already flat.
Babies do not find it hard to fall asleep whilst stationary due to boredom… Where did you come up with that?
@John Kimble: One type of pram is flat. Many are combination types that have multiple positions.
I've laid a stroller/pram down - and then had a whining, angry, child wake up again. And I know if I sleep lying down I always wake up with a blocked nose - and milk causes mucus - and babies drink milk. So I could produce a study that concludes letting babies sleep lying down is greater SIDS danger than the car seat study, but since they said a certain a certain degree angle, it should be perfectly upright.
We can answer back and forth all day. The fact is people are reading into the OP's post far more than is there. Everyone has heard "don't leave dogs or children in cars". But people seem to think everyone but them lives in a cave and hasn't heard it - so jumps to the conclusion they're leaving the windows up, the car is 200m away, etc.
@GregMonarch: You keep saying "child" when I am referring to "newborns" which is weird. I'm not sure if we are discussing the same issue.
Anyway, agree to disagree then I suppose (although I agree with you on some points). My opinion is the "experts/authorities" have to appeal to the LCD, plus want to avoid any PR issues or liability claims, so hence the blanket zero policy message.
I agree that each situation and baby is different, so in some cases the judgement of the parent(s) should be okay (like in your examples); but again, LCD and recorded near deaths/deaths do make it tricky for legislators because of the headlines.
In the world we live in today would never leave a toddler never mind a new born there are plenty of psychopaths out there
It's not that bad out there. Probably no more proportion of nasty people than there used to be, just more people in general and more media aareness of the problem. Crime rates haven't changed much over the years.
No-one that would go to the length of monitoring their baby with a continuous phone call would have the car out of sight. It's obviously just an opportunity for the 'tsk-tsk' P.C. brigade to repeat what they've been indoctrinated with due to those few fools that left their kids in closed cars, well out of sight and reach, creating a heatwave inside the car.
Many babies don't wake up screaming. They just move their arms and gurgle a bit. So the car could well be right next to them in the first carpark 2m away next to picnic table. One park we often go to is just like that. And even in a park, with each of our children (spanned through several years) right next to us in the pram, people talking, other children running around, even just the noise of the wind - it was difficult to tell when they were awake with the sun-screen pulled forward - we had to flip it back, or bend over and lean in for visual confirmation.
Despite re-reading the OP's post there is no indication the baby is being 'abandoned with no supervision'.
But isn't that the whole point of a baby monitor? To hear/see a baby when you are not nearby? It seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw based on the request alone.
A baby is often further away in distance inside many houses, than the distance between the table and cars at the parks we frequent. One park we go to is quite long but narrow. The car park is say, 300m long, and all the car parks face a log barrier that is 50cm off the ground, with picnic tables 1m away from the log, all the way down the car park. So sitting at the table you're 2 or 3m from the car. Not many houses have baby's room 3m from the kitchen while preparing lunch. You folks needs to find better parks to visit, lol.
@GregMonarch: Yes, I agree the scenarios you describe appear less unreasonable than the low detail OP post.
@John Kimble: Yeah, didn't mean to sound argumentive - I'm just weary how people assume no-one else has heard this stuff, and there's no exceptions, so anyone that does anything like it is evil.
It's like the recent diet thread. The paleo folks' way is definitely right - no, the fasting ones are - no, the eat less exercise more are. When they ALL work, because people are changing whatever they did before. (The first stage of Atkins IS 100% the best way to lose weight quickly though, lol.)
@GregMonarch: I agree, "dieting" is pretty similar to "parenting"; there is no one correct way and everyone has an opinion…
Was she thinking that if it got too hot in the car that the kid would wake up and start crying or say "goddam it's hawt in here!" and they would hear it? No…the kid would go into respiratory failure, he would most likely die quietly.
Were you thinking he/she said they had the windows up, doors closed, car parked 2km away? LOL. From a couple of lines of text, it's amazing the conclusions people draw.
Well you seem to be asserting that the parent hasn't done that which is an equally amazing conclusion.
Generally:
1. If you leave a phone in the car, it would be locked up safe, or within a few steps at best.
2. If you leave a kid in the car it should be open, counteracting the position the car should be locked with the phone in it.
At the end of the day, if you have your kid in the car asleep you should be within a few paces of the car. If that means you are missing out on some of the picnic fun, ask someone to join you next to the car for a conversation until the child wakes up, then return to the picnic - don't look for a baby monitor.
Well it's far less amazing than assuming a parent, who would use such a reliable and immediate method of detecting if baby has woken, is parking the car a few blocks away. And as you've twigged, what person would lock their car up to protect a phone being stolen, but then turn around and not have their car in plain sight, windows open, in order to protect their own child, lol. (The two don't gel: Willing to protect my phone with all my might, but then harm my child with carelessness and indifference.) The fact they are using such a reliable and instant method of detecting if baby is awake shows they're thinking parents, not negligent ones. We've all heard the nagging from the media about dogs and children in cars so it's not likely they're unaware of it. (Heck I haven't watched TV in years and have never read newspapers, yet I still know of it.) So they're obviously adding another layer of safety, not abandoning it.
Is this a real post OP? Leaving sleeping children in a car outside? You joined 11 days ago with only 1 other comment.