Just Signed up for FTTP - Where to Put The Box?

Fergy1987 on 25/05/2017 - 11:07

So I just signed up for FTTP NBN and have the installer coming in June. I am thinking of the location of the box inside the house and wondering what is possible.

So the box outside is installed on the external wall of my garage, and I hear of installers wanting to install the other box on the other side of the external wall…….Clearly I don't want this box or my router in the garage, that seems ridiculous doesn't it?

From what I have seen to install it inside the house they want it close to a power point and potentially near an existing phone port.

My current ADSL setup is located in one of the bedrooms which is used as an office on the other side of the house to the phone box outside, so this is essentially where I wanted to install the FTTP NBN box. My concern is if I sell the house, the NBN box is now in what is potentially a bedroom.

How intrusive are these boxes? Does anyone have this install in a bedroom or office? Any chance I can get a picture to see the size of these boxes.

Also, does the install I want near an existing phone line seem unreasonable and am I going to have to argue and negotiate with the installer to do this?

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  • Savas on 25/05/2017 - 11:22

    Who said they would put it on the other side of the wall? They should be able to drop a line through the ceiling.

  • Dean29 on 25/05/2017 - 11:24

    I have my NTD in the garage. then a data port from next to the NTD into the kitchen where the modem is.

    • Fergy1987 on 25/05/2017 - 11:43

      I think this is what I will end up having to do I guess if they cant put it where I want it.

  • [Deactivated] on 25/05/2017 - 11:28
    -4

    place box between legs

  • scrimshaw on 25/05/2017 - 11:31
    +2

    The boxes (Network termination device plus Battery backup) take up a only a little bit of room. You obviously have to take into account the fact that these boxes flash with lights (but there is a plastic cover that goes on top of the NTD, which conceals the lights)

    On top of the NTD, you will also need to hook it up to your Wifi router, so your setup if done right could look like this. You can wall mount your Wifi router to save even more space.

    As to where you want the NTD, the location is really determined by how easy it is to thread the optic fiber cable through your walls — in my previous home, mine was on the 2nd floor study — optic fiber went through a brick wall outside and then into study via an existing conduit for power socket (gyprock wall is easy to deal with).

    In my existing home, I have double brick veneers which meant it wasn't as easy - the ntd was placed close to the external Fiber spool.

    If you don't mind spending extra money ($300~600 depending on complexity) you could have data ports installed in your home. Do a single port from garage to living room, then put your NTD in the garage instead.

  • entercoolusername on 25/05/2017 - 11:36

    Some pictures and options in the below link.
    https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=75972

    Some more info
    https://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/Guides/nbn-fttp-ever…

    it is quite ugly setup to be in the bedroom, I would install it in the garage.

  • sane on 25/05/2017 - 11:47

    Garage is normal, at least when the house has structured wiring. On mine they go across the width of the house to get to put the NTD in the garage.

    Otherwise, somewhere central (for the Wifi), in the walk in in the master bedroom seems favoured.

  • Fergy1987 on 25/05/2017 - 11:48

    I opted to not go with the Battery back up power so will just be the NTD. I'm hoping they can run it via the existing telecoms cabling and put it on the same wall as where my existing phone port in the study is. Not real keen to have to get a sparky to run a data port.
    My concern with it being in the garage is on a hot day the garage can get quite hot and I thought there were limitations to how much heat these things can withstand.

    I also have no power point in the garage - so that could be an issue? or is the NTD powered through the mains? and only the battery backup is connected to a power point?

    • scrimshaw on 25/05/2017 - 12:03
      +1

      It's powered through your ordinary GPO… general power outlet. You must have a socket.

      So garage is no go?

  • Shame on 25/05/2017 - 12:07
    • Near a powerpoint
    • Somewhere central so you get the best wifi reception in your house. Bias towards the living room area if you can.
    • Out of sight as the flashing lights are ugly. In a cupboard is a good place.
    • Above fridge height if you can- again for the best wifi reception
    • Axelstrife on 25/05/2017 - 13:20

      doesn't matter how high as you can place your router anywhere with a long enough Ethernet cable.

  • tebbybabes on 25/05/2017 - 12:16

    Mine is in the garage as well. Since the techs installing these usually have multiple jobs lined up for the day, there's very little reason for them to agree to do install it in some place that will require a lot of futzing around multiple floors or ceilings and walls and what not.

    In my case, since I wanted my Wifi router in a more centrally located and higher point of the house, after the NTD was wired in, I had ethernet cables installed to my ideal spot to the router…. Since I had the cabler at my place anyway, I also had him hardware ethernet cables to multiple parts of the house from that central location. Now the only devices that hook up to my internet wirelessly are the actual portable devices. Everything else is hardwired via ethernet.

    • Fergy1987 on 25/05/2017 - 12:22

      Out of curiosity if you don't mind, how much did that set you back to have that installed - I figure I would do the same if I have to and just get ports in each room that has a PC.

      • tebbybabes on 25/05/2017 - 13:03

        I certainly don't mind, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find the invoice. I can only tell you that off the top of my head, it was in the sub $300 mark. That was for a total of 4 runs of cable. Did everything in one day, but he had to come back because he forgot to put conduit for one run.

        All the patch cables to the devices, I just made up myself.

        BTW, just like @raytriplej - the installers used the adhesive backed fiber. I thought it was an incredibly clever idea to have something like that. It cut installation time and didn't look half bad at all!

  • raytriplej on 25/05/2017 - 12:25

    I ran conduit to an internal wall where I wanted it (I am an electrician), and then the installers said they have a fibre with a sticky back (like a post-it) that they can quickly install in the roof cavity without conduit. They did use my conduit in the end.

    Also I ordered without battery backup unit to make it more visually acceptable, and you can't use a computer when the power is off anyway.

    More than willing to send some pics if you want.

    • Fergy1987 on 25/05/2017 - 12:30

      That would be great just to get an idea on wall space.

    • ESEMCE on 25/05/2017 - 13:25

      you can't use a computer when the power is off anyway

      You don't currently (or plan to) own a laptop or a tablet?

      I think not adding battery backup is a silly move.
      Life sucks enough when the power is out, why live without Internet, especially at such a small insurance cost?

      • scrimshaw on 25/05/2017 - 14:16

        When the power is out, your networks will be down anyway.

        The battery is for people with landlines and to ensure the phone works during blackouts. The battery won't power your local LAN networks and the devices attached (routers and laptops).

        • ESEMCE on 25/05/2017 - 14:32

          I have my modem on a UPS…
          It'll be up for as long as the batteries in the node can maintain sync.

      • raytriplej on 26/05/2017 - 12:34

        When my power is down I am usually trying to sort torches/candles or bundling the kids in the car to head out of the house. And for the rare times that it happens I can use mobile phone data if desperate.

        Given that it is a standby battery it will eventually fail and need replacement.

  • [Deactivated] on 25/05/2017 - 13:39

    it's definitely worth getting another power point installed ( at ur own cost) at the ideal place for where u would like the unit installed. box measurements are roughly 195mm x 235mm

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