A Cautionary Tale of NBN Nonsense

Yet another NBN story. Thought it was worth sharing because I was told false information from them (via Telstra) and overall feel for anyone going through issues with them right now. I know my problem isn't as bad as some out there though.

Tldr: drop out issue, four months duration, was first told it was due to the ongoing roll out and then it was due to my wiring. Resolved by NBN Co fixing a loose wire at the node… Telstra waived the bills.

The details:

It started March, not long after getting connected. Got up to 12 short drop outs per day.

29/3, Telstra put me on a "stability" mode. No difference.

8/4, Telstra sent new modem. No difference.

24/4, Telstra technician site visit. No issue with their side or my configuration.

6/6, Telstra try to close my complaint. They advise the drop outs will continue until the NBN roll out is complete in my area. They offered a $190 credit and will not offer an ongoing reduction of monthly price in compensation for drop outs. I decline offer and launch a TIO complaint.

13/6, Telstra contact me about ombudsman complaint and tell me NBN did a site visit (on 6/6 interestingly) and advised they detected a 18m "bridge tap" inside my house. Telstra couldn't really explain what this meant, other than I had multiple phone line connections, which I explained is incorrect. I have a single plug. They advised NBN could tell this from the street. They told me I need to hire a contractor to remove the bridge tap at my cost and couldn't promise to cover it if this didn't resolve the issue.

15/6, I called Telstra back and refused to get a contractor out. I said they should fix the problem, not me. They didn't agree and ended up giving me NBN phone number which I didn't use as the next day Telstra called back saying NBN Co would be coming out and I needed to be there. Was quite strange as there was no prior discussion about this, perhaps they took some advice.

27/6, NBN tech came, nothing wrong in property. He checked the node. The jumper for my house has exposed loose wires. He even showed me a photo. He fixed and said this was no doubt the cause of the problem. Instant stats increase (slightly better line speeds). Since then not a single drop out!

3/7, Through some negotiation, Telstra agree to waive bills from March ($380).

Telstra were quite poor throughout this, as expected. I must have spent a full day all up on the phone with them (spread out over months) and worked from home two days. They don't seem to advocate for their customers at all with NBN and their staff seem to know very little about the technology they are talking about. They just blindly read off their screens. Thankfully they were good enough to reimburse me for the trouble, other companies wouldn't be.

Although it's hard to know the full picture as an end user, but it seems like NBN Co are the real muppets in all of this. Perhaps they are even trying to mislead customers to close cases by putting clearly false information in their responses? Who knows what they would gain from doing that long term. There are people out there who would just go hire a contractor when told to do so, and in this case it was absolutely the wrong thing to do. They are clearly showing no ownership to their own network, without any care if customers are having a good experience.

If you're currently fighting them, good luck. I almost gave up a few times and glad I didn't now. Finger crossed the connection remains stable! I also recommend you go to the TIO. It didn't change how Telstra dealt with me, but it ensures all of the complaints are recorded and hopefully the government will get an indication on the complete cluster fudge that's going on right now!

Edit:
Just to clarify what I mean by drop out. Modem was loosing connection to Telsta, so total loss of connection. Usually the connection would resume within a few mins.

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Comments

  • +2

    It sounds to me like NBN are either understaffed or it costs too much to get them to pay a contractor to fix line faults, so that's why you had to deal with Telstra's 'script readers' first to try to resolve the issue (which of course takes a while before your issue escalates into one that only NBN technicians can fix).

    • Yes, perhaps. I think they said NBN did close one or two of Telstras complaints as "there is no issue".

  • +1

    I heard that nbn Co is full of people doing not much works but get very high salaries.

    • +1

      coffee

    • It wouldn't surprise me.

    • +1

      Nope. Salary is not exactly high but a lot of people being promoted to important roles for the wrong reasons (i.e friends rather than ability). This is causing the skilled support staff to jump ship, leaving only the idiots being managed by other idiots.

      • +2

        So exactly what happened within telstra the last 20 years ?

        • Not exactly the last 20 years, was going on long before that.

          I worked for the PMG/Telecom Australia for 21 years Left in 1988 when they had a staff of 93,000 people.

          A good 50% of those 93,000 were, as you put it - "idiots being managed by other idiots." Sadly it was why I had to leave. I couldn't stand it any longer. My boss at the time was a shocker, but he got his just desserts a couple of years later when someone finally woke up and fired him.

  • +2

    Interesting how it took a month to send an on-site technician. We started experiencing dropouts last Thursday, called Optus yesterday and they immediately sent out a technician today.

    Not once did they pass the blame to "NBN roll-outs;" was diagnosed as faulty street wiring.

    • Yeah that is a much better experience you had. I certainly think Telsta dropped the ball in how they managed the relationship.

  • -1

    Why should we even adopt NBN technology when we have a better wireless option, with 5G on the horizon? It wont take long for more data to become available.

    • +2

      Because wireless gets congested far quicker compared to fibre (which is why fixed wireless is only used in small towns), and you can easily add more backhaul to fibre to remedy capacity issues.

      • That sounds valid. I suppose I was also thinking about the fact that it seems we are moving towards an always connected, always online attitude. And with IOT and VR it just makes sense to be wireless. TBH I actually feel a bit of resentment towards the NBN for making me wait so long, and also stopping me from using ADSL 2 in the mean time.

  • +1

    Thanks for sharing- I am due to get NBN within the next couple of months and hopefully your story helps others.

    • No worries. Good luck hopefully you'll have a stress-free install!

  • +1

    Cheapskate nbn sub contractors …rush jobs…. give me all your money…

  • +1

    It's unfortunate that the number of dodgy subcontractors at Visionstream outnumber the legitimate ones. Normally it's a case of one contractor deeming it to be "too hard" and hand balling it to the next crew.

  • +1

    Sounds like your on FTTN?

    Did you vote for crabott? Well you're getting what you voted for!

    • Yeah FTTN. I certainly didn't vote for Abbot. But fttn wasn't the culprit here. Although it's shit though.

      • +2

        It kinda was. The loose wiring is uniquely a copper (or FTTN/VDSL) issue. Along with the periodic dropouts when wiring is dodgy, usually related to moisture/rain/humidity.

        • Yes but had the jumper connection at the node not been done incorrectly, the connection wouldn't have been faulty. This was just shoddy workmanship. I live only 100m away, get great speeds. Not a fan of FTTN as this actual issue couldn't have occurred with FTTP. I guess had it been installed correctly, no issued. But it highlights there are more points of failure with FTTN.

      • +1

        Well thats good to hear (about the voting), bugger about FTTN and the issues then!

  • -1

    The problem you complain about could have also happened back with adsl and also with fttp… nothing to bleat about.
    Move on.

    • +1

      Perhaps you missed my point. Others may have "moved on" as you say, prior to resolving the issue, accepting a dodgy resolution. I'm trying to warn people of the absolute crap I got from the NBN on two occasions.

  • +1

    Thanks for sharing. I am getting NBN soon, will keep your story in mind if I start getting issue with drop out.

    • Good luck, certainly I have read about others who had multiple phone sockets with old wiring that did impact their speed, but not with drop outs.

  • +1

    Don't worry…

    Telstra & NBN Co.

    Are both on MY naughty List, come 25th Dec.

    • Haha… As are for many others I'm sure :)

  • on a side note, sadly your experience with telstra is all to common for all sorts of faults within their network and when they tell you nbn co blame your cabling in your residence you are listening to someone who is taught to lie, telstras policy as all network providers is to point the blame elsewhere. i am not batting for nbn co, they could easily be as bad at owning faults as telstra i just dont deal with nbn co first hand. i do deal with telstra weekly for all types of faults within their network and the best day of the week they are still full of sh!te. defer blame at all costs and the staff handling the phone call for faults is in a third world country reading out of the manual supplied. they no nothing about the telstra network. the only time i get to deal with a person in Australia on their help desk if its a corporate customer, then i get to deal with a more polished liar but they still know jack about their network, its amazing how many of their staff on the technical side lnow jack as well, many of the staff that they send out to deal with faults are genuinely incompetent and will close a fault as no fault found knowing they would be very unlikely to get the same address again next time you log a fault.

    • Interesting! When they told me the two false resolutions, they claimed this was just reading what the NBN Co had told them. It's rather hard to know who to believe as a customer!

      I must say, their Telsta technician was excellent though.

  • +1

    if you got a good technician that makes all the difference,as he can fix the fault.
    the catch is they are on the endangered list and for every good one there are 99+ duds that range from lazy to useless.

    • as he can fix the fault

      I take it there are no female technicians?

      Or if there are, none of them are "good".

      • i cant say there are not female technicians, i based that line on personal experience. i have only been in the industry as a contractor since 1991 and i have not met one yet. when i worked for telecom pre 1991 they trained some females along with some aboriginals, i only ever worked with two of them and they both ended up taking promotions into the office quite quickly.

  • OP, I'm interested in what you exactly mean by "dropout"? Note, I'm not with Telstra.
    I am experiencing random periods where I can't get to any websites for about 5 minutes, and Telecube can't diagnose the issue. My "dropouts" happen a couple of times a week. The modem is still showing sync and it "looks" to the browser like a DNS issue. I've tried using different DNS and not a fix. I'm wondering if I have the same issue as you? Also, sometimes I notice the modem is saying my supposed 25/5 max speed is actually more like 10/3 or even as low as 6/3. If I reboot the modem I get back to 25/5 but its annoying.

    • Hi, actual disconnections for short periods - less than a few mins. I.e. if you log into the router the link is down.

      I've updated the topic to reflect this to help others.

      Sounds like you problem is a bit different to mine. Good luck!

      • +1

        Ok, thanks for that. Agree, sounds different.

  • +1

    Sadly thats not all there is to dodgy telecommunications contractors. I had a box of tools go missing from my laundry near the MDF on the day the contractor came to my property "unannounced" ho hum. I knew exactly when he was here because my internet went off for a few minutes. All this for a slow line speed (adsl2+) issue that had already been identified as "congestion" at the exchange. They kindly sent me a bill for $220 which I challenged and also took to the TIO. Eventually they reversed the charge but still out of pocket with the stolen tools.

  • I think I'm going through the same bridge tap problem. I was with Iftelecom for years with DSL and constantly had problems. I'm now with Vodafone for my NBN and it's constantly dropping out completely several times a day. Vodafone reset a few things said should be fixed but no. The last time I called they told me I need to pay an electrician to remove the bridge tap. I do have phone outlets in 3 rooms but only use one. I've tried moving the modem from my bedroom to the kitchen thinking it may be the first connection in the line therefore stronger signal but no change. I got an electrician who never heard of a bridge tap and said I need an electrician with specific qualifications which I can't remember. So I don't really know what to do next

  • The other interesting thing is that when I had the DSL a Telstra technician came over about 3 times to apparently fix the phone line. They spent around 20 minutes down the side of my house so I obviously thought the phone connection had to be there but couple of weeks ago, when I had the electrician here to find the bridge tap, there is no sine of any phone connection/box. We guessed it must be in the ceiling/roof. So if that's the case, what the hell were the Telstra guys fixing? So confused!

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