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acceptable n speed modem router VOIP gateway [not g] for iinet naked dsl

Candour on 13/11/2010 - 13:31

netgear wndr3700 costs $160 on static ice. Best reviewed on http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/component/option,com_wireless…
Q1:- should I just buy from their supplier or can I get better price?

do not want belkin;
would take a cheaper modem router which does the job but not sure if it will be value for money.
don't want draft n.

Q2:- is there another router with 3G too?
problem I found very few good review sites in Oz and had to google US sites.

can get it for US$144 localised for US but feel safer with australian supplier.
netgear on site do not show this gateway.

happy to consider cheaper options if they are good too.
eg http://www.engeniustech.com/resources/ESR-9850_DataSheet.pdf

but iinet claim that they may not be able to connect some modems.
they know Dlink, netgear.
they want you to use their Belkin G and thei Bob is $$ 269 or 369 and reviewed as not the best by cnet.com.au

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scrimshaw on 13/11/2010 - 19:32

+1

Ever considered the Billion 7800N? Has great reviews on WP and Editor's Choice on Cnet as well:

http://www.cnet.com.au/billion-bipac-7800n-339300492.htm

A little pricey at $160.
Cheaper alternative is the 7300n.

Here is a list of ADSL2+ modems that support 3G (Australian seller)

http://www.ozcableguy.com/routers.asp?manufacturer=&model=&a…

They're all quite expensive though.
- Candour on 13/11/2010 - 21:31
  
  I thank you sir. I saw billion and read reviews on it. iinet claim they might not be able to config routers other than netger or dlink but will try. so I was wary.
  it seems that netgear wndr3700 might just be a modem without a router?
  I thought that for <$100 it might be better to buy a rated wireless router and modem with voip and 3G to cover my bets and have a 300n modem. Billion 7402GXL does not have voip ports which are essential as I am on iinet's naked dsl for the voip as much as the adsl2+ which I don't use more than 30Gb at the best of times. also it is G not N and the speeds will be a drag soon as tech goes past G?
  I think N is best [not draft N] for the future and not G.
  then adsl2+ and VOIP is essential too.
  3G would be a bonus though I have not used mobile broadband because of its costs and I am retired at home anyway.
  
  would appreciate specific suggestion on best value for money G draft N and N with prices so i can weigh up the cost benefits.
  not techie yet. just new geek with other skills.
  retired.
  
  or will contact cable guy on monday, thanks.
- Candour on 13/11/2010 - 21:45
  
  Billion 7404VGPX 4 Port 802.11G Wireless Router with ADSL Modem, Ethernet WAN Port, USB 3G modem support & VoIP (2 x FXS + 1 x FXO)
  http://www.ozcableguy.com/review.asp?router=7404VGPX&model=B…
  Price: $176.00 -seems cheap for all the specs.
  hope the install is easy for me and for iinet.
  seems to cover all bases.
  Rating: 3 1/2 *
  wireless is G. liveable as I really only have 1 more PC and 1 laptop extra only in a small townhouse and hope it might work this time.
  last time a 'friend' charged me for a sprint wireless which would not work. through double brick walls in the small townhouse.
  
  Hardware Features Wireless Features
  Built-in Modem Wireless 802.11g
  ADSL2/2+ Capability (for modems only) Removable Antenna - Q4 GOOD IF I DO NOT USE WIRELESS?
  
  WAN Ports - 1 3G Capable - USB USB LAN Port/s Other Features 10/100 LAN Port/s - 4 UPnP Support Gigabit LAN Port/s - 0 Internet Sharing
  
  COMPARED WITH THE BELKIN WIRED VOIP THEY LENT ME SEEMS BETTER. THAT IS A G TOO.
  IINET'S BOB SEEMS TO BE A DRAFT N WITH POSSIBLY LESS FEATURES THAN THIS ONE.
  I HOPE THE INSTALLATION IS EASY ENOUGH FOR THEIR TECHS.
  
  Q1: no gigabit lan port? is that not as good as having one?
  
  USB Print Server QoS
  Parallel Port Print Server DynDNS Client
  Dialup/ISDN Failover Warranty - 2
  USB Storage
  FXO Ports for VoIP - 1
  FXS Ports for VoIP - 2
  
  Q2 seems good to ahve 2 VOIP ports.
  
  Security Features
  NAT Security
  
  Manufacturer's specifications
  
  SPI Firewall
  
  Manufacturer support
  Content Filtering (Parental control)
  
  Whirlpool Wiki
  
  Whirlpool Forum Search
  VPN Features
  IPSec VPN Endpoints - 0
  PPtP VPN Endpoints - 0
  
  Q3 IINET USES PPoA AND PPoE. IS THIS RELEVANT?
  
  Supports VPN passthrough (single session only)
- Candour on 13/11/2010 - 21:47
  
  http://au.billion.com/support.php#3g
  NOT SURE WHY THERE IS A LIST OF 3g CARDS. IF THIS ROUTER IS 3G COMPATIBLE, DO i HAVE TO BUY A CARD AND NOT A MODEM? IS THAT THE BENEFIT?
- Candour on 13/11/2010 - 21:52
  
  http://au.billion.com/downloads/Spec%20Comparison-Billion%20…
  ONLY 7404VNPX AND VNOX SEEM TO SUPPORT VOIP
- Candour on 14/11/2010 - 15:09
  
  does this support my voip on naked dsl with iinet?
  the spec sheet from billion http://au.billion.com/product/datasheet/new/BiPAC-7800N-AU.p…
  
  and their VOIP tab http://au.billion.com/product/voip.php#Residential
  suggest this is not a VOIP phone.
  sorry for the basic Qs.
  not sure what difference is between 7800N and NL
- Candour on 15/11/2010 - 12:45
  
  sorry I was looking for ADSL2+ VOIP and 300N with optional [gigabit] and on another post someone told me I needed another bit as well:
  
  The Billion 7800N = $162 MSY
  The MVA11A = $68 staticice
  
  Total = $230 for decent gear
  
  is this the best value for money option I should do for VOIP + ADSL2+ 300N +router+modem with iinet's naked dsl [instead of the belkin ones which cnet does not like]:
  quoted advice from the other thread on cheap broadband router :
  
  Now Billion 7800N -> Gigabit Ethernet, Wireless N (300N), ADSL2+ (doesn’t have voip that why I suggest MVA11A)
  
  MVA11A -> Voip
  
  So all the one you wanted is in the combo and well the setup is simple and not that hard to setup. Indeed all-in-one is less hassle but is not decent, so rather have decent > all-in-one.
  - Mikinoz on 15/11/2010 - 12:53
    
    Stop wasting all our time and get what the isp recommends, its obvious with the requirements you have their probably isnt something on the market that will suit you.
    
    No offense but you are spinning your wheels on the Ozbargain front lawn
    - Candour on 15/11/2010 - 13:03
      
      sorry but you never answered my totally ignorant questions.
      It seems now that billion would not have fit the bill.
      I wastrying to clarify this as it seemed your answer did not meet the basic requirements I was after.
      I am sorry you feel this way. I have politely asked you for information and you endorsed scrimshaw's suggestion which now seems an incomplete solution.
      you did not give half a recommendation yourself.
      no offense.
      such advice cannot help a total newbie who wants to find something better when he had to educate himself incompletely and quickly on this router query.
      I only asked for advice which turned out to be incomplete and needed another person and ozcable guy to confirm that billion by itself would not give me what I needed at the minimum.
      I am sorry you did not give me any separate advice but have taken it this way.
Mikinoz on 13/11/2010 - 21:46

+1

I think you are misunderstanding something , you do need a modem and router in one the link you provided for the wndr3700 is a comparison for wireless which wont effect VOIP

firstly , the wndr3700 is a router and not a modem , you need both its just easier that way

Second most ISP's only have tech for support old / slow modem/routers so its hard to get a new relatively cheap router and have them support it. The will easily be able to guide you through the setup on any modern router!

I would buy the receommended modem router from Scrimshaws recommendation!

Otherwise the Netgear DGN2000 is good for upwards of 100.00
Candour on 13/11/2010 - 22:05

THANK YOU SIR. I AM LEARNING AS I GO ALONG THAT WNDR3700 IS NOT A GATEWAY [NOT MODEM]
2. THANKS FOR THE INSIDE INFOR ON LAZY ISPs! GOOD TO KNOW AS IINET WERE CAUTIOUS TO WARN ME THAT IF THEY COULD NOT THEN I WOULD BE STUCK!
READ THE CNET REVIEW. WHERE IS WP WEBSITE REVIEW? I THINK IT MIGHT COVER THE ADSL2+ AND VOIP AND ROUTER PARTS. PROBABLY NOT 3G AS NOT ON THE OZCABLE LIST?
THE SMALLNETBUILDER REVIEWS IMPRESSED ME MORE THAN CNET THOUGH I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TECH AS YET. THEY DID NOT SEEM TO COVER BILLION - WHY?
- Mikinoz on 13/11/2010 - 22:25
  
  +1
  
  Now worries, please note capital letters means your shouting ;)
- scrimshaw on 14/11/2010 - 00:49
  
  +1
  
  Where is WP website review?
  
  From all the comments about the 7800n, all you have to do is to perform a site search, like this:
  http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/?action=threads_search&…
  
  Q3 IINET USES PPoA AND PPoE. IS THIS RELEVANT?
  
  All modem routers support that protocol nowadays.
  
  You should also whim Quentin if you have any questions about networking hardware. He's a vendor for Billion and a few other products so he knows what's best :)
StewBalls on 14/11/2010 - 02:32

+1

+1 for Billion! My Open Networks 824RLW is a rebadged Billion 7404VGP, it's been a solid workhorse for a couple of years now! My house is full double brick & there's nowhere I don't have decent signal, and I can even take a laptop out into the shed & use it! Prior to this was a Billion 7100, also rock solid…I only threw it out the other day coz nobody I know was still using ADSL, otherwise it was still powering on! ;)

As scrimshaw has said, there's a substantial user/support base out there for Billion gear, many of whom are Aussies; so setup & ongoing maintenance should be no hassle! :)
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 08:09

thank you all kind folks. I found whirlpool hard to get the info I got from say, cent or smallnetbuilder and will set up a/c again to whim Quentin.
the billion does not have PPOA as iinet uses that too?
my final question then is what is the best value for money router which will give me 300N, adsl2+, voip, modem router, and 3G. what is the benefit of 3G as it seems I ahve to buy cards from mobile suppliers anyway?
I am a newbie geek. will not use capitals in future if not relevant.
- Mikinoz on 14/11/2010 - 08:41
  
  If you have adsl2+ then you dont need 3g
  
  3g is connecting to the mobile network for internet
  
  Adsl2+ uses the landline and is soo much faster (normally)
  - Candour on 14/11/2010 - 10:50
    
    I understand. but if i want to use adsl2+ at home and have a 3G modem as well built in is that advantageous in one package or possible?
    is there one modem which has all these?
    - Mikinoz on 14/11/2010 - 10:53
      
      +2
      
      Yes possible but pointless, unless you are a business to have it for redundancy. Which depending on who you choose ie IINET you probably wont need it
      
      I have adsl 2+ and a usb modem for backup if needed, and its never needed really
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 11:18

thank you. then which would be the best value for money adsl2+ modem router with 300N and VOIP?
I could not recognise some modem routers were in fact not VOIP.
- Mikinoz on 14/11/2010 - 11:28
  
  If this is your first time setting up VOIP and you are only relying on ISP help then get what they recommend, that way the setup wont be a problem.
  
  If you want to save some money have a look at the Billion website choose your router and then check static ice for the best price, and check whirlpool forums for help.
  - Candour on 14/11/2010 - 11:45
    
    thank you. will get iinet to help.
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 13:48

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ADSL-ADSL2-VOIP-Wireless-Modem-Router…

came across this at cheap price. will this fulfill most of my needs?
forget 3G.

expect this to be better than belkin routers and bob which iinet offers.
- Mikinoz on 14/11/2010 - 14:03
  
  +2
  
  i would go belkin over this and i hate belkin networking stuff
  
  You want something to be reliable right ? Just get the Billion and stop procrastinating :)
  - Candour on 14/11/2010 - 14:46
    
    sorry! totally ignorant so stabbing in the dark!
    will get billions and hope iinet wonn't have problems installing this!
    thank you!
    - StewBalls on 14/11/2010 - 14:58
      
      +1
      
      If anybody at iinet has trouble helping you set up a Billion with the wealth of support options available to them, then that person really needs to consider a new line of work! :p
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 14:43

http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h714f.htm
draytek seems better with N [not G] link summarises specs.
http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h714g.htm
this link shows it better than others in test in UK at the time.
http://www.dsl-warehouse.com.au/p/vigor2500v - this link gives features.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370438…
ebay price is $40+25=$65. [used]
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 15:13

Mr Stew Balls,
will let iinet know if they give me problems!
- StewBalls on 14/11/2010 - 15:21
  
  Yeah, if they hassle you too much, get the name & we'll get them put on the show "Bully Beatdown" too; Mayhem Miller will pummel 'em for you! ;)
Candour on 14/11/2010 - 17:17

they are nice but not necessarily the most informed
Mikinoz on 15/11/2010 - 13:14

Yes your questions were answered, you didnt understand the answer

Billion would easily fit the bill, then you decide to add another requirement

Clarify okay but you seem to keep choosing a different path and dont seem to be getting closer to a resolution

Personally i dont care i do support all day, although i do like to solve problem this is why i find you frustrating

The basic requirements you are after , combined with the support and your technical skill probably will cause more pain than gain ie you want everything in one yet dont seem to have the capability to support it yet dont want want the isp recommends

Do you see my point yet ?

Look i dont mean to offend you, this is a forum ie free support , man up take the plunge and welcome to the networking age my friend.
Candour on 15/11/2010 - 13:36
how can billion fit the bill? I asked for a modem router. there is no other term on websites. I wanted a modem 2+, a router whatever that was, and VOIP. maybe I did not communicate it to you all well. I am totally ignorant. so shoot me for not making myself clear.

what other requirement did I add? VOIP was never addressed in answers. then I found the hard way that billion does not do VOIP.

actually I was trying to let you know you did not understand my basic needs. not keep choosing a different path but try to make sense of an answer which did not meet my basic requirements. I did some reading as well to let you know I was busy trying to learn about these things. so shoot me.

4 sorry you find me frustrating. I found IT frustrating, not you, when obviously you did not understand a newbie's needs. and did not clarify the basics I was after.

I came to you because I do not have the capability but do not want to remain a mug. you have not given me specific constructive advice still which meets my need for a simple combo [gateway? all-in one?].
your final advice for me to go with iinet's mediocre offering really begs the question why you bothered to help me when you still have not given me ANY tangible suggestions which meet my needs and which iinet will comfortably be able to install.
I do not mean to offend you…
- Mikinoz on 15/11/2010 - 13:42
  
  The reason i recommended you to the IInet offering is that way , they can support you . Which you obviously require for the complexity you are tyring to install in a device
  
  You dont need to put yourself down ie the ignorant stuff being a mug etc, i dont beleive you are ignorant actually you are probably an expert in your field and now are trying to take on the internet & voip as another challenge, i see nothing wrong with that.
  
  It seems you are after a specific advice, the advice you can get here is general, this being my point
  
  Totally agree with the frustrating it thing , but it has come a long way to be slightly more user friendly
  - Candour on 15/11/2010 - 13:51
    
    I am not putting myself down.
    just clarifying clearly that I ask because I know even less than you assume.
    but am willing to try.
    
    “Totally agree with the frustrating it thing , but it has come a long way to be slightly more user friendly”
    I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
    “sorry you find me frustrating. I found IT frustrating, not you,”
    I was trying to say that rather than personalise it I found the situation we are in frustrating.
    not YOU but IT.
    you still don’t get what I am after.
    iinet have a cheap gateway product in belkin or bob.
    is there ONE device which would be better or best for me?
    which I could buy and iinet could try to install without hassles?
    if this is too much to ask this forum, then I am sorry.
    - ozhunter on 15/11/2010 - 21:49
      
      +1
      
      iinet say they only support products they sell, they might also help you set up your modem/router even if they don't provide technical support. That's why people are suggesting you buy it from them, so they can help you set it up.
      
      I'd go with the billion 7800N and the MVA11A(VOIP) as puchipucca suggested, but don't complain if iinet won't help you set it up. You can't expect them to know everything about all the different equipment out there.
      
      If you want less hassle with setting it up, get it from iinet.
    - scrimshaw on 15/11/2010 - 23:47
      
      +1
      
      I'm sure if you go into the iinet forum on whirlpool there should be a rep there to answer your questions about modem compatibility.
      
      There are already people using Billion 7800n's on iinet, seems there shouldn't be any trouble.
      
      I really don't understand what you are fretting about.
    - StewBalls on 16/11/2010 - 00:09
      
      ^^ I agree with these guys, the best value for money option for you ATM is the 7800N and MVA11A combo!
      
      That said, would you be confident setting up the two devices working in unison? From your comments it sounds like that may not necessarily be the case! You're clearly no fool, so I have no doubt you could get yourself up to speed on this tech, but the big questions you've gotta ask yourself are do you have the time & do you need the hassle? ;)
      
      If the answer to Q1 &/or Q2 is no, then an all in one solution like the Billion 7404VNPX OR VNOX (which will probably cost you an extra $60 or so) might assist you somewhat; but failing that as ozhunter suggests then the solution offered by your ISP who will then have to support it might be more feasible at this time! Hope this helps! :)
Candour on 15/11/2010 - 13:49

trying to delete this comment but won't let me!
- Candour on 16/11/2010 - 09:17
  
  stewballs, ozhunter and scrimshaw I thank you for your relevant appropriate feedback. I like Scrimshaw's comment on billion on iinet. at 60 I am realistic about my lack of IT skills beyond seat of the pants. iinet will try. stew ball's comment on any reasonable person being able to install is also reassuring. iinet might be hypercautious so they are not liable for the remote possibility they cannot install unsupported hardware.
  
  I have been in touch with iinet throughout and in fact with them since 2006. they all said they would TRY, without prejudice.
  being a cautious guy I wanted to get info from you all on this feasible project. I have lots of frustrating experience interacting with acer support, MSN when vista failed, and win 7 would not install, and previous ISPs I used. so I think I can work with iinet on what should be a simple install. I only worried about the chance that the suggestions might be too hard for them, leaving me with devices they could not connect.
  
  I thank all of you for you assitance. I went off track when Mikinoz did not address my issues and posted in another thread. Thank you scrimsshaw for pointing out this inappropriateness.
  
  I will go with the router VOIP combos all in one gateway, after speaking to iinet just now and being advised that in the remote possibility I could not use the Billion +MVA now or later, it would be easier for me to gow tih billion all in one.
  
  thanks guys.
  I thought I should reply to posters comprehensively. In future I will keep my posts shorter.
  
  I have found
  - Mikinoz on 16/11/2010 - 14:06
    
    +1
    
    I addressed your issue , although i wasnt meaning the technical part i addressed your lack of experience in the area required you to get something they recommend which you did anyway.
    
    So actually i was right and my advice was spot on, you just didnt want to listen or think about it, so next time be patient and listen to what these young tackers have to say …..
    - Candour on 16/11/2010 - 14:30
      
      you did not. my issue was technical. your addressing my lack of experience was gratuitous.
      you did not listen to what I wrote and i found it hard to get through I had to go to another thread.
      but with your smug attitude I cannot argue with you.
Candour on 16/11/2010 - 13:08

netgear DG834GV W'LESS MODEM/ROUTER WITH VOIP DG834GV INTEGRATED ADSL+2 WIRELESS MODEM ROUTER ALL-IN-ONE VOIP GATEWAY INCL. SUPPORT FOR MYNETFON GOTALK/BROADBAND PHONE/OZEFONE DIGITAL Buy Online
spoke to iinet. they told me not to get billion as it was harder to set up and they had supported netgear. $95 seems good for now.
I really don't wan't to be at cutting edge of tech, just value for money point near it.
- StewBalls on 16/11/2010 - 13:58
  
  +1
  
  WTF??? You told us all it had to be wireless-N! Your words - "[not g]" & "don’t want draft n"!!!
  
  Now you've decided a G router is good enough for you…talk about wasting everyone's time!
  - Mikinoz on 16/11/2010 - 14:02
    
    +1
    
    lol god what a pain in the ass, a polite pain though :)
    - Candour on 16/11/2010 - 14:31
      
      -1
      
      you were a bigger pain.
      but i put up with you.
      when you could not help.
      don't interfere in future when you have nothing useful to add, except put downs.
  - Candour on 16/11/2010 - 14:25
    
    -1
    
    iinet told me to get it.
    you all told me to go with their option.
    give me a break.
    their advice was comprehensive and included their ability to support it.
    the price difference is $200.
    also I can only go by what I am learning and reading.
    - StewBalls on 16/11/2010 - 14:36
      
      -1
      
      Remember when I said "You’re clearly no fool"? I was wrong! :p
      
      Not for your decision, but for your attitude!
Mikinoz on 16/11/2010 - 15:11

Pecca lets be clear , you asked us a community for advice, i as a member advised you , using my own time

All you have done is ignore the advice that was given and then take over someone elses post, no matter who gave you advice, sure they were different but each one would have solved your problem to some degreee.

Personally i have no malice towards you and i do everything with a sense of humour, that is until someone pisses me off which you are getting close to .

Now that you realise you know little to nought about technology i wouldnt go pissing off peole who actually no something. i dont mean to threaten you in anyway just give you advice, as it sounds like if you have a problem you will do the same thing to iinet.

I have a few friends who work there and know they are going to have a field day with you , wish you both the best of luck !
- Candour on 16/11/2010 - 16:53
  
  you did not give me advice. scrimshaw did. your interference forced me to go to another post. actually I missed your self professed good humour. you came across as smug and your comments did not add value to the advice I was getting. I don't need someone telling me to listen to scrimshaw.
  I knew I did not know anything. that is why I came here.
  you have not shown anything you know except how to take offence when your unasked for advice forces the advisee to go somewhere else in desperation.
  if you really support, you could have clarified my needs better than scrimshaw. otherwise you have wasted my time, forget yours.
  Actually iinet staff do not have field days with newbies. they might give good advice but they are not patronising or simmering good humoured volcanoes.
  - Mikinoz on 16/11/2010 - 17:49
    
    Your right i am not a phsycotherapist, i could not give you the advice you needed.
    
    Field days with newbies lol , now you praise the staff you were complaining about previously
    
    The line i enjoyed most is "your interference forced me to go to another post" so now its me that made you interfere with someone else? interesting way to think!
    
    Well you have just about bored me…. and i would say you have just about done the same for others that have tried to help , luckily you pay iinet to listen to you !
    - Candour on 16/11/2010 - 18:17
      
      you gave no constructive advice. you interfered.
      I went to iinet again after your interference, not objectivity.
      I like the way you laugh at others. glad your good humour is resotored and the other side hidden again.
      you have iritated me throughout.
      get a life. help sincerely. don't patronise.
      I rate this request a negative experience and am glad you do not work for iinet.
Davo1111 on 16/11/2010 - 15:11

+2

calm down all please
- StewBalls on 16/11/2010 - 15:15
  
  +2
  
  Watch yourself Davo, that red minus ain't too far away to be clicked bro! ;)
neil on 16/11/2010 - 19:56

+4

OK, as this has become a slinging match, going to close this thread.

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