ARRESTED- 2 iPhone X Sold, Fake Westpac Bank Receipt, No Payment Received, Reported to Police and What's Next?

Lccvonlineoz on 10/01/2018 - 23:48
Last edited 20/01/2018 - 21:57 by 1 other user

5pm 18/01/2018. My boy has been arrested and I am now with POLICE. I will upload what I have done to see him again very soon, all about HUNTING and FISHING

Taking Money back is not guaranteed as per officer however i am relieved.

An iPhone X Award - Please contact me.

This is a fraud which just happened to me. It has already happened and I will make it very short compared to 3 pages in my Police Report.

Please comment if you have a solution for me.

It was a very last day of 2017, I had two brand new iPhone X for sale on Facebook. A guy approached me via facebook messenger not too long after, I ended up with a deal of $3370 for 2 phones and he will see me a day after.

He has rescheduled a couple of times and told me to meet him after lunch time. He asked me to give him my bank details and will make a transfer. A bank receipt (screen capture) has been sent to my mobile number and it looks genuine with correct.

I met him at a bank where I was doing banking, I took him to my car and gave him 2 phones. He kept telling me it would take 24 hours to receive the payment as my account was a new account.

Westpac confirmed that payment didn't go through. Payment is never received and there was another guy picking up his number and told me he has gone back to India. Facebook account has been closed.

What I have:

  • Real Name : Mod: Removed Personal Information

  • Location: Parramatta, NSW.

  • Profile pictures and a couple of his friends, family members.
  • The mobile number was used to contact me.
  • A confirmation the mobile number owner is Mod: Removed Personal Information, telstra Network.
  • Text messages.

  • Fake banking receipt probably showing his account number where he transferred from.
    Mod: Removed Personal Information

  • I think that bank and a real estate agent where I parked my car and gave 2 phones to him have footage.

  • Reported to police.

If anyone can help to recover loss, I would appreciate and give away one of those phones.
Thank you

UPDATE 20/01: If anyone was victim, please contact me to grab Police contact to sort things out.

UPDATE 13/01: A member PM asking to help me with his own website.
UPDATE: I have been given a couple of valuable messages.
UPDATE: I was told, Police has looked into the person with a name Mod: Removed Personal Information

This post has turned into a witch hunt. Fine to discuss but leave personal information out of it. Please leave the police to investigate.

Financial

Comments

    • stonkered on 12/01/2018 - 15:51

      Could be the guy answering the phone is the same guy who ripped off OP.

  • CyberMurning on 11/01/2018 - 08:30
    -3

    This is all because of iPhone x fault. Why x and not 9 after 8? I'm confused.

    • Quantumcat on 11/01/2018 - 08:43
      +6

      Copying Windows I guess? (Had 10 after 8)

      • dcep on 11/01/2018 - 12:24
        +1

        iphone's 10th anniversary

    • dcep on 11/01/2018 - 12:29
      +1

      they're too slow to hit 9 before their 10th anniversary

    • garetz on 12/01/2018 - 18:19

      Because apples and oranges, and apples cant count.

    • Antikythera on 13/01/2018 - 01:11

      because 7 8 9

    • H32k on 14/01/2018 - 23:54

      well they wanted to release a "big" leap in phone design. What sounds more grand… iPhone 9 or iPhone X. Pretty sure its just marketing strats

  • sitdowndisco on 11/01/2018 - 08:34

    I’d be pursuing it for sure. I’d call the number again and plead with the guy for help. If you can meet that guy face to face, you have a chance.

    • CyberMurning on 11/01/2018 - 09:06

      ^ this. and of course:

      BIKIES

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 10:09

      I think they are on the same boat and never pick the phone again.

      • hetzjagd on 12/01/2018 - 16:40
        +1

        If it ever rings, the number is in use for something and they will presumably eventually answer either private number or new numbers. You can try calling them for free (using wifi connection) using the app Sudo although your numbers will appear international but those guys are possibly a little more use to accepting calls from foreign numbers than other people. I believe there are other ways to call from different numbers for free or low cost, possibly Skype but I never use it myself.

        If you get through to anyone on that number tell them you aren't going to give up and that if they will return the phones or the equivalent value of money then you will not go to the police - you just don't want to be out of pocket. SUPER LONG shot but if it were me I wouldn't give up. You will stress yourself out with hope but you're probably already a bit stressed about the loss so I say go for it.

  • foxmulder on 11/01/2018 - 10:16
    +2

    Surely a very difficult situation you have there. I personally lost much more lending money to a friend who has now no longer contactable and never pay me back. Take it as a very expensive learning lesson and move on.

    And yes you should have the payment clear first in your bank account before doing anything. The way you handled it usually ok for low value item.

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 10:38

      Thanks for your comment. I feel like I was still lucky.

      • bobbified on 11/01/2018 - 11:11
        +2

        I feel like I was still lucky.

        You still feel lucky after this?? haha

        • Steptoe on 11/01/2018 - 12:24
          +1

          Well, did you get 2 iPhone X for 🎄?

        • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 12:29

          @Steptoe: I have one and my brother has one.

  • pyramid on 11/01/2018 - 12:28
    +1

    yeah put his name and fb profile etc here and see if anyone can help.

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 12:34

      Real name and facebook submitted. Thanks for that.

      • dust on 11/01/2018 - 14:18

        Link doesn't work. Possible he's reading this thread right now and has deactivated his account?

        • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 15:18
          +1

          He closed facebook a day after.

  • foxmulder on 11/01/2018 - 15:05
    +1

    Someone answering his phone should be somewhat related to the guy don't you think? Police should do some location check for clue.

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 17:44

      Yes, you are right. I have had a conversation with this guy and pretty sure he has same accent and made up a story.

      • pyramid on 11/01/2018 - 19:56

        Call him and ask other guy about his name etc…let's find them.

      • stonkered on 12/01/2018 - 15:56

        Could be the same guy?

  • follow on 11/01/2018 - 15:21
    +4

    Mate you have plenty of info. It may take a bit of time, but, if all info is accurate:

    1. Go to electoral office and search for his name or his family member's. Grab his address.

    2. Confront him at his property (if he's still there). You may want to try to get police involved. If he doesn't answer, move on to the next step.

    Optional: if he's there and ignoring you, park outside his house and just sit there for a long and pester him. I wouldn't suggest it.

    1. Send him a letter of demand via post (include tracking and signature on delivery)

    2. If he gives in, fair game. If not, lodge an application at small claims court.

    3. Wait for your court/mediation date.

    4. Assuming you win, by default or other, proceed with a garnish of his bank accounts. You can apply for this in court without him there.

    5. Go to the bank and hand them the form. They process it. Finished.

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 15:28

      Great. Thanks for your comment. What can i do if he is an international student.

      • follow on 11/01/2018 - 15:33

        Tough one. I ANAL so I'd recommend talking to legal aid

        • lgacb08 on 11/01/2018 - 20:47
          +2

          and he can just borrow any of his friend's passport to sneak back to the country and claim Australia racist to avoid deportation.

        • Suspect420 on 12/01/2018 - 05:58
          +7

          You anal alone or with someone else usually?

        • SydStrand on 12/01/2018 - 11:41

          @lgacb08: ooohh, deep cut

        • follow on 12/01/2018 - 11:55
          +1

          @lgacb08: ummm ok. That really works

        • follow on 12/01/2018 - 11:55

          @Suspect420: depends on the thread

        • stonkered on 12/01/2018 - 15:59
          +1

          We all like anal mate but we should still try to answer the question.

        • tryingtohelp on 12/01/2018 - 16:01

          @lgacb08: not possible

        • lgacb08 on 12/01/2018 - 16:14

          @tryingtohelp: looks like you're not updated enough, here's a recent one.

        • stonkered on 12/01/2018 - 17:53
          +1

          @stonkered:

          Another neg entered in to my ANALS of history.

      • T-man on 11/01/2018 - 21:26
        +8

        Please also report his information to immigration so that they can stop him at the airport or don’t let him come back this country.

        • follow on 12/01/2018 - 11:59
          +1

          Can they do that though? Isn't this still a case of 'allegedly'?

          Back in my younger days, I was on holiday in Malaysia. Long story short, I lost my room fob key. Instead of deducting the cost of the fob key, they took the whole bond and refused to refund. So, in the heat of the moment, decided that the bond could be put to work, instead of in their pockets. Person texted me from the airport saying they'll stop me from ever coming back to Malaysia. Hasn't happened.

        • SnoozeAndLose on 12/01/2018 - 16:05

          @ZubatRingo:

          If it is done by police with court order, it is possible.

          I doubt police will waste time on yhis.

        • witsa on 12/01/2018 - 20:48

          @ZubatRingo:

          what does put to work mean?

        • nismo on 13/01/2018 - 11:12

          @witsa:
          "put to work"
          He means use the money for something else, eg put it into an account and earn interest or simply spend it.

    • bobbified on 11/01/2018 - 18:59

      Go to electoral office and search for his name or his family member's. Grab his address.

      The electoral roll is a common tool used by private investigators, but there'd almost be a zero chance of locating him via the electoral roll, especially if he has a common name.

      Also, if he is an international student or isn't a citizen, he won't even be on there.

    • BartholemewH on 12/01/2018 - 22:58
      1. Watch as he pleads hardship and only has to pay you $2.40 a fortnight.
      • BartholemewH on 12/01/2018 - 22:59

        Haha OzB automatically changes my 6. to 1.

  • smashed on 11/01/2018 - 15:31
    +4

    Why did you have 2 x iPhone X brand new as Xmas Presents? One is usually a stretch.

    Was the facebook profile fake? Do you still have a list of any friends on his account? I would suspect that you can track him down if you try hard.

  • Rifraf on 11/01/2018 - 16:12
    +18

    In god we trust,
    All others pay cash

    • dealman on 12/01/2018 - 14:31
      +2

      Hey op, can you show us the link to the actual Facebook or Gumtree advertisement that was posted?

  • gogo1234 on 11/01/2018 - 19:17

    Hmm common scam - a bank transfer can actually be canceled within 24h. So the screen shot was probably legit and you may have had a record that it was waiting to clear on you account and then…bam.

    • marbles on 11/01/2018 - 20:27

      I don't know that a retail bank customer can actually cancel a payment. The fraudster could attempt to claim a mistaken payment but there are well defined rules the banks follow in those cases.

      • follow on 11/01/2018 - 20:36
        +1

        Yep you can't cancel a payment. Once payment goes through and you want 💰 back, unless your account was accessed without authorisation, it's impossible to get without cooperation of other party

    • [Deactivated] on 12/01/2018 - 14:27
      +1

      a bank transfer can actually be canceled within 24h

      Any legitimate sources for back up on this one?

  • smuggler on 11/01/2018 - 19:39

    How on earth do people fall for crap like this?

    Why do you even have two iphone X? lol

    • imahapyboy on 12/01/2018 - 20:32

      agreed, he is stupid, pay for the lesson

    • nismo on 13/01/2018 - 11:30

      Easy come, easy go.

  • echelon6 on 11/01/2018 - 21:21
    -8

    He disabled his facebook account so strangers like me can't have a look and find more data in the hopes of doxxing him.

    Anyway say someone does dox him for you - what will you do? Will you walk up to his address and say hi? Will you use the info to initiate a small claims proceeding? this costs money and time and may not be fruitful.

    All you can do at this point is move on, live and learn. Don't trust people. See this as a higher force transferring a bit of value from the rich(er) to the poor(er) (why do you even have 2 iphone X's? the poor indian international student needs it more than you.)

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 22:00
      +3

      Agree and disagree. Agree that it costs time to go further. Disagree that having 2 iPhone means I am rich or richer than anyone.

      • echelon6 on 14/01/2018 - 21:29
        -2

        If you categorise people in the situation of having 2 iphone X's somehow, and also categorise people shopping on gumtree for second hand phones, the first category would be richer than the second category on an empirical level, wouldn't you agree? May or may not be the case at the individual level, but it's an empirical statement I made. Anyway, wealth transfers are good, I support them.

        • ccvonlineoz on 14/01/2018 - 22:10

          "shopping on gumtree for second hand phones" is not correct so I wouldn't agree.

  • T-man on 11/01/2018 - 21:31
    +2

    Tag this post to Narendra Modi on Facebook and ask him if he can help to find this guy or his followers can help you to identify this guy quickly. Personally, I believe in the power of social networks and I don’t think the police can help.

      • T-man on 12/01/2018 - 00:03

        OP has his photo, a man with this name matches the photo. If it is in China, they can find the person with a photo in a minute.

        • Munki on 12/01/2018 - 14:03

          The human flesh search is very real.

    • IMadeYouReadThis on 12/01/2018 - 11:24
      +2

      Tag this post to Narendra Modi on Facebook

      Lol, seriously.

    • GS83 on 12/01/2018 - 17:08

      Actually tagging to Sushma Swaraj is much better. She is our foreign minister and her team quickly responds to Indians in distress around the globe.

    • Curiouscat on 14/01/2018 - 11:56

      How about tagging Mr Turnbull, Mr Zuckerberg and Mr Cook as well?!

      If you want OP to waste time, he should be waste it more.

      On a serious note, a police report with a request to take up with Dept of immigration might be of some practical help.

      ACORN might have some jurisdiction as transaction receipt was fraudulent.

  • Viru on 11/01/2018 - 21:32
    +15

    Sorry to hear this incident. I hope this is a learning lesson for you. From the name and photo it looks like he is from Gujarat / Maharashtra region of India. From his photo looks like he is an international student. You have mentioned that he is living in Parramatta, NSW. From his surname, age and location I would say he might be visiting Swaminarayan temple in Harris Park, NSW or Sri Mandir in Auburn, NSW. You may try your luck there. Go there, meet the management and explain your problem. If he is a regular visitor there then someone definitely know him and would be able to help.

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 21:55

      Your information is so valuable. I will think of this way as I need to invest much more time. Thanks a lot.

    • Suspect420 on 12/01/2018 - 12:39
      +4

      Religious people steal?

      I'll be damned

  • jlogic on 11/01/2018 - 21:34
    +2

    If you want to do something like this I always ask for the deposit to be made with you at the bank over the counter and you verify the payment is clear.

    Also for iPhones I will always register them under your iCloud even if you advertise new in box, as a buyer I would still turn it on to make sure it is activated and someone just re shrinkwrapped it again. This for protection of the seller and buyer. Don’t clear the phone until money is clear in your account. Then remove find my iphone protection and hand over the phones.

    Too many scammers nowadays.

  • berger on 11/01/2018 - 22:07
    +10

    Why don’t you advertise phones again maybe just one, same area, use a diff name, maybe a friend and different number.. lure him out.. set a trap!

    It’s not a once off for this guy, they will strike again

    • Suspect420 on 12/01/2018 - 12:41
      +4

      Perfect idea.

      And then kidnap them and tie them to a tree in Parramatta park.

      Magpies would have so much fun with all that hair!!!

    • ccvonlineoz on 12/01/2018 - 16:45

      Thanks for this suggest.

  • dlakers3peat on 11/01/2018 - 22:27
    +3

    Cash is king in this scenario. I recently sold an iPhone x and met them inside the bank and they paid cash. Any problems cctv everywhere.

    Seriously I cannot fathom why you would hand over the goods unless you could see the funds in your account, receipt or not.

    • stonkered on 13/01/2018 - 08:00

      Almost so stupid that its hard to GAS.

  • Apple10 on 11/01/2018 - 22:50
    +7

    Here is how the scam trick works:

    • They entered all your details as with normal bank transfer
    • The trick is , they set the transfer date to sometime in the future
    • After that he showed you the (scheduled transfer)receipt, makes you think he transferred already.
    • After he got your phone, he simply cancelled this scheduled transfer

    Sorry but your iphones are lost forever.
    Hope this helps. Always cash or payment cleared first.

    • andyken on 12/01/2018 - 10:14

      but if you see the image, the date was on 29th and the scheduled payment date was 29th too, so it was a same day

    • Apple10 on 12/01/2018 - 10:16
      +2

      Update: Just saw the bank receipt

      I was right. The payment date is called "scheduled payment date".
      Scheduled payment won't be sent immediately even though it was set on the same day (29/12).
      Therefore he simply showed you the receipt then cancelled the payment.
      In other words money was never transferred into your account.

  • pyramid on 11/01/2018 - 22:51

    Does his mobile number ending with 4137?

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 23:31

      No, 0583 at the end.

  • pyramid on 11/01/2018 - 22:55
    +1

    Can you post here "FAKE" bank receipt?

    • ccvonlineoz on 11/01/2018 - 23:32
      +1

      I can, will do it tomorrow.

    • ccvonlineoz on 12/01/2018 - 09:38
      +1

      Bank receipt uploaded.

  • Topdog on 11/01/2018 - 23:01

    Police wont do anything unfortunately. They have already moved on.

  • smartazz104 on 11/01/2018 - 23:07
    +1

    He kept telling me it would take 24 hours to receive the payment as my account was a new account.

    You gave him the phones without having the money in your account first?

  • sleepingpanda on 11/01/2018 - 23:11
    +1

    Sold a new IPhone 8 today, made sure only payment method was cash and met the seller at a bank as well. Sure having only cash as a payment method can reduce the amount of enquiries on your item, but (usually) its more set than bank transfer. But yeah if bank transfer is the only way, make sure its been cleared into your account before even handing the phone over. (even then still risky if the buyer contacts the bank to reverse the transfer)

  • centrelink on 11/01/2018 - 23:40
    +1

    I would say the best way is to dox him as hard as you can and then confront him at his own house if you ever find his address. Maybe someone on whirlpool would leak his address secretly to you if they work within the government (eg: Medicare or something), happened years ago and someone managed to leaked the scammers address where they confronted and asked for money back which they got.

    I believe you turning up will put a lot of pressure on them even if you ask politely to get it back face to face at their house of stay

    • ccvonlineoz on 12/01/2018 - 07:27

      Whirlpool is a good idea. Thanks.

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