How Reasonable Is It to Expect to Negotiate on Newly Released Cars? (i30 N)

yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 20:20
Last edited 10/04/2018 - 02:08 by 1 other user

Have been waiting for the i30 N for a while and managed to see it in person today. Though I'm not totally swayed by it just yet, i'll definitely go back for another look at another dealer tomorrow. (I want to check out the GTI too)

The dealer, as expected, said that demand/interest is quite high so there isnt any room for negotiating. So he mentioned that even if i were to put an order down today, it would likely be a 6 month wait.

Even if it were not true, i can understand the rationale behind not wanting to let it go for anything less (or not much less) than the sticker price upon release.

If this were any other new car that had been out for some time, I'd certainly not be paying the sticker price — but for a just newly released car, is that ok to expect? Or would you expect similar wiggle room as any other new car?

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  • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2018 - 20:32
    -3

    get a VW Golf GTI

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    • locknuts on 09/04/2018 - 21:17

      Thought you were trolling but come to think of it, you would get a cracker of a deal on a GTI compared to an i30 N right now. Nicer plastics too.

      • yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 21:21

        i've yet to see the GTI, but it wouldnt surprise me to find out when i see it.

        i've a couple of friends with golfs and even the non-GTI's have very nice interiors.

        I compared the i30n and the SR premium side-by-side today and to be honest, in terms of interiors, there's not much between them which was disappointing.

        • kahn on 09/04/2018 - 21:47
          +1

          You're not buying the N for a nice interior, you're buying it for the performance.

        • yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 21:54

          @kahn: i don't disagree with you, but that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

          The context of my comment was that even a GTI (which is its competition) has both performance AND a nice interior.

          While I'm not buying a performance car FOR a nice interior, i also want to get as much as my dollar can get.

        • kahn on 09/04/2018 - 22:00

          @spo22a:
          Sure, I understand completely, but the internet has pictures and descriptions of both the N and SR, so there should be no surprises. You should know that the only real difference is the performance and you might even be foregoing some features that I can't recall right now like maybe adaptive cruise control and possibly parking assistance and a sunroof(?).

        • yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 22:11

          @kahn: sure. Again, don't disagree with you one bit.

          But i wasnt surprised at all.

        • kahn on 09/04/2018 - 22:24

          @spo22a:
          Ah, gotcha. Not surprised but disappointed. I think the interior is good enough for the price and the performance is better than what you'd expect for the price. Personally, what puts me off all the i30 cars is the look of the rear. The look of the rear door in particular is just bad. I know it's not quite as bad as the Honda Civic type R, but it's still ugly.

        • yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 22:31

          @kahn: yeah it's the bang for your buck that im most attracted to.

          Plus 5 year warranty is nothing to be scoffed at compared to 3 from VW.

          I havent checked running/servicing costs but i rkn the Hyundai would come out on top compared to the VW.

          One big question mark is the resale value. My understanding is that GTI's hold their value comparatively well? The i30 N however, who knows.

        • kahn on 09/04/2018 - 22:50

          @spo22a:
          That's a tough one. Maybe the i30n will become an iconic car, but not for its looks! Very hard to judge, so I'd recommend not thinking too much about it. Just try to look after the interior and exterior and have it regularly serviced.

          Were you set on a particular colour and getting some sort of paint protection?

        • yeahnah-nahyeah on 10/04/2018 - 12:04

          @kahn: nah not really (altho probably not the performance blue aka "baby blue").

          i doubt it will be an iconic car, but hey, who knows… i do think hyundai is on the up and up though. The question is how far

      • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2018 - 06:10

        Yeah, you might even negotiate the price down to the ame as the Hyundai, and get an underpowered, underperforming car in comparison.

  • oscargamer on 09/04/2018 - 20:41
    +1

    Supply and demand.
    I reckon you will have zero chance of getting anything more than mats and a tank of fuel for free for the rrp for a while.

  • locknuts on 09/04/2018 - 20:57

    Check with a broker. I got my Polo GTI via a Remserve lease and their broker got it drive away for $29300 despite it being in high demand at the time. Brokers have contacts all over the country. Mine got sent up from Melbourne to Brisbane.

  • stirlo on 09/04/2018 - 20:59

    I think the other key point is it’s not a “normal” car but a newly realeased sports model. People hang out for these way more than just an everyday driver and the dealer knows that. Maybe just consider paying RRP as the coolness tax for being one of the first guys in the country to have one. Hopefully you get to show t off enough to make it worth your while :)

      • CMH on 11/04/2018 - 13:06
        +2

        Nobody cares about your GTI that every other hairdresser in Australia owns.

  • Azrael169 on 09/04/2018 - 21:04
    +1

    If they have a backlog of orders you are not going to be able to get much movement on price. If they (and everyone else) has stock then you have the ability to negotiate

  • sandman87 on 09/04/2018 - 21:12
    +1

    Odds are slim. I'd wait a while. Waiting also has the added benefit of seeing whether theres any problems with the model.

  • yeahnah-nahyeah on 09/04/2018 - 21:33

    Just for people's interest (cos i have seen a few posts here and there by people who are keen on the i30n)

    • apparently there are 80 coming in the next 3 - 6 months, 50 have already been allocated to pre-orders.
    • it was $1000 deposit for a test-drive and an automatic $3000 charge if you damage the car (e.g. scuff the rims). The 3k would come off if you decide to go ahead and purchase. I didnt take it for drive (i didnt have the time to, let alone look at the test-drive agreement)
    • the dealer, who has been designated a "i30n specialist", hasnt even taken it for a drive yet, in fact, he's not allowed to (he was also mystified as to how he can be called an i30n specialist without even having driven it). He said it was Hyundai's confidence that it will sell and also due to limited supply — so the fewer people drive it the better.
    • i sat in a fully optioned i30n in black.
    • The dealer did turn the engine on. The exhaust sounds amazing
    • the interior really doesnt look all that impressive, very similar to the SR premium
    • spackbace on 09/04/2018 - 23:16

      $1000 deposit for a Hyundai? Wtf?

      We don't require that for a $130k Cruiser. Didn't ask for that in ~300kw Commodores

      • sandman87 on 10/04/2018 - 09:36

        They do it to build a sense of desirability and exclusivity. You can find a LandCruiser or a HSV Commodore almost anywhere

        • spackbace on 10/04/2018 - 10:20

          I daresay if you go into another dealer, they won't be pulling that shit.

          The only time I've heard of a deposit being taken before test drive was for a W427 HSV. Very limited edition and $150,000+.

          This is just this dealer's way of avoiding joy riders. Go elsewhere, I guarantee you get a demo.

          As to the salespeople and managers not driving this car, or having a drive day - load of bs, never heard of that. This car is built to be driven, and needs that passion about the drive coming over from the sales team. If they drove it, they'd be excited, they'd help you be excited.

          Go elsewhere, you'll get a demo, guaranteed.

        • yeahnah-nahyeah on 10/04/2018 - 14:48

          @Spackbace: nah went to another dealer today, same result — 1k deposit to show you're serious about buying. According to this dealer, each Hyundai only receives one i30n and so they're not willing to let tire kickers have a go (i.e. the one they have is the one they are intending to sell). So they dont have one set aside for test-drives.

          Although he recognises this makes it harder to make a sale, again, they're quite confident that their limited supply will be sold to those who really want it anyway.

          He was quite nice about it and genuinely was apologetic about it actually.

    • Henray on 10/04/2018 - 00:45
      +2

      My local dealer in NSW has been able to take the i30N for a drive. Hyundai had a recent track day for their dealerships. Sounds a bit strange what your dealer is saying.

    • terrys on 10/04/2018 - 09:08

      "He said it was Hyundai's confidence that it will sell and also due to limited supply"

      The "limited supply" would put me off. For a hand-built such as a Ferrari, Rolls Royce, De Lorean and the like that maybe expected. For something like a Hyundi it's in the same box as "SALE MUST END THIS WEEK!!! [we have another next week] and "LIMITED PRODUCTION" [there is only so much material available on the planet].

  • SydStrand on 09/04/2018 - 22:28
    +1

    Very little chance of discount. If there's plenty of interest and stock is allocated, the dealer has no incentive to discount when there are others willing to pay full price. Maybe they'd throw in some extras like mats, a slim plate, or fuel to get your deposit today, but I'd be impressed if you got anything more.

  • farknos on 10/04/2018 - 07:33
    +2

    if there is no room for negotiation and a 6 month wait if you order today, why not wait 6 months with your money in the bank and have a look then, probably be able to discount off the lot by then.

    • smoothymcmellow on 10/04/2018 - 10:45

      This is good advice if it is actually a 6 month wait

      Friend of mine pre-ordered a Toyota 86, they kept delaying his build/ship date.

      Ended up getting a dealer demo one months before his would arrive, even managed to get his pre-order deposit back.

      One reason I didn't pre-order a Tesla 3, wait for the cancellations and also wait for proper reviews before committing!

  • HeWhoKnows on 10/04/2018 - 09:05
    +1

    Entirely up to you.
    Remember they want to get the new model out there so be brave.
    All salemen have targets and probably higher for new models

  • Slippage on 10/04/2018 - 13:33

    I'd say you have little room to play, but you should definitely speak to other dealers, out of the area.

    The last car i bought new, we bought from a dealer ~2 hours away and was ~$5k cheaper than the local dealer.

  • eggles01 on 10/04/2018 - 16:21
    -1

    try it they cannot put in jail for asking

  • Kapinny on 10/04/2018 - 20:45

    are u dead set on a hot hatch?

  • kennykinglam on 08/01/2019 - 21:04

    @spo22a How did you go with the discount? Pretty keen on the i30N myself.

    Cheers

    • Circly on 05/03/2019 - 23:06

      How did you go @kennykinglam? lol

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