Need Advice on Consumer Laws (Sofa Doesn't Fit through Door)

we purchased a sofa with chaise in late January this year and were told that the order is made in China and then shipped to Australia. as it was around CNY period, we were supposed to wait for 12 weeks (with due date as 1st of May). after long wait, we received a call saying that the order will be delayed by another 2 weeks which we were ok with (obviously bit unhappy about it but there was not much choice anyway as they mentioned it was still within store policy).
finally we got the delivery today and there was a BIG surprise. the sofa came in 2 boxes. one of the piece (i believe sofa with backrest) was unexpectedly large in size (likely because they didn't make it detachable for the backrest and the seating cushions) and couldn't get through our main door or even another alternate door (our unit is on the ground level and i believe our door should be adhering to Australian standards). unfortunately, we had to return the delivery. while ordering, we were told that it will be delivered in disassembled state and should be very easy to assemble. however, we were not told the dimensions of the boxes.

now that we can not proceed with that lounge, i asked for a refund. the merchant is now saying that we may potentially loose 50% as the sofa was made-to-order and special orders can not be cancelled or will potentially attract heavy cancellation charges. the invoice says it as a "special order" which we did not pay much attention to as the invoice doesn't say anything about 50% cancellation fees but only points to their policy on website. when i told the merchant that we didn't request any customizations, he said that we chose a different color for the fabric which classifies our order as "custom made order". although, the color we selected was different than the display piece but it wasn't some special color of the fabric we requested just the lighter shade (one of the options available for that fabric). in my opinion, special order should be more like material customizations such as swapping the armrest or adding extra seat to the sofa itself or requesting any special type of fabric. simply choosing 1 of the available colors should not classify it as special order. interestingly, the same color we chose is displayed on their website now

what are the odds that the merchant can get away with 50% of our money just because we signed an invoice which says "special order" and according to their refund policy on website, special orders can not be cancelled or may attract upto 50% fees. i spoke to fair trading and they think that the size of the boxes was not disclosed and "silence" on this material fact should be sufficient enough for us to pursue this matter further with the merchant but the merchant is clearly refusing full refund as it is a special / custom order from his point of view or as per invoice signed by me.

based on the feedback so far:
we did ensure that the dimensions displayed on the display unit were something that can easily fit in our living room. its easy to say in the hindsight that we should have checked the box size too but given that our unit is on the ground level, we have managed to get deliveries of other large items like our existing 3 seater sofa, mattress etc through the same door, it was not something that we thought would be the blocking factor. lesson learned for future transactions for sure but here we are now.

let me ask some specific questions:
1) is simply choosing 1 of the available colors of the fabric, make it a "special order"?
2) the invoice does say if you sign this invoice, you agree to our terms and conditions on our website but the real question is can the store simply put fineprint on the website and get customer to sign the invoice at the time of purchase invoice itself does not indicate anything about 50% cancellation fees on special/ custom orders on the invoice.
3) should they not indicate box sizes alongwith actual dimensions of the assembled unit?
4) are they misguiding customer by saying that it comes in disassembled state and assembly should be easy but one of the piece is not detachable and turns out to be a blocking factor.
5) while going through the website policy, they also indicate that delay of 2 weeks or more should be compensated with 5% of invoice amount but when we received the call, they said 2 week delay is within policy. can we claim this 5% to reduce our damage to 45% in worst case?

would appreciate expert's opinion in this regard and explore various options accordingly.

Comments

  • +8

    Forget all the run around, get someone to remove a window/sliding door off so you can get the couch in.

    Simpler

    • appreciate your out of the box thinking :)

      • +1

        Have you removed the piece from the box? Such is the shape of a couch/seat, you can normally 'hook' it around a doorway provided you have turning space.

        So while the box might not get in the door, the piece inside probably could with the right manoeuvring.

        • i wasn't physically present at the time of delivery but my wife was at home and she mentioned the delivery guys tried quite hard with no luck. hence we sent it back with original packaging in-tact. the problem with opening the box is i need to be 100% sure that it will make it through otherwise its going to be a even worse as then it would be sitting either in our garage or maybe on ozbargain ;) i have asked the store manager about the actual dimensions of the box to see how big it is and surprisingly he doesn't have that info available either. the box dimensions are only with the warehouse folks so will only hear from them in a day or two hopefully. thanks for the suggestion, will keep that on mind depending on what the warehouse folks come back with.

  • +7

    TLDR - couch in box won't fit through door, want full refund. As it is a special order, seller offered only partial refund as per written policy.

  • +10

    Erm, why don't you take it out of the box?

  • +4

    How do you feel about capital letters?

  • +1

    I'm not sure and am not a lawyer but I don't know what leg you have to stand on here.
    I'm unsure how the box size changes things? Couldn't you take it out the box and fit it through the doors or windows? If not, are you saying that you bought the couch without knowing what size it would be and whether it would fit in your doors and windows?

    I'm asking this because it sounds like you bought something and you received the item you paid for, whether it fits in your house or not. Again I'm not a lawyer but I think refunds can only be given if there was an issue with the couch, if it was broken, torn, wrong colour, wrong size etc then no problems there, take it all the way!
    But if its exactly as ordered, I don't /think/ you can get your money back at all from that, and I assume the 50 percent is more of a store policy or them helping out then it is a law thing?

    Would love to be wrong, but unless I'm missing something, not too sure if a refund is that easy of an avenue.

    • We did ensure we have ample space inside the house. But we weren't told the box size in particular and the fact they mentioned it comes in disassembled state i didn't think it could be an issue. I wonder how many people would ask for box dimensions while buying a sofa when they say it comes in flat pack and is going to be delivered directly.

      • +6

        Like other people are asking, why can't you take it out of the box to try to fit it in?

        • if we were to accept the delivery and open the box, then damages would be even worse. if the piece is not detachable there is really no point in trying to push it through the door. they already broke some of the decorative items on the sidewall while attempting to push it through. the delivery guy said there is not much packing so what you see is what you have inside. we thought that by returning the delivery with original packaging, they can potentially sell it as floor stock and the damages to both parties could be minimised. thatswhy we ended up returning the delivery as is.

        • +1

          @ameyas7: you should have asked what would happen if you returned it before returning it so you could make an informed decision, rather than assume. It's on you I'm afraid - first you assumed the package dimensions then you assumed you'd get a refund.

        • @Quantumcat: the delivery guy won't wait more than few minutes which is certainly justified from his perspective. so i had to take an instant call either accept it and put it in garage or return it back and then sort it out offline. no time to discuss refund policy at that time. in the worst case, re-delivery would cost me $60 vs accepting it and re-selling may potentially lead to significantly more damage. also if the item is returned in original packaging, the seller can potentially sell it as floor stock.

  • +2

    It was your responsibility to make sure of the dimensions before you made the order, if they refused that information then you would have something you could argue for, Otherwise make a complaint to the accc, see what they say.

    • We were aware of the dimensions of the assembled unit and ensured that there is ample space inside. The fact that he mentioned it comes in disassembled state, it did not make sense to ask for box dimensions specifically.
      Had we known that box is unexpectedly large (i.e. can not pass through standard door size), we wouldn't proceed with the purchase in the first place.

      • no balcony door ?

        • no unfortunately.

      • +1

        You probably should have asked for the dimensions first before ordering

  • +1

    It's not good enough that they put the terms & conditions on their website. They need to provide this to you at the time of entering the contract so I would be using this as my get out clause. You will most likely need to take it to small claims tribunal in your state as they probably will not just bend over on this

  • Nice couch, where there is a will there is a way, get it in there, or keep it and sell for more than 50%

  • +9

    The product is fit for purpose and delivered as specified.

    You're whinging about a logistics oversight on your part and you are expecting the seller to shoulder the costs.

    Even if the law permits you to assign liability to the seller, it's a dick move to let someone, much less make them, pay for your oversight.

    Your questions

    1. You clearly stated you knew it is coming from China and will take 12 weeks as it is made to order. Your choice of colour is irrelevant.

    2. You volunteerily signed and agreed without knowing what you're agreeing to.

    3. Unless you ask, box size isn't a prerequisite information as it has no bearing on being fit for purpose.

    4. It is not fully assembled.

    5. If it is over 2 weeks, you're within your rights to demand 5% discount.

  • +1

    How exactly is the furniture company responsible for their product not fitting through your door and how does this have a bearing on fitness for purpose?

    Hint: They're not and it doesn't.

    The company is in the business of selling couches intended for sitting, not fitting through things.
    Fitness for purpose relates to the couch being able to be used as a couch (i.e. its intended purpose).

    As you've said, it was an unfortunate logistical oversight on your behalf and you now need to think of a solution. If the couch cannot be partially disassembled to fit through your door or brought in through other means, it seems you have three options:

    1. Use it as very expensive outdoor furniture;
    2. Accept the 50% refund offer as per their terms; or,
    3. Accept the couch and re-sell on your choice of online marketplace to recoup > 50%.
    • My question is more around
      1) does choosing 1 of available colors make it a special order? normal cancellation wont attract 50% penalty.
      2) don't we expect the flat packs (purchased from store in Australia) to fit through standard main door (made to Australian standards) regardless of where it is manufactured unless otherwise declared explicitly by the merchant? I'd have happily accepted loss if it was ordered online from some cheap overseas store which didn't know standard door sizes here.
      Not sure if they goofed up the order but i have no way to verify unless we open the box which is already back to merchants warehouse.
      Assuming theres nothing wrong with the order, aren't they misguiding by saying it will be delivered in pieces and need to assemble it but one of the piece is unexpectedly large to fit through standard door. As mentioned earlier, there was no specific customization request from our side and same color is now advertised on their website as low stock. It would be interesting to know if choosing one of standard colors made it a custom order.
      Agreed that they didn't have that color in stock at that time and had to make it so we had to wait longer but hard to accept that order processing due to lack of inventory can simply be classified as custom order here.

      • +3
        1. I suppose it would be down to the advice you received at point of purchase. If you selected a sofa that they had stock in a particular colour, they would not need to construct it. Hence it would not be a "Special or Custom Made order". As you say, they didn't have stock — you wanted the colour, so they had to custom make it. I don't think you have much wriggle room in this regard unfortunately.

        2. Australian standards are there to ensure safe occupation of buildings. While it's good practice to ensure your customer can get their order into their house, it's not a mandatory measure that retailers/manufacturers need to abide by. Additionally, if they said "it will be delivered in pieces, with easily assembly" — and it turns up in two enormous boxes, which require to be assembled — they haven't exactly been misleading.

        • I agree with this, just because you don't need to custom order it Now, doesn't disapprove the fact that they had to custom make it for you during the time of purchase previously.

          A business does not need to confirm that you can fit the product in the premises or not.
          Fit for purpose as to the sitting of the couch not fit to go through a dam door.

  • +1

    Special order lounge from China.

    Will wonders ever cease.

    • It wasn't "special" order from my perspective. Its the same couch i posted in the link above. The merchant classified it as "special" because he didn't have the specific color (again one of the standard colors offered by them) in the stock. Where he gets it manufactured from is not customers' choice. We only knew because he mentioned that there would be extra wait due to chinese new year. But as his business is registered here in Sydney, we thought they should be aware of standard door sizes and should have warned us if it was unreasonably large.

  • +2

    I seem to be in the minority here, but I would think it would be reasonable for manufacturers to make sure that their products fit through a standard door, or include a warning that you may need to dismantle your house to get it in.

    • Cheers mate. You made my day regardless of the outcome. Glad to see im not the only one who thinks it that way. In the hindsight, its always easy to say "i should have checked the box size" or if i were to pick the boxes myself then yes id certainly ensure it fits in the back of the vehicle. But something blocks through standard door (even our king size mattress made through the same door) is bit hard to imagine unless you see the box yourself or were warned at the time of the purchase. Anyway, will see how it goes.

  • It is a special order if you choose the colour. Especially if you needed to wait 12 weeks for it. The factory probably make a whole heap of the couches, then last thing put the on fabric you want - to your order. It isn't a special order if you choose the one of the floor.

    • Its still bit hard to digest this bit. Not sure if its special case for "sofas" or furniture industry in particular. If you want to purchase a car which is offered in red/ green/ blue colors by the company. Now lets say you want to go with the red one. If the dealer doesn't have it in stock and has to order it from the factory which results in reasonably long wait. Does that mean the car is customized or specially manufactured for you?
      Kindly note that we didn't buy a floor stock item so we shouldn't be restricted to color of the display piece. Its only to give you the look and feel of the product in my humble opinion. Isn't it?

      • +1

        Furniture company has floor stock, stock on hand and capability to manufacture stock.

        Stock on hand =/= floor stock.

        If they don't have your requested colour in stock on hand, it needs to be manufactured.

        Difficult to swallow? Perhaps. Difficult to understand? Shouldn't be.

        • Furniture company has floor stock, stock on hand and capability to manufacture stock.

          Thatswhat I thought as well.

          Stock on hand =/= floor stock.

          With you on this one too.

          If they don't have your requested colour in stock on hand, it needs to be manufactured.

          Still on same page.

          The only thing i still don't get is if they have to manufacture it because they don't have it in stock, it doesn't make my order a custom one, its still just a regular "order" from customer's perspective right? For sure, the waiting time is justified (and was something agreed at the time of purchase) when they have to get it manufactured but whether the merchant has it in stock or not shouldn't change order type from "regular" to "special" especially when penalty is 50% on "special" orders but very low on "regular" ones.

        • @ameyas7:

          I understand I have made assumptions in my process below, please correct me if so.

          You find the couch you want to purchase as a display in store. Sales assistant shows you colour swatches and you choose your selected colour. At the counter, sales assistant consults stock on hand and advises you they have no stock of your couch in the requested colour. Advises that if you want the couch in the colour you've requested, you will need to wait for one to be manufactured.

          If at that point you confirm your order and pay — you've just placed a special order. That piece of furniture would not have been created without your order. If they had one out the back or in a warehouse of theirs, it would have been a "regular" order, as you note above.

          As I'm sure you're aware, it's very expensive for a furniture shop to create surplus items without customer orders to reimburse cost. It often leads to retailers having to put on massive "sales" to try and get stock moved and break even. It was probably even in the better interest of the furniture company to try and get you to buy a colour they already had in stock, sitting in a box somewhere rather than create another item they might not be able to sell if it ends up getting returned. This is why the return penalty is harsher — and while unfortunate for you, is a logical measure to have from the perspective of the retailer.

      • So you bought a sofa that was on display so you know the sizes

        But they didn’t have the colour you wanted so it was a special order but still the same sofa which you already saw , so you should know if it would fit in your door or not

        Either way there is a cancellation fee

        It’s on you

        Ok here’s using your car story which has no relevance to the story , if you ordered the ugliest colour that no one buys and then won’t accept it there would be a cancellation fee anyway despite the colour

  • Few things:

    1) Unless the sofa comes in 1 complete unit, assembly is required. This could be 2 parts, or 50. Assumption on your behalf here was wrong. I don't know of many places that "flat pack" sofas.
    2) Many places have "restocking" fees or percentages for items that are custom orders. Custom order means that item was ordered in JUST for you. The fact it is available in that colour doesn't matter.

    We made a similar mistake, ordered a corner unit with chaise and forgot to take into account the size of our door because, well we got everything in the first time we moved….
    On the day of delivery, it wouldn't fit. Our delivery guy looked at the section and at the door, then simply said "is it ok if we take the feet off to get it in?" and that gave us the 25mm we needed. My suggestion is that you go and view the couch in the shop, measure the section sizes, and work out another way… or give up half the money.

    • +1

      On the day of delivery, it wouldn't fit. Our delivery guy looked at the section and at the door, then simply said "is it ok if we take the feet off to get it in?" and that gave us the 25mm we needed. My suggestion is that you go and view the couch in the shop, measure the section sizes, and work out another way… or give up half the money.

      This is where Tetris skills move over to real life. Having one go at fitting it in isn’t enough. Upside down, turned left, right, disassembled. There are dozens of options.

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