Trouble picking up from Harvey Norman

From a recent post https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/381989 I bought a bissel spot clean online at Harvey Norman. I selected to collect from nearest store. I received an email saying the order was ready to collect with these instructions:

"When picking up your order please remember to bring:

Order number
A current, valid photo ID issued by AUS government
The credit card used for this purchase (doesn't apply for PayPal or Interest Free)"

My girlfriend works close to the store so I gave her the order # and my licence. The store carried on and refused to give over the cleaner. I talked to them in real time, they said forward the email to my partner's phone so they can see this. 30mins later my partner got the cleaner.

I phoned Harvey Norman's office, explained what had happened, and was told "it is the store's discression as to whether they give the order over or not". I said it shouldn't be up to stores discretion; that there should just be one policy and stick to it. I also explained that we followed the instructions in the email and that it should have been that simple.

Anyway, this is just a heads up and a whinge.

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Comments

  • +40

    When a place requires ID, they would assume that the ID is of the person who's present at the time.

    For example, you can't take someone else's ID and credit card to a phone store and expect to be able to sign up to an phone contract under the name on the ID.

    Let's look at it on the flip side - someone steals your ID from your mailbox and collects your item. When you show up and they tell you that someone with your ID has already collected your purchase, what's your reaction going to be? You'd probably call up head office and complain that the staff in the store didn't bother checking to see that the ID matched the person.

    Staff need to take reasonable measures to ensure that it's a legitimate collection because they're at risk for the loss if anything goes wrong.

      • +6

        A phone contract is much different

        It's the same logic.

        The product at HN being picked was already paid for. If the person picking up had to pay for the item, then the rules may be a bit more lax.

    • +1

      When a place requires ID, they would assume that the ID is of the person who's present at the time.

      Exactly. The whole point of requiring Photo-ID is so that they can match the photo to the person.

  • +7

    Id has to match the person picking it up.

    I would of made a quick call to the store prior to picking it up and explain someone else was going to pick it up. You would of already had the email sent to your girlfriend and would of been easy.

    It seems like they did their job right. Just abit of a pain.

  • -4

    Yeah, fair enough. It kind of shit me the assumption. Lots of people must do this for similar reasons.

    • +1

      not sure with HN but most have option to identify a third party as the collector when placing the order.

      • I've never seen that. I actually have had lots of photos printed on glass and metal via harvey norman online - it's actually fujifilm (always something on special in this dept), and I've never picked them up in person. Over the last 5 or 6 years probably. Same store.

  • +2

    I once purchased a camera for my wife (who is from overseas) from Harvey Norman online & used her name on the order (as she had a $20 voucher she wanted to put towards the order) & my credit card details (with my name).

    Pulled up at the shop, to collect, kids were grumpy & crying for lunch (both under 3) so wife went in alone, with the order/email, my CC (already paid) & her international photo ID. They refused to give it to her. She came out to the car - I gave her my license and she went back in. Still not good enough. I came into the store with the kids and her, we had the order, her international (legitimate photo ID), my Australian drivers license with photo ID and my credit card, and everything had already been paid for and her item was on the counter in front of us.

    They still refused to hand over the order, stating that if my wife did not have Australian photo ID I would need to cancel the order & repurchase the product and pay a higher price because the special I had taken advantage of was no longer available.

    I said this was ridiculous, that they had already received the money for the product, we had supplied more than enough ID and I considered that the product was mine. (Of course we had the manager there and everything at this stage - still they wouldn't budge).

    I then calmly picked up the box & said I was leaving with it, since they had received the money for it. The manager tried to block my way so I walked around him. As I calmly walked towards the door, the manager had their security guard tackle me from behind and force me to the ground (nearly on top of a glass coffee table & in front of my kids). He then attempted to have the security guard hold me there until the police arrived (bear in mind they had already taken photocopies of my identity so whatever you think these steps were unnecessary ~ if they honestly thought they could win a 'theft' case they had the means to proceed with it).

    There was never any disagreement that we were the genuine people responsible for the order, nor that our ID, payment or credit card were invalid or suspicious. They stated they accepted we were who we said we were, had legitimate ID that proved our identity & had paid in full. But their terms & conditions said… Australian photo ID (which we had for the credit card used but not the order name!

    They called the police, I told them I was happy to wait because I would be pressing charges for assault. The police were taking ages to come despite the stores repeated calls & after the police heard that I was not & had not threatened the staff of the store they stated would not be attending despite the stores insistence.

    So the store decided I could have the camera and go on my way (after all this!).

    I did not press charges but should have. I have not set foot in a Harvey Norman since although I did send a letter to their head office, noting the store and time of day & asking them to check the video recording and get back to me regarding whether they thought their stores behaviour was acceptable. Never heard back.
    To this day still can't believe it actually happened.

    • +1

      That puts my little dummy spit into perspective. That manager isn't manager material.

      • Well shows that they have a pattern of bad behaviour.. I don't think they are anywhere near as customer focused as JBHifi or The Good Guys nor really care that they are not.

        • +2

          I would have thought, such a big business would have a standard routine and that this would be explained simply in the email. No deviations. If not picking up in person, do this: blah blah blah.

          I'm guessing this is a daily issue. I think it needn't happen. I don't think it should be up to "store's discretion"

    • +11

      You should of called the police yourself, and said you were attacked and injured by a security guard without just cause, and sued the manager, the security guard, and harvey norman for mental distress and possible physical dmg.

      You could of gotten a few 100 thousand dollars at least. Too bad you didnt pursue it.

      • We only heard one side of the story, but if it sounds legit, then I would file a police report. That is assault, and it had a lot of potential to go wrong (you getting hit in the head/glass table), or you could theoritically fight back (to defend yourself) and get the security guy hit in the head.

        I have heard of store policy that even if it's blatant stealing, the staff do not endanger themselves and let the them go, and report to police. There's trillions of CCTV anyway. Something is not right there.

    • Now that is a classic, and a possible case of assault.

  • +1

    I’m sure that’s the whole story and not biased towards you in any way at all…

  • +2

    Just wondering what you think “A current, valid photo ID issued by AUS government” means. For me valid would indicate that it belonged to the person presenting it. So for me I don’t think you followed the directions in the email at all. You’re the sort of person that makes companies have to include pages of disclaimers and instructions because you refuse to do the right thing. You would also be the first to scream blue murder if you lost your license in the street and somebody had turned up at HN and collected your cleaner.

    • Sheesh, I was going in the direction of "less technical, more reasonable". Sure, possibilities are endless. But no, I definitely don't want more safety signs, rules, legislations etc etc. Just some common sense. Really, if someone found my licence in the street, and had my order number and knew that it was something to be collected from HN, I'd think their talents were wasted on a spot steam cleaner. It's possible though.

  • +2

    More reasonable and common sense are the things you should have used before sending your girlfriend in to pick up your goods. Using either of those attributes would have seen you at least ring them before sending an agent in to collect for you. Being reasonable would have meant not ringing head office and wasting peoples time just because you can’t seem to fathom that they do have a policy and they did stick to it. You’re the one trying to fudge things. Common sense tells you that.

  • +5

    "Trouble picking up from HN"

    I usually go to bars….

  • +1

    Did you not think to call the store and say “Hi I ordered a cleaner but I can’t pick it up today so I was wondering if my girlfriend can?” As long as they say yes then you can give them her name and they’ll make a note of it, You’re expecting basically some random to be able to pick up something with someone else’s license.

    Seriously did you expect them to give over your order to some random who had your license?

    they said forward the email to my partner's phone so they can see this.

    Why didn’t you do this as well!?

    I also explained that we followed the instructions in the email and that it should have been that simple.

    No you didn’t. Common sense would suggest that the person who has the ID pick up the item addressed to them.

    Were there instructions of ‘what to do if someone else is collecting ?’

    I could understand your annoyance if it was your wife with the same last name and she couldn’t pick it up but in this situation for someone who talks about common sense above you seem to be lacking it.

  • +1

    If they didn't do a matched ID check, then wouldn't anyone with a dtilen/found wallet be able to place an order and quickly collect?

  • the good guys are equally as bad, after a couple of bad experiences I just choose to pay their shipping cost if I can't find it cheaper elsewhere.

  • I didn't realise people actually thought they could hand their license to someone else to pick up goods. That's golden.

  • Um.. this is normal.. really can't imagine why you thought it would be any other way.

  • I don't understand the issue. The ID is there as protection that you are the person that brought the item. That ID could have been stolen and that person is picking up the item. You wouldn't be whinging if that had happened. You would then be complaining to HN store staff why did you give that item to a stranger it wasn't me. They are only protecting themselves and you the buyer. You could have been hacked as well for your email about the order.

    • How an id’s thief can imagine the id owner has items somewhere to be picked up?

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