Desk job not for me... what are the alternatives?

[Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 21:29

So I'm partway into my first job post-uni, and to be honest I'm really not enjoying my time behind the desk. Some days are better than others of course, but the time moves pretty glacially for the most part. My previous job getting up at 4am to do 12 hour days at fruit and veggie markets was way more fun than this and went a lot quicker than 7.5 hrs in a cubical.

So what I'm wondering essentially is… what are some more hands-on positions, or something with an aspect of field work, for someone with a very broad science degree? Happy to look into some further study at TAFE or something that I can do while I work! I just really can't see myself doing this for a long time, it's really not for me.

Thoughts? Cheers, happy to answer questions ofc.

Education & Work

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  • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 21:39
    +6

    Be a primary producer. Lease some land from old folks on dilapitated farms.

    Make the best produce and engage some chefs or maybe start your own farm to table.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:44
      +3

      Those guys work suuuuuper hard for very little credit, plus the initial input requires a lot of funds. Something I'll keep in the back of mind though.

    • D3AB on 20/07/2018 - 18:09

      I really like the idea of this, but I was wondering how one goes about such arrangement. Just go knocking on doors and hope and pray someone gives you a go?
      I'd love to move to the country with the family but the cost of workable land is prohibitive. Eg 100+ acres

      • [Deactivated] on 20/07/2018 - 19:15

        In the city fringes and beyond, real estate agents normally handle land lease. Many even run stock yards and crop dusters.

  • HighAndDry on 17/07/2018 - 21:40
    +4

    Not sure about the current economy, but I had friends who did engineering from a science degree and went and worked on-site at minesites. Apparently also 12 hour days, but something like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, and AMAZING money. (Unfortunately I have no personal advice - I'm very much a 'desk jockey'.)

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:44
      +2

      Thanks man, unfortunately my brain and anything maths doesn't get so I'd get kicked out of anything engineering very quickly haha. Also have a few mates in similar situations like that. One guy is a gold mining engineer of some sort. Couple months work out of the year, in a compound in Africa somewhere. Hell on earth when he's there, but pays banging cash.

      • airal3rt on 17/07/2018 - 22:52

        One guy is a gold mining engineer of some sort. Couple months work out of the year, in a compound in Africa somewhere. Hell on earth when he's there, but pays banging cash.

        Could you provide some more details on this? I'm curious

        • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:56

          Fraid the guy is just a friend of a friend, but as far as I know, has some sort of mining background, and is a miner in Africa for part of the year. When he's not there, he's here hanging around spending money without a care in the world. I've talked to him about the situation over there and he says it's crawling with armed guards and stuff, pretty full on life.

        • airal3rt on 17/07/2018 - 23:00

          @jrowls:

          Africa is just a complete shithole in general, you'd want to be packing heat yourself if you weren't in the presence of armed guards. Dope that he can make money from exploiting a commodity over there though.

        • andyfc on 19/07/2018 - 20:56
          +3

          He is likely an exploration geologist (with a gold specialisation). He is the guy that digs little holes to see if there is gold, then tells them to dig the big holes. Gold is hard to find, and in places that aren't great to work. To attract talent, they pay lots of money, so they can make lots of money.

        • h4zey on 20/07/2018 - 15:53

          @jrowls: could his name be Danny? so he moved from diamond to Gold aye..

        • [Deactivated] on 20/07/2018 - 15:59

          @h4zey: where is the gold? Where did you bury it?!?!

  • original15 on 17/07/2018 - 21:41

    What are you doing OP, what’s your role?

    • Randxyz123 on 17/07/2018 - 21:55
      +1

      for someone with a very broad science degree?

      I assume, research assistant or lab assistant?

      OP, I would do another degree…

      What are you into? What are your hobbies? Do something you like even if it's starting again with an undergrad degree.

      I swear some people do a degree because they feel like they have to.

      • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:42
        +1

        No, I'm in a grad program. Mostly doing policy work.

        Another degree is such a big load of debt to take on though!

        I'm into lots of stuff, sports, photography, hiking/camping, gardening, reading, ya know.

        Going back to an undergrad again would just feel I dunno, wasteful of 30 grand. My partner is doing a masters as well so I've got these two massive debt figures in the back of mind haha.

        • Alpacino299 on 21/07/2018 - 10:09

          Landscaping sounds like a fit for you

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:37

      It's a grad program so I've done a few different things, but it would all (foreseeable future) be policy or program based stuff in the public sector.

      • original15 on 18/07/2018 - 20:24

        Govt grad program?

        • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 21:17

          Yep!!

        • original15 on 19/07/2018 - 08:31
          +3

          @jrowls:
          Have never really understood why govt grad programs are so desireable for grads, but then realty of the workplace/role hits them

          6months In ain’t a good sign. Do you have any friends that went into consulting etc?

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 11:08

          @original15:

          Lots of people (not me) are very ambitious and there's a very clear and available path laid out for government grads to get to a high level powerful position quite quickly.

          Also (more like me) some people are/were optimistic about making a difference and being interested in politics etc and saw it as a good in. I think local or state government might be different as it's less 'meta' if you know what I mean.

          I don't know anyone in consulting, no.

        • josho9 on 19/07/2018 - 19:30
          +3

          there's a very clear and available path laid out for government grads to get to a high level powerful position quite quickly.

          Really?

        • original15 on 19/07/2018 - 20:15
          +3

          @josho9:
          perception v reality

        • WhyAmICommenting on 19/07/2018 - 21:55

          @original15: haha

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 21:59

          @josho9: I dunno man, in my dept there is. Other areas maybe not, but a lot of the higherups I've met started as grads.

        • hetzjagd on 20/07/2018 - 02:14
          +1

          @jrowls:

          Grad program? Canberra PS? If so, get out now if you're already feeling claustrophobic. Don't make the same several year mistake I did thinking it was solid work that was worth the money. I let it ruin me and now I feel like I'm in a corner. Go traveling and 'find yourself' if you can afford it, and when you return you might have some better idea of who you are and what you want to do. I didn't do that. All the folks my age that did it grew up to be successful well rounded people.

        • [Deactivated] on 20/07/2018 - 07:33
          +1

          @hetzjagd: Thanks for the advice mate. Hope you're doing okay? :)

        • hetzjagd on 20/07/2018 - 13:13

          @jrowls:

          Thanks. I'm not, but I will cope and still attempt to dig my way out. Appreciate you :)

        • lord henry on 21/07/2018 - 16:08

          @josho9:

          I'm led to believe there are one or two places where this could be true - but for most departments it is definitely not true.
          I skipped the grad program at my department and advanced faster than everyone in the program.

        • lalala1111 on 21/07/2018 - 17:53
          +1

          @jrowls:

          Maybe it's a working for government thing. I'm an engineer , working as a consultant, and heard from a lot of my engineer friends that government desk jobs are really boring because it's not that challenging or there's too much bureaucracy (despite at times, better pay/work hours). Maybe you just need to look for another job that challenges you?

        • [Deactivated] on 21/07/2018 - 20:17

          @lalala1111: Yeah nah I think you could be onto something. I just thought it might be fun to try something hands-on while I'm still young to see if I like it cause I still have time to bail if I don't, you know?

  • teacherer on 17/07/2018 - 21:54
    +4

    Teacher could work if you're cut out. 2 year post Grad masters now I think

    • fossilfuel on 17/07/2018 - 22:07
      +6

      Physics teachers are in demand in NSW. Specialising in maths and science (physics) will most likely net you permanent full time offers. I know someone in my cohort who's in this position.

      A bit of warning. Even though you work 40 weeks a year from 9AM-3PM, it's not a 9AM-3PM job. There's a lot of lesson planning, resource gathering, programming, assignment/test marking, general admin etc outside of school hours. I heard it takes about 4-6 years to become acclimatised to the working conditions of a teacher. Very tiring but also extremely rewarding.

      • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:40
        +1

        Bang on assessment - best mate's a teacher. Thanks for your input, super useful for anyone else reading and considering it.

      • macrocephalic on 19/07/2018 - 14:56
        -2

        That really depends on the teacher. Most of the teachers I know have to do a few nights a term of marking and reporting, and have to do the occasional after school event. Every bit of overtime they do could easily fit into half of the extra weeks of holidays they get, and then they still only work a 6 hour day. Then they complain when they have meetings that go until 5:30. As if the rest of us don't work until 5:30 every day.

        • GourmetFoodie on 20/07/2018 - 06:38

          They don't get paid past like 3-45/4pm though right?

        • miicah on 20/07/2018 - 09:00

          @GourmetFoodie: If it is staying back for PD you sort of get paid, as you usually get an extra day or two off at the start of the year in exchange. But staying back for staff meetings, no. (QLD)

        • belongsinforums on 20/07/2018 - 17:40
          +2

          A few nights a term of marking? Rofl

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:36
      +2

      Thanks for the suggestion - best mate's a teacher and I hear everything from him. Don't think I'm cut out for it unfortunately, as it does sound alright and up my alley on paper. Wouldn't want to put a half-assed person in an important position like that.

  • fossilfuel on 17/07/2018 - 22:04

    I know a guy who started off as a graduate lawyer. Hated every since bit of it. Dropped it after a few months to pursue paramedicine through vocational entry. Loving it at the moment.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 22:39

      Paramedicine as in what you'd do to become a paramedic? I have considered that in the past but I'm not particularly good with gore etc…

      • fossilfuel on 17/07/2018 - 22:46

        Yeah working as a paramedic. Vocational entry allows you to work and study at the same time. It takes longer to complete (approx 5 years) compared to the university route (3 years) but it guarantees you a job once you finish.

        What kinds of hands-on work do you like? With a science degree, you might have the right subjects work towards postgrad qualification in an allied health profession e.g physio, speech path, audiologist etc.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 23:00

          Oh that's awesome! 5 more years of this though could be rough! Haha. Really, thanks for the info though.

          Hands on stuff is sort of… anything out in the field I have enjoyed. I did some surveying for an archaeology project once, placing GPS markers and mapping it out, that was fun. One of my unit subjects was along the same lines, running a flood risk assessment by doing some mapping and that sort of thing. Ended up on computers in the lab half the time but at least the work there was practical - if the creek is x big and the average floods in other creeks are y… I don't know if that's a real job but it was definitely more fun than this is.

          As for my subjects I don't really think anything would count towards a more legit sciencey pathway - my degree was in human geography, I did some science subjects but they were geography rather than anything bio or chem etc. Physio might be alright I guess! I've certainly been there enough.

        • fossilfuel on 17/07/2018 - 23:14
          +3

          @jrowls: Hmm have you considered surveying? Have a look at these jobs and see if they suit you. You might be able to get some units recognised from your previous degree.

          Architectural, Building & Surveying Technicians
          Surveyors and Spatial Scientists

        • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 23:23

          @fossilfuel:

          I have thought about it a little, but I didn't really know where to start looking! Thanks for the sources :) Very much appreciated.

        • fossilfuel on 17/07/2018 - 23:45
          +1

          @jrowls: You're welcome. All the best mate!

        • ms_caz on 18/07/2018 - 06:25

          @jrowls: We are often contacted by this organisation who want to promote the profession and entice students into the world of surveying. It would be worthwhile doing some exploration of this site. A Life without Limits - surveying

        • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 14:16

          @ms_caz: awesome thank you for that!!! :)

        • ozkiwi75 on 19/07/2018 - 20:59
          +1

          @fossilfuel: Your suggestions were my first thoughts as well. I've regularly worked with various surveyors and can say it's definitely rewarding if you enjoy the outdoors. But surveying and geospatial science can both be very maths heavy, which I thought the Op isn't fond of. Surveying is not really just a point and shoot task. Lots of theory learning required.

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 21:50
          +1

          @ozkiwi75: thanks for the comment! I don't dislike maths maths, I just got very lost when they started introducing things outside the basic operations haha. Once we started talking about logarithms and all that sort of thing I dropped it. I quite like calculations, geometry etc.

        • Ethereal Winter on 05/08/2018 - 21:00

          @jrowls:

          Ended up on computers in the lab half the time but at least the work there was practical - if the creek is x big and the average floods in other creeks are y… I don't know if that's a real job but it was definitely more fun than this is.

          Flood modelling is definitely a job, do you have a environmental science or engineering degree (or GIS)? You'd typically work for a consultancy who takes works from clients that need this done.

        • [Deactivated] on 06/08/2018 - 15:34

          @Ethereal Winter: unfortunately no, those disciplines would see me back at uni for another four years - I have b. human geography.

  • Stewardo on 17/07/2018 - 23:15

    Horticulture/landscaping

    • [Deactivated] on 17/07/2018 - 23:24

      That would probably be fun, how would you move into that though?

      • ms_caz on 18/07/2018 - 06:21
        +1

        Horticulture is a Certificate level course at TAFE. So is landscaping but you are also likely to be able to pick up work with a landscaper without necessarily having a qualification eg digging trenches, building a retaining wall etc. Many landscapers have more of a construction background rather than a plant knowledge background. Those with a hort qualification are likely to work in plant nurseries, especially commercial production rather than retail.

        TAFE courses are also available in parks and gardens and conservation and land management. This might be a bit more related to what your current background is (in fact might even be what your current grad program involves). There are also courses in hydrography which might align with what you have said you enjoyed, but I think that training in this area must be completed in the workplace which means you would need to be working in this area. You could look at your local water authority or council and see if there are entry level jobs being advertised - I think it is going to be fairly limited. Turf management is another area which might fit your interests - again employment most likely to be through local councils.

        If you are at all Health Science oriented, you could look into TAFE Laboratory Skills, Sterilisation Services or Pathology collection courses.

        However, remember that if you have already completed a Bachelor degree, any lower level qualification course that you enrol in (Diploma, Certificate) will attract full fees. (Unless it is one of the skills shortages courses that will be fee free for next year in Victoria - courses are listed at the end of this article from the Herald Sun fee-free TAFE courses

        If you are in Victoria the following link may be useful to help you find out what training courses are available Victorian Skills Gateway I am sure there are similar services in other states.

        • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 13:31

          Thanks for all the info mate :) much appreciated.

      • Musing Outloud on 21/07/2018 - 19:30

        Also building and construction. Having done a science degree tells me you are capable. Try a site job for a commercial construction firm. That work is always outdoors.

        There are Tafe as well as Uni courses.

  • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 06:08

    Have you tried Biotech?

  • chumlee on 18/07/2018 - 07:29

    Pharmaceutical sales rep.

    I did it for 4 years and really enjoyed it.

    With a science background you have the qualifications. They will skill you up on selling

    • Ughhh on 18/07/2018 - 10:38
      +1

      How did you get into it? I've seen some, but all required sales experience.

    • Eeples on 01/08/2018 - 13:40

      Penny got bored with it.

  • trustnoone on 18/07/2018 - 08:01

    do you have any interests in the land sort of stuff? I think theres quite a few science background people looking into stuff like environment planning, testing, wildlife etc, basically everything outdoorsey and sciencey with the environment.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 13:31
      +1

      I love anything to do with the land or countryside! There's a few cool degrees out there but it's just hard to justify spending another 30k or whatever it would be I guess.

      • evilredfin on 21/07/2018 - 08:11

        Did you do bio?
        You could do things just as natural resource officer, environment impact assessments or other type local government jobs in vegetation.
        You can either manage vegetation, do surveys, visit sites.
        I studied enviro science and worked in local government for vocation work and there was a lot of roles that involved site work as well as some desk work, specially in conservation and vegetation.

        • [Deactivated] on 21/07/2018 - 10:09

          I did human geog. Those jobs in local govt sound good though, did you enjoy it?

  • lupiter on 18/07/2018 - 08:18

    You say you've got a broad science degree, how about a school lab assistant? That's what my SO does. It's not a career with much upward mobility (up requires a teaching qualification) but it's not a desk job.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 13:30
      +1

      To be blunt, I don't really have much time for kids tbh. Otherwise it could be a good opportunity! Thanks though.

      • lupiter on 18/07/2018 - 15:39

        You don't deal with kids in that job - pretty much 95% dealing with teachers. You make the stuff they need for experiments & clean it up.

  • Ryanek on 18/07/2018 - 08:24
    +12

    Then how would you browse OzBargain all day?

  • my mum on 18/07/2018 - 09:48
    +2

    I dont want to hijack your thread but I am in a on-your-feet and physically active job and dream of a behind a desk. What do you do at the desk that makes it boring?

    • dcep on 18/07/2018 - 10:45
      +17

      There are times that there isn't any bargain deals posted here.

      • Wystri Warrick on 18/07/2018 - 11:24
        +1

        When there isn't any bargains I chat to Scab via web cam.
        He loves to show me his collection of bargains.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 13:29
      +2

      That's okay, happy to have it hijacked! Solving anyone's problems is good.

      Every desk job is different let me preface with that first. But where I am, in federal government, the work is two things: slow and broad. Since we can't actually go out and do stuff, rather we set the rules for other people to do stuff, a lot of work here can be incredibly boring in that it is so far from reality.

      More generally, I just find that I can go a whole day without an interaction with another human if I didn't seek it out. There's only so much reading on a screen that you can do before you go crazy. And more personally I'm just a busy-thinking person, I like things more fast paced or multitasking. Delving deep into one thing for a number of weeks drives me mental.

      • Wallyt99 on 19/07/2018 - 22:27
        +1

        Sounds like you work at a very shitty department with poor leadership. Chaining yourself to a desk serves no productive results. Desk based ‘research’ serves little practical value

        I’d suggest sticking out the grad program then moving jobs.

        Not all desk jobs have you chained to your desk - or measure output by desk time.

      • TheBird on 20/07/2018 - 18:03
        +1

        It might not be the desk that you're having an issue with.

        I've come from a desk in corporate, to a desk which like you, is also with the federal govt. I'm ready to move on from my post to another desk job.

        You might need a different desk.

      • AlanHB on 21/07/2018 - 09:30

        I'm in Federal Government too, and my role would probably be described as the opposite - generally fast paced and specific.

        It's not the desk that makes the role uninviting to you, it's your duties.

        Massive plus is that you are in the Federal Government, one of the perkiest jobs you can have. Just have a flip through APSjobs and see what other roles you might be interested in.

        Edit: Oh you're in a grad program? You'll get 3 rotations, you'll see that each area if not only different, but also opt to use their grads in different ways.

        With some areas, they hand the grads the boring work to occupy them so they don't have to be managed. Others get them involved in more exciting stuff.

        If you get wind of some sort of project your area is doing, you tell you supervisor that you're keen to expand your skills with the area, and that project X looks really cool, you'd like to get involved.

  • DarthAntz on 18/07/2018 - 13:35
    +1

    desk jobs are soul sucking, and in a blink 20 years can pass.

    get an hour or so of reading in each day while at your desk. not just ozbargain forums, but actual books. it'll keep you stimulated

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 13:40

      Thanks for the advice mate :)

  • Lockster on 18/07/2018 - 14:08

    How do I get a "desk" job?

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 14:15

      Do a degree, get into a grad program!

  • Gandalf the Thrifty on 18/07/2018 - 17:11
    +1

    Gigalo? you'll get to meet people and have hands-on positions

    • h4zey on 20/07/2018 - 14:51

      and you can occasionally do the "desk" job too..

  • Yaren24 on 18/07/2018 - 17:14

    Hi Op, what about truck driving? I am actually looking for another job too.

    • [Deactivated] on 18/07/2018 - 19:04

      Seems a little dangerous and bad working conditions from what I can tell. Also I have no idea what the pay is like…

      • Zachary on 19/07/2018 - 04:05

        How is being a truck driver dangerous?? Unless you're an idiot who doesn't know what they're doing, which you can't be since you would have to know and be certified on how to drive a truck and handle goods in the first place to even be a truck driver(since that's what licenses and tickets are for, right??), there is no possibility of any danger towards you…unless you're talking about other drivers you meet during transit between places?

        I was thinking this too, wouldn't it be cool to drive one of those awesome big trucks around lugging around containers of goods and shit? hahaha

        …surely it can't be that bad being a truckie, could it….?

        Awaiting input from an actual truckie…

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 13:56
          +2

          Pretty easy to have an accident when you do a lot of driving in a short time frame, plenty of stories about tight deadlines, high pressure bosses. Plus more time on the road means more opportunities for one of the other idiots out there to ruin your day with an accident or something.

          Again I don't know how much they get paid so can't comment on that I guess.

          There's also being away from home a lot, being sedentary - sitting down all day.

        • macrocephalic on 19/07/2018 - 14:59

          @jrowls: ..ice addiction

        • Rick505259 on 19/07/2018 - 18:00
          +5

          Being a garbo isn't bad. Don't have to handle the waste all work is done with joystick. Made around 95k in my first year and I'm 22. Seems to be plenty of career development options.

          No pressured deadlines as you'll work as a team and other trucks will come help you if you're behind in work due to breakdowns ect.

          4.30am wakeups aren't fun and some days you'll be clocking off after 12 hours. But other days you're home at 1pm. 👍

        • YellowDieselGolf on 20/07/2018 - 11:34

          @Rick505259:
          FML

        • [Deactivated] on 20/07/2018 - 11:41

          @Rick505259: thanks for the reply! Sounds good and a great salary.

  • Zachary on 19/07/2018 - 04:01

    How about working in a warehouse environment? That's pretty hands on - just make sure you're physically fit(Doesn't matter if ur fat or not, I've seen a fat guy last longer than me and I'm skinny-ish and here I was thinking he would pass out from the workload before I did but nope he just kept going and I passed out before him instead! hahahaha) to do the job….and don't get tired after one or two loads of work….

    • Yaren24 on 19/07/2018 - 08:53

      It's pretty physical, the turnover rate is high, I am currently working in a warehouse, I tbh would not recommend OP to go there til last resort, it's dusty, noisy and fast-paced. It does take a big toll on your body due to temperature differences. The pay is low, long term prospects depend, most ppl end up with another job at my workplace.

      • Zachary on 19/07/2018 - 20:28

        …the pay can't be that low can it? Besides OP didn't say he wanted a high paying hands on job, just wanted something hands on, whether paid highly or lowly or even not at all but I bet he's not willing to volunteer he's time working for free….

        Which warehouse do you work at that's dusty, noisy and fast paced all the times?

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 20:40
          -1

          I dunno, there's a difference between hands-on and menial right? Don't get me wrong I promise I'm not trying to belittle, but warehousing just sounds very menial to me.

        • Zachary on 19/07/2018 - 20:54

          @jrowls: well u didn't say you didn't want menial jobs….besides when people say hands on, I think of tough physical activities and tasks for the job regardless how smart you need to be to do it…..so warehousing roles would come under that for me…..same with being any sort of delivery driver, cleaner, nanny (quite hands on especially when you have naughty kiddies to look after….), carpenter, cabinet maker, electrician, engineer(the one where you're actually at the worksite doing shit and not sitting at a desk doing paperwork or on a computer…), plumber, welder, sheet metal worker, mechanic, basically all the trades….as they're all hands on I believe, don't think I've come across a trade that isn't hands on…..at least according to my definition of "hands-on"….

        • [Deactivated] on 19/07/2018 - 21:53

          @Zachary: Sorry I should have clarified in the OP! When I said more hands-on I sort of meant MORE hands-on - as in still getting to use my brain but just in a more practical way, as opposed to being soooo far away from reality with my work now.

          The trades are absolutely hands-on and pretty cool, I've heard nobody wants old 1st year tradesmen though.

        • Zachary on 20/07/2018 - 10:44
          +1

          @jrowls: I see…

          Whoa you must be 60+ if you're saying you're old! Well think again - I remembering having this conversation with someone and there was someone who was 60 something who got a trades certificate after being an apprentice for a while (can't remember what trade it was) and got a job from it too….

    • Aerith-Waifu on 19/07/2018 - 23:18
      +1

      Dont do it, I work at the warehouse and hated it every min of it. Long shifts with very physical work. Not much break and the pay is very bad also. Very cold in the winter when you do over night shift and horrible even more when you do mid day shift as most warehouse doesnt have air con. You be running back to your desk job in no time once you did it. I also did work at the fruit and veg place and compares to that its a piece of cake.

      • Zachary on 20/07/2018 - 10:47

        Ok, so then what do you suggest doing that's also equivalently hands on?

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