Information Hidden from Public after Builder Found Negligent

I’m after people’s opinions, from a general and diverse community.

First the background as to why the question:

My wife and I built a house a few years ago, we went to many builders, big companies and individuals, in the end we settled on one we thought would be good. During the vetting process we contacted all manner of departments, government and private, before making a decision. Not even before the build was finished we were having problems with the builder, the quality of the build, and items different to agreements and specifications.

We involved Fair Trading and then NCAT (NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal) for assistance, in the end the builder was found negligent on 24 out of the 28 of our allegations. On a side note, the process of Fair Trading and NCAT is not for the faint hearted, it took so much work, some costs, and many sleepless nights. During the process of getting evidence, finding out if the builder had done the wrong thing, we contacted other companies. When we contacted these various companies and when we mentioned the builder their general response was, “oh, that builder”, from that we got the idea that we’d not chosen well.

Later after our matter had been decided by NCAT I thought I’d call them for extra information and to see why we’d not found out this extra information in the first round of checking. I called as if I was inquiring about the builder we used but as a new customer, asking questions about any findings or penalties against the builder, this was done around four months after the matter had been finalised. What I found out was that once the builder has paid the penalty, fine or compensation as directed by NCAT, the matter becomes private and NCAT will no longer disclose that there were the matters when anyone inquires.

When you engage a builder you are employing them, and in my mind they become a “trusted advisor” to you, the builder has the experience of building a number of houses, maybe many, where the average person may only build one or two houses in their life. If problems do arise the builder is in a position of power as any changes or delays can cause the costs to go up.

Other areas, industries and professions where negligence and malpractice are publicly available:

-Driving history, up to 7 years in some states and in many states forever.
-Criminal history, police report etc, as an employment requirement, many years.
-Medical cases for some time, research would suggest that once the matter has been to court it may stay on a publicly accessible register forever.
-Lawyers, some states the records are removed after 5 years, others are there for over 20 years, or if struck off can be forever.

Now the question, should the records of where a builder has had one or more matters decided against them in their states Civil and Administrative Tribunals, or other governing bodies, be inaccessible to all after it has been finalised?

Comments

  • +2

    I agree the history for the builder should be available. Did he provide you with references and did you contact other people he had done work for?

    We tend to get our builders through the Master Builders website. So far we have had good builders. They have a dispute resolution process so you have a first port of call that isn't going to NCAT, ir VCAT in our case.

    The problem is even if you get a resolution out of NCAT he might just declare bankrupt and phoenix another company. Also once you have got into a dispute process you really don't want to have to deal with the builder again and would prefer someone else to remedy the situation.

    We had a friend who got their architect to recommend a builder. The builder wasn't registered and was completely useless. He even didn't connect the plumbing from their sink into the sewerage; which they found out when they had a very wet patch in the lawn. Walls fell down, the painting was terrible and it was a nightmare to resolve because the architect was on the builders side. They had a similar experience where they had to ask a very specific question to find out whether the builder was registered properly; they thought they had covered themselves but whatever "registration" he had it was the wrong type for building a house.

  • +7

    found negligent on 24 out of the 28 of our allegations

    Can we see the list of complaints

    • +vote
      You'd get a lot more replies OP if you're happy to show some of those details

  • +1

    Stories like these should be shared more.

    Many have had sleepless nights with their relationships ruined in the process of building their dream house.

    I bet OP is scarred for life and won't attempt for another build in future.

    Building has never been smooth sail unless you close both eyes.

    I'm in construction industry dealing with builders, let's just say you won't find one that won't rip you off if you look hard enough in detail.

  • +2

    In Vic, the builders who get caught out doing dodgy work get beaten very severely about the head with a budgie's feather. I have real history with this area of lawlessness and I imagine NSW is the same, builders are almost untouchable. When a small dispute arises it's gunna get very big very quickly with a pityful small outcome, for the builder anyway.

    The builder walks away to continue his crime… errr… trade, you have a heart attack and if you survive that, it is quickly followed by you having a mental breakdown.

    IOW, have nothing to do what so ever with domestic builders. MOO.

    burns soapbox

    • +1

      beaten very severely about the head with a budgie's feather.

      Sounds too severe to be true.

    • Maybe a 2 strikes and your published. A builder has the money do defend a dispute but to it would definitely distroy their business if published after 1 offence.

    • Hey Chris,

      We are currently at the last settlement of the house ( key handover ), we have our own inspector coming in next week, there is a huge problem of the garage water leak that hasn't been fix and a couple other things such as security electrics not fitted and a brick pier substitute for a wooden one, we haven't breached the contract only the builder has.

      We are building in Victoria ( Glen Waverley), we just want to get any advice, things such as would it be worth going to VCAT ( as already we are bleeding in interest and no rent coming in ), should we settle for the worst case and get the money back for the security and brick pier and other small things that the builder said he would, or even if you or anyone knows any lawyers we could talk to about this issue that have dealt with something like this before or anything information at all it would be greatly appreciate.

  • There used to be a publication from the Victorian Building Control Commission that had a list of current/settled disputes, it was called Inform. This is 1 page from that old document showing the miscreants: http://docdro.id/euRSLPy look at the wrist slaps dealt out.

    But, in Vic you can check builders/plumbers/surveyors at http://www.vba.vic.gov.au/consumers/practitioner-sanction-re…

    Hopefully these things are available in all states by the relevant authorities. ya just gotta search, takes time, but sometimes, just sometimes you find some gold.

    Big point here…. ALWAYS assign your own inspector/surveyor, not one that the builder recommends. (i.e. his friend)

  • +1

    Update on problems, and I have to keep this anonymous as the matter may go further.

    List of problems the builder was found negligent, while keeping details brief to avoid possible identification of the builder; house in wrong location on block, house substantially out of square, expansion joints not installed, roofing not done correctly - leaks, foundations not done properly, doors missing, plumbing incorrectly done, cracked tiles at hand over, painting poorly done - metal poles rusting at hand over, crayon marks on painted surfaces, shelves loosely attached to walls, to list some.

    I agree with Chris Topher on not using the certifier the builder suggests as unfortunately we did, we took the certifier to the Building Professionals Board and they were found negligent on four of the five faults we identified, they were given a warning only? Problems were house in wrong location, foundations not done correctly and expansion joints missing.

    Another thing that can cause problems and be on your record for 7 years is your credit history and score, even one $5 dishonour fee in your last two years history can cause problems when you apply for a home loan. We got past it but had to write a letter to the bank explaining how it happened.

    As we've further researched we feel this puts the balance of power unfairly in the builders hands and are looking for way to let the public know and maybe have the rules changed. What we'd like to see is records being available to the public in a similar way to other professions and industries.

    Suggestions on who we may be able to take this up with to see if it can be changed would be appreciated.

    • Good luck munsie99, sadly it's a terrible thing to go through. I had some satisfaction in the end, builder and surveyor both deregistered, an apology from the surveyor and a small financial settlement through litigation. I even challenged the surveyor's solicitor in a court proceeding and beat him.

      So both of them deregistered, builder then was doing dodgy's to make money, surveyor went interstate, I got an apology from him, beat his mouthpiece* and got a small payout as well. He tried to shake my hand as he apologised, all he got was a cold stare and he watched me leave with his hand left cold in the air while the mediator smiled. Some satisfaction was had.

      Other than finding your own surveyor also keep in mind that the builder's insurance on the build only kicks in AFTER completion and it is handed over. If you stop the builder before that, you are in trouble. You do hear and see partial builds sit and rot, that is one of the reasons why. That combined by builder's "going broke" doesn't help in the slightest.

      *The surveyors mouthpiece misquoted a law to the magistrate who put him in his place and awarded the case to me. How embarrassment to be put down by your peer in court. :-)

    • Suggestions? Get a decent surveyor/inspector and take advice from him/her.

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