Inevitable Cheap Ryzen 2700X or Hold out for The 3000 Series?

Cunning Linguist on 11/03/2019 - 15:13

I've bought most of the components for a new Ryzen build accept for the mobo and CPU. The Ozbargainer in me wants to wait for the inevitable stock dump discounts on the 2000 series prior to the Ryzen 3000 being released, but the hype force is strong and rumour is shaping that the 3000 series is going to be the chosen one that brings balance back to the force (Dare i utter the words "intel killer"?)

It's probably pointless asking because I'm pretty sure I've boarded the hype train, but keen to hear thoughts on what others would do?

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  • 9
    Choo choo all aboard the Ryzen 3000 hype train
  • 5
    A true Ozbargainer will buy a 2000 series for maximum cheapness
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  • knobbs on 11/03/2019 - 15:30

    Where is my consult magic 8 ball option?

    I have no idea though, what's new with the 3k series?

    • toliman on 11/03/2019 - 23:56
      +6

      well, it's partially 7nm, and it's using a chiplet design, similar to the Radeon VII. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyNJ3nH7iH0

      At CES, they showed an early demo of Ryzen 3000/Zen2, testing a CPU with 8c/16t, a ryzen 5 3600 equivalent, that was compared to the i9-9900k, using less power, and it's projected to be around $400, give or take, instead of $900.

      The demo wasn't "amazing", but smarter people extrapolated the numbers, and the rumours/leaks seem to be accurate. The new I/O system might also mean that it's still at the mercy of RAM speeds and XMP/CL timings, but that's also highly unknown.

      Supposedly it's coming in April/May, and it should be a BIOS update on the current Ryzen 2nd gen boards to get support. YMMV.

      The concept that the Zen2 / 3rd gen has, is breaking the hard to manufacture single-die CPU into modules/stages and dumping a whole lot of I/O bandwidth between the 3 modules. The Ryzen 3/5 series will have a 6-core or 8-core 7nm chiplet, and the much larger 14nm I/O bridge.

      The Ryzen 7/9 will have 2 chiplets, for a Multi-CPU equivalent, essentially equivalent to 2x 6-core or 8-core 7nm ryzen CPUs, for 12-cores and 16-cores respectively, and SMT/Hyperthreading on both chiplets.

      4.7-5ghz, 24/32 CPU threads on a ~$150 motherboard, for half the price of a i9-9900k.
      You can see why people thought it was fake, and why people still think it's fake.

      Chiplets, breaks the single integrated chip, into smaller, discrete stages which can be made with a lot less waste. The interior of the Zen 2 is a regular 14nm "Bridge" that will allow the separated CPU cores to fully integrate with the L2 and L3 cache(s), and with the smaller CPU modules on the outside, pulling power & heat away from the center of the CPU.

      The advantage, as long as each CPU core can communicate properly and with low latency, you get faster manufacturing, cheaper CPUs, better performance, less heat, and reduced pricing, because you can produce more chips in less time, and with less waste.

      And, because each chiplet is separated thermally, they can boost the core speeds in a similar fashion to how Intel's Turbo works for 5ghz speeds

      The entry level Ryzen 3 3300, will be 4.2ghz 6-core/12-thread, for AU ~$250, similar to the ~$600 i7-8700

      The top dog Ryzen 9 3850x, will be a 5ghz 16-core CPU, 32 threads for AU $700-$800 or so, comparing to the 5ghz 8-core i9-9900k for $900.

      Close to the end of the year, the 3300g will have an integrated 7nm Navi GPU, which will be somewhat equivalent to the Nvidia 1060/1070 (14/20 CU's, compared to the Vega56//64/VII's 50-60 CUs). Time will tell on when/how the Navi GPU exists/performs, because HBM2 memory is still too expensive, sic, and there hasn't been any Navi updates or leaks/estimations of performance yet.

      None of it is out yet, the prices are all fake/unconfirmed, and nothing has been benchmarked or overclocked yet.

      • knobbs on 12/03/2019 - 09:14

        +1 thank you

      • Cunning Linguist on 12/03/2019 - 19:01

        Nicely written, and a good overview on why the hype is big

  • DarthAntz on 11/03/2019 - 15:31

    *except.

    Depends what you are upgrading from, and your budget. What budget have you planned for? How much will you get for selling your current components?

    Hypetrain is the distraction, that builds confusion, that helps you fully commit to making the purchase.

    The ozbargain way (related to what you're asking) is about getting value. A PC is expected to last you years. If the price you pay gets maximum years, and its a big enough upgrade, then you are getting value.

    There is a lot to learn from the Radeon VII hype train. Great specs, similar price to 2080, not much comparison performance. You wouldnt know if its good enough until 1-2 weeks after its been released, then you have to wait for availability. Ryzen 3 will be a similar story.

    • Cunning Linguist on 11/03/2019 - 15:43
      +1

      Upgrading from a 7yo Athlon build.

      I've been ozbargaining my parts over time and combining CC cashback and points offers, birthday vouchers and good deals. I've accumulated some premium parts so far and on track to have a pretty nice build for under $1k out of pocket, of which is mostly going to the CPU and mobo.

      Build is
      Case: Fractal Design Define S2 (Gunmetal)
      HDD OS: Samsung 970 EVO m.2 500gb
      Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62
      Memory: Flare X 3200 CS14
      GPU: RX580 (using from my current rig for now - will upgrade this in the future but not a priority right now)
      PSU: 650w from my current build but might need to upgrade depending on what mobo I end up with

      Given how much (or little) I have managed to spend on this I'm thinking I won't mind paying a little extra for the new Ryzen

      • HighAndDry on 11/03/2019 - 17:04

        Fractal Design Define S2 (Gunmetal)

        Oh sweeeeet.

      • DarthAntz on 11/03/2019 - 17:42

        nice case.
        the RX580 will be good for sometime. No stress there. You're getting good advice here that others are bound to follow. Good thread.

  • HighAndDry on 11/03/2019 - 15:41

    What's the build and what are you using it for? Really, for anything other than high-end enterprise work I see no reason you'd need to go with the 3000 series at all.

    • Cunning Linguist on 11/03/2019 - 15:49
      +1

      Gaming, video editing, big data crunching and modelling (I'm a data scientist) and also enthusiast hobbying for the most part - I just like building beautiful machines.

      • HighAndDry on 11/03/2019 - 15:58

        Oh in that case you'll probably actually benefit from every advance in the 3000 series over the 2000, and should actually get that.

    • Diji1 on 11/03/2019 - 16:08

      Really, for anything other than high-end enterprise work I see no reason you'd need to go with the 3000 series at all.

      Just the worst advice, as per usual, saying that Ryzen 2000 series does everything other than esoteric enterprise usage. Just pretty much ignore this guy.

      • HighAndDry on 11/03/2019 - 16:11

        Yes, that's exactly what I said…..

  • Neilzy on 11/03/2019 - 16:24

    I'll be going the 3000 series when it drops.

    Mod: Removed private selling comment

    • Cunning Linguist on 11/03/2019 - 16:28

      heh tempting. out of curiousity will you be upgrading to a 500 series mobo or sticking with what you have? I'm assuming you have 400 series, and it sounds like bios updates will allow pcie x4 on the older series of mobos

      • Neilzy on 11/03/2019 - 16:31

        probally upgrade the mobo as well. have an x470 Crosshair 7 but will upgrade. just cause

  • StonedWizard on 11/03/2019 - 17:50

    Isn't Ryzen 3000 series rumoured to come out in the middle of the year or later?

    If you can wait you're better off getting 3000 series but there could possibly be an increase in price? I'd still personally wait as then you could get a 2700x on clearance for cheaper.

    • Cunning Linguist on 11/03/2019 - 18:16

      A couple of stores have started listing them already saying 4 - 8 weeks away, but not sure how trustworthy that is.

      If the 2k series launch is anything to go by, I recall the 1st gen going on clearance sale at least a month before that was released.

      You're right though, waiting until after launch might mean you can get a 2k series for even cheaper.

  • ozhunter on 11/03/2019 - 21:08

    It's hard to say the price to performance it will give compared to the 2700x. If you can wait, wait. If not just buy it now and enjoy the few months of having the 2700x now.

  • DarkOz on 12/03/2019 - 06:15

    If you wait for the 3000 series supadupa express choo choo train all the passengers travelling with you are going to be waiting with you. In the mean time all the passengers are going to be devalued until the choo choo train arrives.

    Computer parts are mean to be buy now and build now/soon. They will always devalue over time with a few exceptions as new models comes onto the market.

  • clouder on 13/03/2019 - 02:22

    I'd say wait for 3000 series. But if you want to build it now, just build it.

  • jlapr1 on 02/05/2019 - 20:27

    Asking myself the same question as OP. Any further insight now we're closer to Ryzen 3000 release? Really interested in whether the 2700X will drop in price much and with the crazy hype how overpriced ryzen 3000's might be around launch/in the months following. My last build was 7 years ago, so a little out of touch with pricing around release…

    • N1NJ4W4RR10R on 02/05/2019 - 21:54

      Not really, beyond expecting a computex full announcement/release there's nothing to give.

      I'd personally wait till then, so you either get a cheap 2700x or know to wait for 3k.

      If you need a pc in the mean time, pick up a 1st gen ryzen part (newegg if you wanna risk them or amazon should stock reasonably priced 1st gen parts) or budget 2k parts for the mean time.

      • jlapr1 on 03/05/2019 - 07:42

        Thanks, not in a rush so will wait and see

    • Cunning Linguist on 03/05/2019 - 12:57

      AMD are the keynote speakers at Computex on May 28th and it is expected that they will be officially releasing or at least announcing the not-far-off release date of the 3000 series there.

      It's win/win waiting for the annoucement. If the 3000 series suits you you'll be happy and if you prefer the bang for buck of the 2000 it will no doubt be even cheaper then.

      • jlapr1 on 03/05/2019 - 13:11

        Do you think pricing for the 3000 series will be fairly stable at and following release? Or would I be waiting some months for the hype train to die and stock levels normalise (especially here in AU)

        • Cunning Linguist on 03/05/2019 - 18:36
          +1

          No idea to be honest but typically that would be the case with any new release.

          The 1700X originally launched with a $569 price and it was succeeded by the more affordable $515 2700X.

          It would be great to see the 3000 series follow this trend and come out cheaper but we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

          Based on leaks so far the 3700x may not even be the 2700x equivalent. The 3700x is rumoured to be a 12 core 24 thread CPU so the the equivalent may actually be the 3600x, which is rumoured to be the 8 core 16 thread variation similar to the 2700x. Therefore it's possible we see equivalent pricing on the 2700x vs 3600x with the 3700x being at a higher premium.

          Saying that my understanding is that the 7nm 3000 chips is supposed to be cheaper to produce as they are easier to make with less wastage so who knows, it could turn out that the 3700x trumps the 2700x on both price and performance.

          Everything is pure speculation at this point but I would be confident on is that if you can wait for the 3000 series annoucenment you should at least get a much bigger pool of pricing and performance points to make a decision on.

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