NBN Compatibility with Old Internet Plug in New Rental Home

Schemza on 18/03/2019 - 21:17
Last edited 19/03/2019 - 11:05

Hi all,

We’ve recently moved into new home (an old one really) and have discovered no modern Ethernet wall ports in the house at all - not even one for a phone line.

The house is compatible with NBN (they’ll be coming out this week to install it) but the only ports related to the internet that we’ve found are these (https://imgur.com/a/oFKmX2K) which I’m not sure if they’re compatible with NBN or not.

One other thing I’m worried about as well is that real estate agents/landlords need to give approval before NBN is installed due to a box being physically installed.

The ways things are going with the real estate agent, I don’t see them helping with getting internet connectivity (even though the landlord can obviously say no, it’s their house) if these aren’t compatible - just frustration that I’d love anyone’s experience on.

My questions are:
1. Are these plugs compatible with NBN?
2. If a house isn’t internet ready, is there an obligation for renters to be informed?
3. Would the real estate agents/landlord need to approve NBN being installed due to a physical box being installed?
4. Whatever else you think I’ve missed

Once again, any thoughts are appreciated, especially if I’m wrong in any areas.

Thank you!

Edit: there is also a plug like this https://imgur.com/a/mAGRHXG - I’m not sure what the left plug is, but the right is for the tv antenna. Could this be it?
Edit 2: NBN type is Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC)*

Internet Broadband Modem Router nbn

Comments

  • Pikaloo on 18/03/2019 - 21:31
    -2

    no. The NBN plugs look like those for TV antenna, but screw in version of it.

    • samcro on 18/03/2019 - 21:39
      +4

      What?? Most premises will have FTTN which uses the telephone socket.

    • Schemza on 18/03/2019 - 21:45

      Similar to this? https://imgur.com/a/mAGRHXG (left side)
      You might be into something

      • yippy on 18/03/2019 - 21:51

        That's only useful if he's getting NBN via HFC and then it has to be a Telstra/Foxtel line and not Optus otherwise they need to pull in another cable.

    • pformag on 19/03/2019 - 11:35

      Only HFC

  • GangGang on 18/03/2019 - 21:31

    My parents have this with nbn and it works. They previously had asdl 2+ and only needed to change the modem/router for the nbn too work.

  • qwerty on 18/03/2019 - 21:32

    The NBN box will be installed near to that phone plug and the nbn cable will run off that to your modem

  • Domingo on 18/03/2019 - 21:38
    +6

    It depends what access type you are getting over the nbn - if it is HFC or FTTP, nbn's installers will install a new wall plate.

    If it is FTTC, then nbn will hook the other side of your phone line up and provide you with a reverse power unit. Likely they will only provide an RJ11 to RJ11 cable for this - if so, they may install a wallplate to the existing wires on the back of that 600 series socket, or potentially provide you with an adapter (although that would be non-ideal as an unnecessary point of noise ingress). Alternatively, it may be up to you to resolve that - best bet here is to check with your service provider. You'll need to arrange for a modem through your service provider as well (or BYO)

    If it is FTTN, then nbn will hook the other side of your phone line up at the node and won't attend your house. It is then up to your telco to provide you with a modem (or for you to BYO) and connect it.

    Best bet is to call your service provider, tell them you have a 600 series phone socket and ask what happens in that scenario. It won't be that uncommon.

    • Schemza on 18/03/2019 - 21:47

      600 series socket! Also, thanks for your explaination - really helpful

    • dcep on 18/03/2019 - 22:39

      what if it's HFC and has existing telstra foxtel port ?

      • Domingo on 18/03/2019 - 22:45

        the only ports related to the internet that we’ve found are these (https://imgur.com/a/oFKmX2K)

        If there was an existing wall plate with a foxtel port, I assume OP would have included a photo of it

    • alvian on 19/03/2019 - 04:32
      +2

      With a house old enough to be still using a 610 socket, it is unlikely to be equipped with an external NTD. In this case that 610 socket belongs to NBN. Since 600 series connectors are deprecated, the NBN installer is authorised to replace it with an approved socket. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/7068957/redir

  • follow on 18/03/2019 - 21:49
    +1

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/jackson-605-to-rj12-45-modular-t…

    you'll need that adaptor if you're getting fttn or fttc.

    • GangGang on 19/03/2019 - 07:26
      +1

      Surely people aren't buying these? I have heaps stocked from the adsl days 😂

  • twadds on 18/03/2019 - 22:43
    +2

    To answer this question we need to know what type of NBN you'll be getting.

    Go to the NBN website https://www.nbnco.com.au/ and enter your address and click view results and then come back and tell us what it says under "Planned Technology"

    • Randxyz123 on 19/03/2019 - 00:01

      This!

    • Schemza on 19/03/2019 - 11:05

      Planned technology
      nbn™ Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC)*

      • Randxyz123 on 19/03/2019 - 11:10
        +1

        Ok so it will be going in via your Foxtel cable. They should be able to install another point if the existing on isn’t in an acceptable place for the modem.

        • Schemza on 19/03/2019 - 11:17

          Thank you kindly!

          • me4president on 19/03/2019 - 14:41

            @Schemza: I've had NBN HFC installed, they come and usually drill a hole and where the phone box is and run the cable to the closest point possible. Which maybe the front of the house.
            Your current phoneline/600 socket will cease to be useful as the phone line will come through the NBN connection.
            The service provider coming to install NBN will provide an NBN box, your internet service provider if you have signed upto one will send you a modem router (you will need to set this up yourself for wifi etc).

            Its best to check with the real estate agent and the owner on getting NBN, I dont think they will refuse it as its a government rollout.
            The real estate agent and owner's only concern should be the hole in the wall for the NBN socket, the box is not installed in the wall, rather is just connected.

            Note you will need a power outlet nearby for 2 things to consistently run: NBN box and Internet service provider modem router.

  • knightslay2 on 18/03/2019 - 23:01

    I would suggest to find out what NBN technology you will be connected to.

  • Davo1111 on 18/03/2019 - 23:20
    -3

    (they’ll be coming out this week to install it)

    oh that's good of you to get the Landlords permission before organising install.

    • brad1-8tsi on 19/03/2019 - 07:34

      Landlords permission not required.

      You'd contact them as a courtesy and to get reimbursed.

  • [Deactivated] on 19/03/2019 - 00:09

    Omg, I have nbn in every room. Might take out the atari 2600. Hopefully there's an online upgrade.

  • whooah1979 on 19/03/2019 - 00:14

    is that real estate agents/landlords need to give approval before NBN is installed due to a box

    Is this on the inside or outside of the premises?

  • alvian on 19/03/2019 - 03:30
    +1
    1. Are these plugs compatible with NBN?
    2. If a house isn’t internet ready, is there an obligation for renters to be informed?
    3. Would the real estate agents/landlord need to approve NBN being installed due to a physical box being installed?
    1. Yes via an adapter for FTTN/C NBN. Cheaper here. Talk to the NBN installer, s/he might replace that sad socket with an RJ12/45 for you, and might relocate it to a better position. The socket and lead-in cable belong to NBN (if an external NTD isn't used); they are on its side of the network boundary (sections 3.1.2.1, 4.2 & 4.3). It is NBN's responsibility to look after them.
    2. Don't know. Depends on whether NBN (or telephone via NBN) is defined as an essential service like water & electricity.
    3. No, NBN does not require permission from owners to install its equipment. But you should tell the owner via your agent as a courtesy and to have your expenses reimbursed.
    • ordinaryboy on 19/03/2019 - 10:17

      re: 2. I'm sure it varies state by state, but in NSW if a telephone connection is present when a tennant moves in, the landlord is responsible for ensuring it works:

      "In the case Varghese v Liang & Huang (Tenancy) [2008] NSWCTTT 973, the premises had a phone socket. The tenant assumed there was a working landline but there was not. The Tribunal found that the landlord is responsible for ensuring a landline is available unless there is a specific exclusion in the tenancy agreement."

  • katrodiyar on 19/03/2019 - 13:55

    I have got NBN(FTTN) and I was using same socket as you shown in the picture and there were no issue with internet.

  • jabbairc on 10/04/2019 - 00:16

    Hi guys, just need some help to understand, I'm getting FTTC so understand it uses the phone line

    My Q is do I get to choose where they put it (new location?) or am I bound to the same current wall socket used for ADSL 2+?

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