I'm just curious, is it possible for police to issue parking fines without getting out of their vehicle? E.g the police drove by a temporary stationary car in a "No standing zone" but the police never stopped?
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Serenixia on 25/04/2019 - 14:40
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Perhaps not in VIC, but in NSW they do.
http://www.lawaccess.nsw.gov.au/Pages/representing/lawassist…
NSW Police or the Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) can give fines for traffic offences.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-07/nsw-police-backflip-o…
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/council-parking-fin…
parking fine revenue is expected to hit $208 million this year and just over $8.5 million worth has been issued by NSW police,
OP is in Vic…so what tshow said is correcct.
What about parked in a clearway?
Legal Aid VIC.
https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/sites/www.legalaid.vic.gov.a…Issuing parking fines – the basics
Who is allowed to issue a parking fine?
Only authorised people can issue parking fines. These include police officers, some council officers and some VicRoads officers.Webcache link.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2SiL69…
Having been given a parking ticket in Victoria, when I lived there, by the police, I can assure you, the police in Victoria certainly do issue parking tickets. Even went to court for this particular ticket.
That being said, it wasn’t a “over stay parking meter/time” type of ticket. It was a little more serious. It was either no stopping zone or clearway, but it was most certainly done by police.
Thanks! I stand corrected.
My experience is that Police attend drive-by rather than conduct them.
Yes it is possible.
How's getting out of the car going to change anything?
Yes, Stonnington Council (not the Police) are doing this for clearways on Toorak Road in South Yarra, VIC. My mate got done twice :). Two councils officers in a car driving past: one driving, the other taking photos of the cars parked in a clearway. They take photos and send you a souvenir of the moment and a bill for their services :/
They are lucky usually you get towed in a clear way which is around $600
This was when people wait in their car (in the clearway lane) 5 mins before the clearway period ends - the council were basically driving past and taking photos then…
how does getting out of the car change anything?
I think what OP is asking is, if it’s done electronically & automatically (like scanning license plates) without them having to stop or get out.
I imagine this will be the case in the near future, along with false positive face-recognition & pre-cog crime prediction & genetic analysis of newborns for potential to commit certain crimes.
(I am serious about the last one, there is already a AI system which assists in predicting the likely-hood of certain crimes in certain areas and by certain people, using all previously & currently collected data.
In an interview with an American precinct using this technology, they said soon they will have the ability to walk into a delivery room of a newborn baby, and inform the mother the probability of their baby committing certain crimes and their resulting, if affected, life expectancy.)Vincent's parents are planning a second child, and are shown four candidate embryos
Geneticist: You have specified hazel eyes, dark hair and fair skin. I've taken the liberty of eradicating any potentially prejudicial conditions. Premature baldness, myopia… alcoholism and addictive susceptibility… propensity for violence, obesity, etc.
Maria: We didn't want… Diseases, yes, but— [looks at Antonio]
Antonio: We were just wondering if it's good to leave a few things to chance?
Geneticist: We want to give your child the best possible start. Believe me, we have enough imperfection built in already. Your child doesn't need any more additional burdens. Keep in mind, this child is still you. Simply the best of you. You could conceive naturally a thousand times and never get such a result.
And we all know what happens to Vincent when he grows up, don't we? If not, go and watch Gattaca
Great film, I have been staying away from it for awhile now (long enough it seems) and it’s time for a second viewing.
It's been a while for me too. Last time I saw it, I was at uni , hanging out with a friend. We're now married with 3 kids :)
@[Deactivated]: Kind of going off to the side here, but I must add that I think Ethan Hawke does a brilliant job with his performances. They may lacking in the intense ‘stand-out’ performance aspect, but I always find him performing in a very honest way, which makes you forget you are watching a film and instead are watching a real person.
So in a sense he is a more than accomplished actor, but you can easily miss his name or forget what he starred in.I only recently came to realise he starred in many films I think are great, from his past performances in Gattaca & Training Day, to his more recent ones in Before The Devil Knows Your Dead, Predestination & First Reformed.
I’m sure there are more films but these are the ones I remember upon appreciating Ethan Hawke.makes you forget you are watching a film and instead are watching a real person.
Isn't that what acting is all about? :)
IMHO,his acting is serviceable but never memorable. His best scenes in Gattaca were with Jude Law. Hawke only shines when he has a a good actor being used by the story-writer/director as a foil for his character. In and of himself, he's pretty meh.
To quote his ex-wife, "Nah! I didn't believe him when he said he wasn't sleeping with the nanny. Without a good script , his acting is pretty p!$$-poor!" and I concur, Uma Thurmann!
Disclaimer: Uma may or may not have actually said that quote out loud ,but she most definitely was thinking it.
Edit: Have you seen the Ethan-Hawke-free movie , Ex Machina? Highly recommended , if you haven't :)
@[Deactivated]: Yes I think he plays the supporting actor quite well, but I also think he’s done some good leads. I appreciate his contribution. Sometimes I often appreciate less renowned actors (others would be Liam Neeson & Nicolas Cage but there are many more performances I have been impressed by).
I would recommend ‘Adaptation’.
Yes I have seen Ex Machina, but found something off about it, possibly incomplete.
That’s just my opinion though, I normally do enjoy Sci-fi.@thebadmachine: I never minded Nicholas Cage until I saw him in Ghost Rider. I've added 'Adaptation' on my list of movies to watch. Thanks for the recommendation :)
Re: Ex Machina, perhaps the ending wasn't quite as cathartic as you hoped?
Since we're so far off-topic ( apologies to OP!), I might as well ask you: what are your thoughts on 'The shape of water'? It's one of those movies that I got dragged to by my wife to see when it came out…and which I, surprisingly, thoroughly enjoyed. But I find really hard to recommend it to mates. Have you seen it ? Did you like it?
@[Deactivated]: Quick reply as another sorry to OP.
Ex Machina just felt incomplete throughout, maybe it just felt off-pace to me.
I do enjoy the whole Turing-test idea, just thought it could have been more refined / done differently.
Edit: Artificial Intelligence by Spielberg was more complete in my eyes (especially after a recent viewing).
The most memorable part was when David asks his mother Monica if she will die, she says yes but not to worry for it will be ages, 50 years at least. And David says he hopes she’ll never die.
Then you realise the true distance between them, for David her life will go by in the blink of an eye.The shape of water I am yet to see, kind of gave that one a pass / lowered priority.
genetic analysis of newborns for potential to commit certain crimes
Unlikely genetics has a huge role to play other than psychopaths with some genetic brain issue.
Nurture side is probably larger predictor. If you are from say low socioeconomic areas or parents already doing crimes/drugs the "AI" could predict you have higher risk of offending in say property crime, based on previous policing data it had available to it. I doubt they have DNA profiled all the criminals over last x years and found a common crime gene.
I am mentioning genetic analysis as a precursor to the future.
I think, One day AI will be able to analyse data without the help of human data analysts and will be able to analyse and learn more from it than ever thought possible.
You are forcing yourself into thinking in a way that makes sense.
Through analysing tonnes of data patterns emerge, and ‘in the future’, those patterns may contribute to some kind of genetic analysis which we can understand and use to make predictions on behaviour & probability.There is commercial based AI software that can already analyse data without much human intervention and it can learn over time what people are interested in seeing. You just pay a lot of $$$ to the developer companies for accessing it.
@Gandalf the Thrifty: Yup, still i think it’s important to remember we are still in the technological dark age.
And for most advanced data gathering & processing there is still employment for ‘data analysts’ to sort the data before feeding it to the AI.
Soon though yes, it will be all end to end AI.
I find it interesting how quickly the world will be communicating / progressing at that stage.
I think the solution to fighting crime will be much more complex than just simply identifying a gene and eliminating it. That would be more the narrative for a story.
They use predictive software in some US police areas for where to place squad cars to reduce traffic crashes in peak hours, so tech need not be all abouts fighting crime.
@Gandalf the Thrifty: Yes I agree of course, sorry to be only mentioning the darker side, there are many areas where AI can lend a helpful hand. The particular precinct I mentioned used it for more serious crimes as well (it was a moderately violent city, rated higher risk than average). (From what I remember they were at the forefront of using the technology, therefore those people involved were concerned about the morality of it in the future).
Also boots on the ground were seriously shocked but empowered by its accuracy, even down to the particular high risk person and which crime and how soon they will commit it (almost minority report stuff), although the law is still behind and it is all very confusing to them if & how the laws will change due to the technology.
No standing zone???
Was it actually a no “stopping” or no “parking” zone? Or is Victoria still that backwards that they still use “no standing”??
Probably neither. IIRC it is a capital S with a slash through it. We can't afford the paint or the sign real estate to use full words.
The “S” with a red line through it is “no stopping”
The relevant Aust. Road Rule is 167.
167 No stopping signs
A driver must not stop on a length of road or in an area to which a no stopping sign applies.
In NSW "YES". Causes issues where they are in a disabled zone or have special permits, Police (HWP) drive by and issue a penalty, not checking the person has a permit.
But they generally like to stop as it wastes more time for them.
Police do not issue parking fines.