Purchased Laptop on Facebook Marketplace. Paid Money to Person Who Had Stolen Someones ID

Hey guys, apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong section of the site I'm just not quite sure what my best options are regarding being a victim of online fraud/theft for a deal that took place on Facebook marketplace (go figure)

For convenience sake I will refer to the person who has frauded me as "Larry" and the person wHo has his identity stolen as "Barry"

I recently sent funds to a bank account for a new laptop however it has since turned out that
1) the seller was using a fake profile and had stolen someone else's ID. (I had asked for photo I.D with address and he had sent me photos of license and passport of the person's identity he had stolen)

2) the seller has since blocked me after receiving funds

3) I managed to get in contact with the person whos identity was stolen (Barry) to which he has confirmed that he had made a mistake on his own end and sent photo ID to Larry as it turns out that Barry had previously sold aforementioned laptop to Larry and Larry had requested ID to which Larry has since masqueraded as Barry online.

4) I have since managed to obtain what i strongly believe to be Larry's address given Barry had previously sent the laptop to this address.

Given that I have Larry's bank account details as well as his address and his real name (it is vietnamese if that helps..?),evidence that fraud has taken place via screenshotsof measages (i am considering printing these out to build my "case") as well as evidence from Larry thT he has had his identity stolen by Barry, is there any way I can get the money I've transferred back?

I've previously been a victim of fraud before and the most my bank could do was "request " the funds to be transferred back from the other bank (NAB) to which the criminal on the other end can simply just refuse the request and the case is then closed. That's it.

So given that this time both Larry and I are with Commbank, what is the best way for me to get my money back?
I have considered paying a friendly visit to Larry but his house is quite secure and is a 2 Storey house thus not as convenient..)

Any input would be greatly appreciated, thank you:)

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  • +8 votes

    police matter.

  • -2 votes

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    • +3 votes

      I'm a longtime lurker who normally looks for a good tech deal or whatever promos food outlets are doing as I'm a huge foodie but I've decided to make an account as a majority of the people on here have a wealth of knowledge and experience that I wish to draw upon

      • +8 votes

        Welcome to OzBargain. This is a place where people are careful and savvy with their money.

        Hope you fit in.

        • +2 votes

          And either fall into the "have car insurance, don't buy things on gumtree by bank transfer" or the "don't have car insurance and transfer any sum of money to anyone for anything on gumtree" camp.

  • +2 votes

    I’m pretty sure Larry isn’t a Viet name.
    Have you gone to the station and talked to the cops yet?

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      I used Larry just for convenience sake but I have a strong feeling that Larry is also here on a visa, as for how I'm going to use that to my knowledge is TBD.
      I haven't gone to the cops yet as this occurred over the space of about a week or so and have only gathered/finalized the evidence today not to mention today was the first day I managed to successfully make contact with Barry who s information was very useful to me today.
      I will most likely go tomorrow and then hit up CBA

  • +3 votes

    If you are the victim of an online fraud or scam you should report the incident to the Australian Cybercrime Online Reporting Network (ACORN).

    https://www.afp.gov.au/what-we-do/crime-types/cyber-crime/on...

    Mistaken Internet Payments
    If the money is still in the other person’s bank account …the funds [may, depending on how quickly you reported] be returned to you. If the money is not in the other person’s account when the receiving bank is notified, then the receiving bank must make a reasonable attempt to get the money back

    https://www.afca.org.au/about-afca/publications/

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      I have previously reported a matter to them but they did not respond as such I have very little faith in them, however I am still considering filing a report witb acorn, just hesitant with wasting my time

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        They have limited funding so will investigate a limited amount of cases. They likely prioritise based on people who lost the largest amounts and stopping repeat offenders. It costs nothing to put in a report so you may as well and even if it is just a laptop after a year or so if person has repeat offended enough then perhaps they will become a priority.

        If you have waited more than 7 days to tell your bank, their powers are reduced. If you get scammed a 3rd time, make sure to call them first.

      • +4 votes

        I have previously reported a matter to them

        Ok just stop buying things online

  • +4 votes

    What difference does the house being two-story make?

    Side note: Why do people keep buying expensive stuff on gumtree and Facebook by bank transfer?

  • +3 votes

    Bikies vs Vietnamese gang

    This is interesting

  • +5 votes

    Frauder / Non-Frauder would have been better 'names' for the story.

    Is this even a question? Police matter.

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    You should try contacting your bank to see if they can reverse the direct deposit (I am not sure they will be able to but it can't hurt to try).

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      I've just tried calling them and they said because it's fraud it now becomes a legal matter…if it was a scam on the other hand I believe I would have been protected, at least according to the call operator from commonwealth.. :/

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        and the police will probably try and tell you it's a civil matter

  • +2 votes

    Is Larry's surname Nguyen by any chance?

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    “I bought something on gumtree/Facebook and was scammed” seems to be the new OzB meme…

    Police report, hand that to the bank as evidence of fraud, wait with both police and bank sit on their hands…

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      Can you tell me what you know of this process? I.e what sort of communications will be held between the bank and the police? As well as an estimated time frame for this type of case? Cheers

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    Was Larry supposed to post the laptop to you?

    As he apparently lives near you…. why didn’t you set up a meet?

    • +1 vote

      Nah Larry was the person who's identity was stolen and lives very far from me (he's in Wodonga whereas I'm in Melbourne CBD )

      Barry on the other hand is in Springvale however whilst posing as Larry he stated Melbourne was too far as the ID he had showed me (which was Larry's) indicated he was in Wodonga as such as such we agreed to ship the item..hence the current situation

      On another note, if anyone knows anything about burning houses, extortion or blackmail please PM me
      Bikies welcome

  • +2 votes

    marketplace (Facebook / Gumtree) = cash and pickup

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    Is there any way I can get the money I've transferred back?

    Yes. Present your evidence to the police and see if they are willing to take this on as a prosecution. Otherwise, lawyer up and pursue this through the civil courts.

    The bank, quite rightly, isn't going to do anything.

  • +1 vote

    If someone sends you a copy of their ID over the Internet just like that, that's probably a red flag.

    I would never have given someone my ID like that (perfect recipe for identity fraud).

  • +2 votes

    Has been scammed before.
    Falls for likely scam on Facebook marketplace and pays via direct debit
    I suspect there is a good chance op will be getting scammed again at some point.

  • +1 vote

    I would never have given someone my ID like that (perfect recipe for identity fraud).

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    Hire liam Neeson.

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