Body Corp Advice - AC + Solar

Have just purchased my first townhouse and am due to settle on the 21st October. The upstairs (bedrooms) have no air conditioning and I wanted to get AC installed. I'm also very keen on getting solar installed because of how few years it would take to pay off the investment.

Unfortunately both of these improvements cost over $3000 each and include work on common property, so are subject to body corp rules. This means that they would need to be put before the entire owners group as a motion at a general meeting as opposed to getting approved by the committee.

I wanted to get a multi-split AC so that there's a single inverter with 3 separate heads (potentially less issues getting approval because it would be 1 external inverter, instead of 3). There's already one inverter on the East side of the house for the downstairs AC, so some precedent exists there. Solar might be more of an issue because the roof is relatively small with East-West facing so would need to have panels on both sides with the East side facing other houses/the culdesac.

The way I see it, there's 3 possible options here and just wanted to get some feedback on what the best way to go about this would be.

1) Pay the $600 fee to call a general meeting to hopefully get all the works approved at once. This couldn't happen until at least a month after we move in, and would be dead in the middle of summer - so not likely to get AC or Solar installed at that stage until the end of summer.
2) Get a single split system installed in the main bed with the aim of installing 2 more in the spare rooms in the coming months. These improvements could be approved by committee, but would require 3 separate inverters - with each approval adding more detractors to the appearance of common property (potentially decreasing chance of approval every time). That being said, only one (main bed) would be on the externally-visible side of the building, with the extra 2 being on the private yard side. Would also put a standard motion in for solar installation and enquire around the owners to see if anyone wanted to split the cost of calling an extraordinary general meeting.
3) Struggle through summer with an old portable/window unit that I currently have and just put the motions in for the next AGM (wouldn't be until end of October 2020).

I'm leaning towards option 1 or option 2 because I stand to save around $1200 a year just by getting solar installed ASAP, which kind of offsets the cost of calling an extraordinary general meeting.

Just wanted to get some feedback on how likely it would be that owners would approve these improvements based on people's past experiences, and which direction I should head. I'm a bit fearful of solar approval because there aren't that many townhouses in the complex which do have solar (looks to be 4 out of around 80). If it helps, the Strata management group is QBS Management, who were acquired by PICA Group back in April of this year.

TIA for any tips!

Comments

  • +3

    Another option: Email strata manager and ask them to conduct an email ballot to see if you have majority of owners in favour. If so, then you can pay to hold a meeting to get formal approval.

    If others don't have solar or AC, may be worth also raising with other owners where each lot is to put solar panels on the roof and/or AC units should other owners want to do the same as you. Also consider addressing any costs should common roof tiles be damaged if you are allowed to put solar on - just shows other owners that you are trying to be thoughtful and proactively addressing any fears they may have.

    • Good call. Would definitely feel better about fronting the $600 cost if it was all likely to get across the line.

      And great tips on assurances. I'd always intended to pay for any damages caused by installation/maintenance, but outlining that in the proposal is definitely worthwhile.

  • How many units are in that building on the corner?

    I'm in a small 8 unit complex with 7 owner/occupiers. We just do email polls among ourselves and copy in the strata manager so he has a record on file.

    AC: There's already an AC unit there so a precedent has been set. That's good.
    You're rules are totally different to ours so that's all I can say.

    Solar: In my complex we each have our own "roof area" (we are a row of 3 story terraces). The external roof cladding is common property. I asked recently if I could put a solar PV above my property and there was the issue of who pays if the body corporate roof leaks due to penetrations from the solar mounting fasteners or wiring penetrations.
    We decided there was a high potential for dispute and have agreed that once we finish some planned structural changes to the roofline (4 of us are adding a 4th bedroom) that the strata will fit a system as big as we are allowed (probably 10kw) and use the FIT to subsidise our strata fund.

    IOW, I don't like your chances.

    If that whole building is yours then I can't see why anyone would object. I'd even try for a group buy.

    • Hmm, definite food for thought on the solar issues and potential reasons it may be denied. Hadn't even considered liability from the installation itself! Will definitely have to bide my time on that I think and gauge the owners' feelings.

      The building has 2 units in it. Mine occupies about 65-70% of the space, so unfortunately the roof is shared. The boundary line for the roof lies here. This is why it would need to occupy both East and West sides of the roof.

      • +1

        One of our residents (prior to my purchase last year) put a dormer window into the 45 degree roof line of a top floor store room and also "bought" some of the airspace above the car park driveaway.

        During construction the BC handed the risk / responsibility site to the builder. At the end of construction after an independent building assessment the site was signed back over to the BC and the BC "purchased" the ongoing risk to the common property (it was about $20k). So anything is possible with planning and negotiation.

        The Solar PV on my GF's house is E/W. Currently generating 3kw. Peaked at 12.40 - 3.8kw. It's not ideal but not terrible. Would be a lot better with micro-inverters or an Enphase system

  • Air Con shouldnt be a drama… Already precedent by having the existing unit.
    - Owners may however request you install the external unit within your courtyard so can't be seen from the road.

    Solar, not sure here, you could always wait until the AGM and add it onto the general business agenda, save your $600 (thats what we do in NSW, not sure about QLD). $600 for a general meeting seems crazy ps. I imagine you'll need a bylaw drawn up (unless one exists for the townhouses with existing solar), which usually costs at least $600 also. Surely the existing solar on other townhouses is precendent for approval also…

    • $600 for a meeting is crazy, yes. But the reason I'm considering it is that the AGM happens literally 10 days after we move in, with the cutoff for motions being 31st July 2019. So we would have to wait over an entire year for the next AGM. In a year, I could save up to $1.2k on Solar, which is why the cost of calling an EGM isn't such a hard pill for me to swallow (providing it actually gets approved).

  • -2

    Maybe you shouldn't doxx yourself?

  • Oh boy!

    Is there a way to get the solar system just to go on your own personal property so that you don't need body corp approval? I was in a similar situation and ended up doing my non-preferred option just because it was simpler.

    For the solar - definitely worth trying to do this, but again, a strata disaster. Is it "your" roof space that you want to build on, or a shared roof? I'd suggest talking to other owners before a GM, as others have said, to see if your motion would pass and get buy-in. If you start talking to an installer they may be able to help with this.

    You could also think about getting other people excited about putting solar on their own part of the roof or a shared system - there's a growing amount of support for this for strata-titled units. That could help to mean more people benefit and support your cause.

    • Unfortunately the only parts of a property you own in a strata plan like this are anything inside the walls of your house (don't even own the ceiling space). So the only option is full body corp approval. The building has 2 units, so about 60% of the roof is "my" roof (but owned by body corp). Here's the border lines of it.

      Good call on getting others interested. I feel like so many people think solar is still a 10+ year investment to pay off. If I can drum up hype and let them know they could have it paid off in as few as 3 years, they might all want solar. Gonna have to get my best salesman on!

  • If some units have Solar as you say, then might pay to check approval wasn’t already granted for all units as a blanket ruling. Talk to the owners of the units with Solar and see if they can recall, before going through Owners Corporation records.

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