I'm Moving Because of Leaking and Mould but The Owner Is Already Booking Inspections to New Tenants

Hi guys. I'm renting a house in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne. We moved in about 20 months ago and since then every time there is rain in Melbourne, there is a leak in the kitchen's roof. It's very annoying as I have to keep buckets and cloths. The amount of water is enough to fill half a bucket in 24 hours depending on how heavy the rain is. I've been complaining since week one, the real estate sent a lot of people to check and repair the roof. One guy said the only way to solve the problem was to do the roof again, but then they sent a different company that kept visiting for repairs (about 7x) without solving the problem. After 20 months, the leak is still there. Where is the leak we can see that the wood is darker (mould?).

Two weeks ago, we also found a huge infiltration under the carpet inside the wardrobe, with about 1sqm of mould. I don't know where the water is coming from as there are no signs on the walls. We recently bought an off-the-plan apartment that will be ready next year, so we were hoping the problem would be solved and that we could stay here for a few months and move to our apartment in mid-2020. Once we found the infiltration and the mood, we decided we cannot wait, so we are moving in two weeks (and spending a lot of money that we were not intending to spend now).

Four weeks ago, a new property manager took over the property and they did an inspection when I showed the problems. It's been two weeks and they haven't done anything about that. To make things worse, yesterday they sent a message asking if we could open the house today for an inspection to new tenants. I am outraged because they are planning on renting the property to new tenants without addressing the issues.

I have three questions for you guys.

The first is regarding claiming compensation for extra expenses we've had in the last 20 months, not being able to enjoy our space 100%, and sometimes even avoiding inviting friends to come over, and a lot of additional cycles using the washing machine to clean the cloths we use in the leaking, keeping the air conditioner ON more than we would, etc. Months ago I even presented with respiratory symptoms that might be related to the humidity and mould. Obviously, a lot of those things are subjective and difficult to quantify but I don't wanna just leave it; I think the owner has to be penalised someway.

My second question is regarding the notice of intention to vacate the property. I sent a letter to the agent with a date (23 days notice), and she replied saying that's 28 days so I will have to pay a few days extra. I know that usually it is 28 days but with the problems I am describing could I use one of those different reasons (repairs not performed, etc.) to leave in 14 days?

Finally, how can I try to make the owner address the issues before renting the house to other people? I feel frustrated when I imagine a family moving here with children and going through the same issues we have been going through for almost two years. I talked to the neighbour and she said the family who lived here before complained about the mould and leaking, which means that the owner is not doing anything about this. We are paying 4k/month, that's ridiculous how the owner can just keep fooling people without taking any responsibility.

I am not a lawyer and all the information that I have is from things I've read on the internet (TUV website, etc.). I've been living in Australia for five years and the only thing I see here is that owners seem to have a lot of rights but their obligations are often overlooked and neglected.

I'd appreciate your feedback, particularly if you have a better understanding of the Australian (VIC) laws.

I've found the other discussion but that doesn't answer all my questions.

Comments

  • Is it mandatory to stay for the entire lease term? I.e. if a new family moves in and they dont appreciate all this can they not just give notice and leave?

    • +1

      If there's black mould it's treated as an emergency repair afaik, so if the new tenant knew they could put it to get it fixed, and if it doesn't get fixed, they could breach and get out of there

    • Moving is painful… A new family will spend 2-3k with removalists, then after one week, they will see the leak in the kitchen's roof… That's what happened to us… Then the roof guy comes in and says it's probably done, you have to wait until the next rain to know if it's solved or not… Then it's not… you contact the real estate, after one week the roof guy is there again… he says he needs some extra material and will come back in the next few days. He comes back after a week, says it's probably repaired… Next shower after two weeks, it's leaking… you contact the real estate, they say the gonna talk to the owner and send a different guy… After one week a different team comes in, they spend two hours there and say that's probably fixed… Next rain after one week, it's leaking again… That's what happens week after week… You get tired and start accepting that you will live with a bucket in the kitchen… You have other things to do in your life… When it's dry you forget for a few days or weeks, then it's there again… I am a good person and I don't want anyone (else) to have to go through this…

      My point is it's never "just leave"… People have to find a house, organise moving… it's a process that might take a while…

      • +7

        I have been through a similar situation. One of the roof repairers came inside without examining the roof of the house and told me the issue was a broken tile. I advised him that if he could 100% guarantee that was the issue I would get up on the roof and fix it myself and never bother him again, he was adamant. I walked him outside and asked him to point out which tile he thought was the issue. Was fun watching his face drop as he realised we had a colorbond roof,

  • +2

    We are paying 4k/month

    Holy crap, for a leaky shitty house?!

    • The house is huge, good location, has a lot of natural light and a nice backyard for the dog, bathrooms and kitchen are renovated (apart from the kitchen's roof). That's a "normal/usual" cost for this kind of house in this location considering the ridiculous house market. That shouldn't be a problem if everything else was fine.

  • +8

    BTW, I accepted the open inspection and will keep the wardrobe open, and I've also drawn arrows on the roof using chalk to show where the water is coming from…

  • Keep buckets in place when potential tenants come so they can see them and ask what they're for.

    When it rains next remove the buckets and let the water trash the place. Then call the agent for emergency service. You've done your bit reporting the problem numerous times and holding the fort - phuck lazy landlords and their agents, let them feel the cost of their own irresponsibilities.

  • So it turns out the previous tenant went to VCAT regarding the leak and mould. I've contacted her to get more information but that's probably my next step. The owner is benefiting from his position (and he vulnerability of the tenants) to avoid doing the repairs. I have photos of the kitchen with buckets at different moments, and all the dozens emails about the issue. Now I have to spend 3k moving because the owner hasn't addressed the problem (again).

    According to TUV, I could claim compensation up to 10k for not being able to enjoy the space and all the extra spend because of the leak.

    BTW, the inspection today didn't happen and I haven't been contacted by the agent.

  • We are paying 4k/month

    I felt sorry for you until saw how much you’re paying for this enjoyment.

    • If you can afford to pay that much you can afford a lawyer! How many families live in your house?

      If you change your story from mould and leaking roof to the house is haunted by a demonic spirit that will make it far more interesting.

      • +1

        Hardlyworkin You are missing the point. How much I pay and why I decided to live in this particular neighbourhood, or how many bedrooms I need and who is living with me is totally irrelevant. Perhaps next time I am renting, you can come together to decide if the property is appropriate for me and my family, and make your own judgement.
        You don't know anything about my life, what I do, where I live, and if it is difficult for me to pay the 4k/month or not. You don't know what are the internal and external areas of the house either… A three or four-bedroom, 600sqm renovated house in Kew? Maybe I have enough money to pay a lawyer, maybe not… The fact is that I don't have to pay a lawyer if I go to VCAT.

        For example, let's consider a scenario in which I live and work in South Yarra, and have an income of over 500K a year… Let's say I bought a property that has tenants living in, and that will be available only in July next year… So I am a landlord and I decide to rent a place for a few months until I can move to my own property. Then we have the same situation… I am paying 4k/month, I walk 5 minutes to work every day, I don't spend any money with petrol, public transport, or parking. Maybe my husband works for that company and I am a housewife with four kids. I could fimagine several reasons why someone could be paying 4k/month, and the fact that whooah1979 believes he/she shouldn't feel sorry because I am paying 4k/month is a reversal of values. It's like penalising someone for (apparently) having money without knowing anything else about that person.

        The point is… it doesn't matter how much I am paying for the property… it shouldn't be leaking, it shouldn't have mould…

        • It is unfortunate that you have to deal with leaks and mould. My point is that as a doctor paying 4k rent per month, you can probably overcome this problem much easier that someone on struggle street.

  • Just an update. I became aware that the previous tenant took the owner to VCAT and got 11k as compensation. The decision was made 12 months ago and the owner hasn't learned her lesson. I had access to numerous requests for repairs that haven't been approved by the owner, and she now plays the poor me card and wants to convince me that she didn't know about the problems. BS!

    I talked to the previous property manager and one of the guys who came to repair the roof, and I am horrified/disgusted by the owners repetitive behaviour. It is reported that the VCAT member was infuriated and asked her to stop playing dumb.

    Anyway, apparently the creature is willing to accept my offer. She will give my last paid rent back, will make an additional deposit of 3.5k so I can pay the removalists, and I will leave without cleaning the house and have my bond back on the same day. Then we are done.

    I was trying to get a copy of the previous VCAT file but I don't have the reference number so it might take a few days. I hope I don't need that anymore.

    • This is clearly a numbers game the landlord. They are making more money by not repairing the leaks.

      • They swear they are doing whatever they have to do now but I don't believe… That's why I gonna send a copy of my emails to the next tenant in case they keep playing the same game. The next-door neighbour knows everything so it won't be hard to take the owner to VCAT again. That's just ridiculous.

    • Wow 14.5k in total. How much does the entire roof replacement cost?

      • I don't know where you got this number from, but the owner doesn't seem to feel motivated to replace the roof yet.

        It's a flat roof that apparently was built when the owner decided to separate the house and make two houses a few years ago. He and his builders did a terrible job, the flat roof connects to the previous root. I don't know who approved that considering that Australia is so over-regulated for most things, but water, gas, and electricity were also mixed up when they divided the house… The next door neighbour was paying for gas for almost one year when they found out she was paying for the first and part of the second house too. They had to re-do the pipes.

        The owners get near 8k a month renting the two houses so 14k for them is less than two months of rent. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they might only do something about the roof if they go to jail.

        • The previous tenant was compensated 11K and now you get 3.5K back, totaling 14.5K . I assume the cost of replacing the entire roof is much more than that so the owner does not want to do that.

          • @duluxe2000: I'm getting 3.5k + this month's rent, which proportionally will be about 5.5k, but you are probably right. The owner doesn't want to spend the money. They keep getting away with that, which shows how the system is failing. I think the next tenant should receive a copy of the VCAT files by post…

  • My experience for roof leak is, when raining, you need to go up to the roof space to find where is the true leaking point. A lot of times, by only pointing out where the water coming down from ceiling is not enough. the water may have travelled from the starting leaking point to another place.
    I have called a lot of roof specialists to no effect, until I went up to roof space to find the original leaking point, and pointed that to the roof repairer, he got it fixed once and forever.
    So, tenants just be mindful of that, and help your landlord to help you.

    • You're about 2 years late mate, and you clearly need to hire plumbers who work with roof's, not roofers who work with plumbing

      • I have a leak in my roof, i find it soothing to hear the gentle drops of rain …

        as for the above scenario, should have stopped paying rent and lodge with vcat - could have stayed there 12 months until unit was built :)

        • Never stop paying rent, better to file it with VCAT as repairs needed and ask for compensation afterwards

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