Is The Sonoff TH16 + AM2301 Room Temperature Sensor a Good Fit for Use with Tuya Wi-Fi Smart Plug?

tempura on 07/01/2020 - 05:45
Last edited 07/01/2020 - 11:29 by 1 other user

Which room temperature sensor to purchase with the objective of easiness to turn ON Tuya WiFi smart plug (i.e. Brilliant) when room temperature > 25c else turn OFF Tuya WiFi smart plug?

I am thinking of purchasing Sonoff TH16 + AM2301, but I'm not sure if Sonoff can speak to Tuya WiFi smart plug via IFTTT.

It doesn't have to be Sonoff but i just need something easy (as easy as simple IF ELSE in IFTTT or something similar) and don't have time to program in hass.io.

thanks to JimmyF for the Tuya platform devices (they all just skin the same app) explanation.

Electrical & Electronics

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RockyRaccoon on 07/01/2020 - 06:32

Have you ever read the KISS principle?

Your posts are always so difficult to read. Are you studying, (or studied) to be an engineer, lawyer, or politician.
- kerfuffle on 07/01/2020 - 06:47
  
  -2
  
  Or they just want to show off that they know how to use italics. I agree with this statement
  - tempura on 07/01/2020 - 06:51
    
    they? why the use plural?
    - RockyRaccoon on 07/01/2020 - 07:41
      
      -1
      
      Rules of
      
      LGBTQQIP2SAA
      
      Being applied
      
      You should appreciate that being used to scientific names
      
      Btw we are just having a little fun here. 🙏👍🏻
- tempura on 07/01/2020 - 06:51
  
  Have you ever read the KISS principle?
  
  this is why i want to avoid hass.io as i don't have time for it.
  
  Are you studying, (or studied) to be an engineer, lawyer, or politician?
  
  i'm a marine biologist; i often work with scientific names.
  - mbck on 07/01/2020 - 08:58
    
    Costanza?
tempura on 07/01/2020 - 07:52

thanks Gronk; what am after is something inexpensive and easy to design/use, like the sensor detects 'oh it's 26c let's turn on the plug'.
mbck on 07/01/2020 - 09:01

The 'easiest', but by no means the cheapest, thay I have read would be to use smartthings sensor. They can detect your temperature in whatever room. They are compatible with a fair few brand names (from the app, like kasa)
Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 09:57

+1

Okey dokey…

So the combination of the Sonoff TH16 + AM2301 would be all the hardware you need, in this context the TH16 / TH10 takes the place of the smart switches you posted yesterday, because it's essentially the same thing with an additional port to plug in the sensor. I'm not sure what software the Sonoff stuff works with though, I flash all my devices to tasmota so I can't really help much on that front.

If on the other hand you want to use the off-the-shelf stuff you can buy from Bunnings instead of Sonoff, then I'd be going with something like this.

I'd recommend taking the time to get to know HASSIO, it's the only smart home solution I've found so far that allows you to communicate with your devices on a local network - all these smart home apps require you to have an active internet connection so if your connection drops so does your ability to control your devices.
- tempura on 07/01/2020 - 10:33
  
  Sonoff TH16 + AM2301
  
  so if I have a Brilliant smart plug (Tuya platform) and get Sonoff TH16 + AM2301, what do I do? as in, how do I make the power plug to turn on when the sensor detects temperature > 25c ? i'm imagining IFTTT in Android app, where I can design a very user-friendly applet that says IF Sonoff TH16 + AM2301 temperature > 25c THEN turn on Brilliant smart plug.
  - Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 10:59
    
    You'd buy either the TH16 + AM2301 or you'd buy the Brilliant Smart Switch and some other 'smart' wifi temp sensor, but you wouldn't need both the Brilliant and the TH16, that would be doubling up.
    
    Hopefully this diagram does a better job of explaining that than I have -
    
    From the couple of quick google searches I've done the Sonoff stuff seems to be compatible with IFTTT straight out of the box, so a couple of youtube videos and you should be a pro :D
    - tempura on 07/01/2020 - 11:01
      
      TH16 + AM2301
      
      oh .. so prework wiring will also need to be done in TH16 + AM2301 .. so this is a no go for me; i am no electrician and not handy with wiring.
      
      the Brilliant Smart Switch and some other 'smart' wifi temp sensor
      
      just need to find out the latter
      - Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 11:12
        
        @tempura: Yup, it will require wiring. I get that it's not for everybody, but it's also very easy to do.
        
        tempura on 07/01/2020 - 11:22
        
        @Gronk: you should do this prewiring work and get suckers like me to purchase; it will sell well, trust me.
        
        Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 11:48
        
        @tempura: I'd love to do it as a side-gig, I'll give you a heads up if it happens :D
        
        tempura on 07/01/2020 - 11:50
        
        @Gronk: please do
outlander on 07/01/2020 - 10:17

Is this for an air conditioner? Because most ACs newer than 1980 have electronics that don't like being turned off abruptly. They also have 15amp plugs, which have a thicker earth pin that won't fit in a standard power point.
- tempura on 07/01/2020 - 10:35
  
  this is just for a fan in a bedroom; the fan obviously is not smart so in essence i just want whatever temp sensor to detect temp > 25c then turn on smart plug. I have not bought anything, so I'm open to ALL input and options as long as they're inexpensive and EASY to do. no wiring, no hass.io programming et al. IFTTT i can do.
  
  heck if there's a smart plug with built-in temperature sensor in it will probably do, but these seems to be slightly expensive.
  - spackbace on 07/01/2020 - 10:39
    
    Just set it to turn on at the peak hot hours
    
    Are you planning to have it on while you're home, or out?
    - tempura on 07/01/2020 - 10:42
      
      both: home and out.
      
      and i don't want it to turn on only at peak hours … it needs another parameter (it got to be warm or hot) because some days, even when it's peak but outside is overcast, there's no point in turning on the fan.
      - spackbace on 07/01/2020 - 11:05
        
        +2
        
        @tempura: Manual override on the app
        
        But it's not like a fan uses a heap of power, even if it was left on all day
JimmyF on 07/01/2020 - 10:44

if Room Temp Is > X Celcius Then Turn ON Smart Plug Else Turn OFF ?

Are you overthinking this? Does your solution need to be 'smart', if not, just get one of these

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AU-PLUG-240V-ITC-308-Digital-Tem…
- tempura on 07/01/2020 - 10:47
  
  +1
  
  yeah, i actually bought the WiFi version ITC-306A but boy i didn't notice that it was designed only for HEATING … but yes JimmyF, i may as well invest in another InkBird.
  - Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 10:54
    
    Or for a fraction of the price - one of these
    - tempura on 07/01/2020 - 10:55
      
      +1
      
      but that needs pre-work done aka wiring
    - JimmyF on 07/01/2020 - 12:14
      
      Or for a fraction of the price
      
      Yes but no way 'legal', with a lot of DIY wiring and dealing with 240v. Just pay the extra for a pre made one, much safer.
      - Gronk on 07/01/2020 - 13:12
        
        @JimmyF: Of course it's legal, why else would courses such as these be offered?
        
        JimmyF on 07/01/2020 - 22:09
        
        @Gronk: Well there is no plug top to be replaced ;)
        
        It requires a plug install and thats not legal ;)
        
        Gronk on 08/01/2020 - 16:04
        
        @JimmyF: Check the energysafe website, plugs don't require a sparky if it's the way the device is built and shipped.
        
        JimmyF on 08/01/2020 - 18:31
        
        @Gronk: Sure go build your 'device' and when it bursts into flames and your house insurance is declined from your home made device, you can explain to them how your device is just a 'plug'.
        
        If you read my posts, I never said anything about needing a sparky, I said they are illegal. Simple put, its illegal to build your own 240v device at home, just like it is for DIY wiring.
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 13:08
        
        @JimmyF: That's kinda why I pointed you at the energy safe site, it explains the distinction between manufacturing electrical goods and performing basic maintenance. Anyway, time to move on.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 13:09
        
        @Gronk:
        
        it explains the distinction between manufacturing electrical goods and performing basic maintenance
        
        Making a 'device' from parts, is NOT basic maintenance……
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 13:10
        
        @JimmyF: sigh
        
        Yes but attaching a plug end to a device that is designed to have one attached does not constitute 'making a device'.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 13:49
        
        @Gronk:
        
        Yes but attaching a plug end to a device that is designed to have one attached does not constitute 'making a device'.
        
        The law would disagree with you.
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 13:55
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        The law would disagree with you.
        
        Nuh-uh.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 14:14
        
        @Gronk: Point me to the law that says you can DIY?
        
        cough cough https://esv.vic.gov.au/safety-education/electrical-safety-at…
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 15:03
        
        @JimmyF: I was pointed to the 'Restricted Electrical Worker's License' section when I spoke to them yestetrday.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 15:17
        
        @Gronk: Yeah nah, Thats a disconnect/reconnect licence for hardwired appliances ONLY.
        
        That doesn't allow you to 'build' your own appliances or even change a end plug!
        
        "This licence type only allows the disconnection and reconnection of ‘like for like’ equipment, for the purposes of repair, replacement or maintenance."
        
        https://esv.vic.gov.au/licensing-coes/electrical-licences/re…
        
        It allows for stoves or AC units to be disconnected for repair, replacement or maintenance only.
        
        Not build your own device.
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 15:53
        
        @JimmyF: Look I get that you're invested in your opinion, but I've sought advice from ESV on this exact subject so I'm not going to be swayed by an internet stranger :)
        
        You're obsessed with this being about building devices despite me highlighting on a number of occasions that this is not the case, so now it's time to move on.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 16:10
        
        -1
        
        @Gronk:
        
        but I've sought advice from ESV on this exact subject so I'm not going to be swayed by an internet stranger :)
        
        I highly doubt you have spoken to them, as they will not tell ANYONE who isn't trained/certified that they can disconnect and connect devices.
        
        See link above from ESV, have you done this course?
        
        You're obsessed with this being about building devices despite me highlighting on a number of occasions that this is not the case
        
        Your ebay link above is not a complete device, your All-Purpose Temperature Controller Thermostat required 220v connected to it, its going to be 'hard wired' and you need Australian ticks/approvals/standards etc all meet, that this device doesn't have.
        
        You also have to follow the AS guidelines for wiring and earthing, again things you have no idea about and things ESV would never tell you can do.
        
        You're the one obsessed with being right when you're clearly so wrong. If your house burns down, no insurance for you. Simple as that. Look forward to that thread.
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 16:21
        
        -1
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        I highly doubt you have spoken to them,
        
        LOL… Righteo mate, you and your tin foil hat have a nice day won't ya.
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 16:34
        
        @Gronk:
        
        Righteo mate, you and your tin foil hat have a nice day won't ya.
        
        Yes, I highly doubt they told you an untrained person you can DIY.
        
        https://esv.vic.gov.au/campaigns/ddiy/
        
        I mean its not like they run these ads at all or anything
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiboMLaX_D8&list=PLvl7tu53v4…
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 17:12
        
        @JimmyF: This may come as a surprise to you, but it doesn't really concern me if you're not convinced.
        
        I did get the day wrong - it was the day before yesterday that I spoke to them, however aside from that I'm being completely transparent with what was discussed.
        
        For the last time, the point I'm trying to highlight does not revolve around building your own devices from components, it relates to attaching a plug to a device that does not ship with one, but is designed to have a plug attached to it (as opposed to being hard-wired into the house circuit). The enquiry was made from a standpoint of importing and on-selling these types of devices.
        
        If you really want to be sure for yourself, give them a call, you'll need to leave a message because they're flat out with the bushfires but they got back to me within an hour or so.
        
        Ciao :)
        
        JimmyF on 09/01/2020 - 17:22
        
        @Gronk:
        
        it relates to attaching a plug to a device that does not ship with one, but is designed to have a plug attached to it
        
        Still can't do it yourself, unless you have been trained/approved.
        
        Also the device needs to meet all the Australian regulations for use here too.
        
        The enquiry was made from a standpoint of importing and on-selling these types of devices.
        
        As above, does your device meet the Australian regulations?
        
        If you really want to be sure for yourself, give them a call
        
        I don't need to waste their time to know you're not correct.
        
        BTW still waiting for that link to say its LEGAL for you to DIY plug change.
        
        Gronk on 09/01/2020 - 17:50
        
        @JimmyF: Speak to the electrical insulation team, they'll set you straight ;)
  - JimmyF on 07/01/2020 - 12:13
    
    Ouch, that heating only one is costly….. Get my one, it does both :)
    - tempura on 07/01/2020 - 12:16
      
      not only that .. do you notice that ITC-306A is only for Aquarium? as it has aquarium probe … luckily i have a freshwater aquarium so it doesn't really go to waste.
      
      so the one you posted … ITC-308 .. does that measure room temperature? so you just let the probe hangs somewhere in the room and it'll detect room temperature? .. apology if it came across like a silly question .. i only ever used the probe under water (306A) for my aquarium.
      - JimmyF on 07/01/2020 - 12:32
        
        +1
        
        @tempura:
        
        so you just let the probe hangs somewhere in the room and it'll detect room temperature?
        
        Correct, put it in water, sit it in the air, it doesn't matter.
        
        We have used these devices for 'venting' hot spaces via a exhaust fan. ie temp above 30c, turn on the 'cooling' side, which the exhaust fan is plugged into. Think server rack or cupboard, or a confined space with limited air flow.
        
        For us, it works well for a set and forget. Just depends if you want the 'smart' or 'wifi' side of things. Which we don't.
        
        In your case, it will be plug fan into the cooling, hang the probe somewhere that gets some air flow around it, so the temp is accurate to the room and away you go.
spackbace on 07/01/2020 - 11:26

+1

https://support.cygnett.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038498094-S…

If your home is feeling a bit cold, set up a scene with the Cygnett Smart Plug to turn on your heater, so you can arrive to a warm and cosy home.

FYI

$59.95 for the sensor, $34.95 for the plug

Keep it to the same app, nice and handy

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