Group Buy Masks

It has been very hard to get masks for people to get masks (mod: Removed unnecessary remark). I have a friend who started a factory in China to make masks and just got certified but she can only supply quantity greater than 2000 masks. Should I start a group buy deal to let everyone from ozbargain to have a go or this idea is stupid as it will be hard to organize at this time?

I got a small shipment for myself. I used tnt 2~3 business days service and it took them 7 business days to get her.
The standard is GB/T32610-2016 and I believe a higher surgical standard can be also obtained but my friends says the minimum quantity would be 20000 for that.
With my TNT shipment, I believe if you are ordering 200 or more, I can just arrange to post them directly to you from China with TNT.

Thanks to people's suggestion with PM, I would think the minimum quantity should be set to 100?
This is just an idea so people will get their masks at a fair price and wearing them to reduce the spread.

Update: 2020.3.31 The shipping cost has increased so much and it has become very hard to organize. I have replied to the PMs and the minimum quantity with be 200 with $1 each sent straight from China to your home via TNT or DHL or TOLL.
Thanks for the support from everyone and I'll try to do it in a better way if the first batch to though smoothly.

Update:2020.4.7 Just got TGA called back and created an account for me to submit the ARTG listing application form. The application and certification will cost $1020 each. For those who want to purchase large quantity or donate to the hospital, please PM am so we can decide whether to proceed with TGA or not.
The first 1000 masks were separated into 5 packages and 3 packages were paid for and sent out, these are now estimated to arrive this Friday but I suspect them may be delayed until early next week. There were two people booked for the masks and stopped replying hence I still have 2 of 200 masks package in my hand.

Comments

  • +78 votes

    It has been very hard to get masks for NON-ASIAN (not racist just fact) people to get masks.

    I’m Asian, I haven’t been able to find masks. Your fact is skewed (intentionally or not) with underlying racism.

    • -48 votes

      Lol, sorry my bad. I just saw a lot of people asking why every Asian has masks but they can't get them anywhere.

      • +32 votes

        Before the pandemic hit we had a shortage due to the bushfire.
        Currently there is a shortage worldwide for obvious reasons.
        I work in a hospital and we will have to reuse masks (there’s a procedure for it, I am not kidding).
        These will be some of the reasons the average person (Asian or not) will not have easy access to masks.

        P/s: when people need to justify that they are not racists in a statement, more often than not the racism is there.

      • +21 votes

        because they are well prepared , stocking up before shit hits the fan , whilst everyone go around saying masks are useless , laughing at those who wear masks , now shit hits the fan , people wondering where to get mask? really ?

        • -5 votes

          I have a theory that I may get into mud again but I think a lot of people are saying they are useless because they don't have them.

          • +13 votes

            @bargaingod123: Warning: rants ahead.

            I think a lot of people are saying they are useless

            Our government is the one kept saying masks are useless, no doubt in an effort to try and control supplies for healthcare workers.
            It kind of backfired on them/us now that people are still misinformed and still refusing to take this pandemic seriously.
            Whether masks can protect us from the virus is still being debated (I personally believe they minimise the risk, that's the very reason healthcare workers wear them), but masks definitely help prevent the spread if sick people use them (by containing droplets).

            Look at Italy and many other countries now, you are not entering a supermarket without masks and gloves on, and passing a temp check. Here we have people climbing over the fences to access blocked beaches (priorities of course). Our government has also been in constant denial and kept pushing for kids to go to schools only to go 'Oh sh!t we'd better close schools now' yesterday.
            As someone (both me and partner) who still go to work (a privilege during this time I know), putting ourselves at risk and coming home to a 13month-old and a 65+yo elderly, I'm appalled by how many people are still refusing to pull their heads out (our government included) and act responsibly.

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              @zonra: This is exactly what I am trying to achieve in this post. Letting people who don't have masks to have a go on wearing them. Seems this idea is not popular here and I may withdraw it. Feel free to PM me if you know any hospital needs them and I will try my best to help. Not for profit here, my profit is from the health I gain if the virus stops as quickly as possible.

            • +1 vote

              @zonra: If our government knew what they're doing, they should have been doing what they're doing right now 2 months ago if not earlier. But no, it's a requirement that people must queue up to die IN AUSTRALIA before anything may be taken seriously.

          • +1 vote

            @bargaingod123: Because they don't want to wear them. But they get insecure and angry when they see other people wear them.

          • +7 votes

            @bargaingod123: Surgical masks are technically not particularly effective for prevention of transfer of pathogens. They are designed to stop bodily fluids from passing through them long enough for you to change to a new mask upon contamination, they are not designed to be worn all day for protection.

            If you want protection from airborne viruses, you'll need an N95 respirator mask as they can filter out viruses, but even then they are only good for 2 hours or so (less if saturated with moisture), and they only filter out 95% of particles so they're not infallible.

            If you want the best protection, you'll want something with a replaceable HEPA filter. They're pricier but they're reusable as long as you wash them regularly and change the replaceable HEPA filter.

            Another issue I've noticed is that people are not wearing masks properly. A lot of people aren't pinching down on the metal bridge to ensure a tight fit around your nose. If you aren't doing this, you may as well not wear a mask.

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              @DangerNoodle: This… well said!

            • +1 vote

              @DangerNoodle: I am surprised I haven't seen the vacuum bags (HEPA 99%) being hoarded for the fact you can make pretty long lasting masks from the materials. i.e. Like the Miele 3D HEPA bags with the indicator when its time to replace…

              I have P2 and P3 half face ones with replaceable cartridges from wood working and spray painting. And there are still cartridges available, not sure why people dont use them instead.

              **I have the passive ones and not the Positive pressure ones like Versaflo lol

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                @pegasusx: I just bought a 3M half face and a pack of filters on the company card. People see how much it costs and run for the hills.

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                  @whooah1979: Have the prices inflated? I recall the 3M 6000 series with the dual cartridges were only around $50 for the mask and about $45 for a pack of 4x2.
                  This was back in April last year when the Hong Kong protests were going on.

      • +7 votes

        As you might deduce from my username, I am Asian, and I also haven't been able to find masks for myself.

        Why you see more Asians wearing mask, you ask? Because in wealthy east Asian countries wearing masks in public if you're down with the flu is common. Also in poor South east Asian countries wearing a mask is to protect oneself from dust and pollution.

        Maybe if people were to learn the full reason and not be bigoted and small minded it would make the world a better place.

    • +6 votes

      To clarify, I'm Asian too. So I have no intention of letting Asian down unless I'm racist against myself. Just trying to help.

      • +1 vote

        I suggest you look up "internalised racism".

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          I just had a quick brief read. I don't believe I am in this category.
          Sorry if what I said is offensive but I really don't want to get into this topic.

        • +9 votes

          OP literally said Asians were the ones who had masks. How's the racist? Please do elaborate.

          • -6 votes

            @HighAndDry: First of all, I never claimed their comment was "racist".

            Secondly, consider their comment "To clarify, I'm Asian too. So I have no intention of letting Asian down unless I'm racist against myself." — I might add I was replying to this comment exclusively by the way.

            The "unless I'm racist against myself" part is what I found interesting about that comment. I have met Asian people living in Australia who have shared that they felt inferiority compared to Caucasian people. Those experiences, coupled with the fact that internalised racism is an actual thing, made me want to inform OP of its existence if he/she did not previously know.

            Hope that helps you to understand where I am coming from since you're so eager to know.

          • +3 votes

            @HighAndDry: Which isn't true lol. I've seen plenty of non-Asian people wearing it. It's not a fact, it's bias

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              @dengziyi: Ain't nothing wrong with some bias - that's how humans operate.
              This bias might be based on Asian cultures historically using face masks more than western cultures during flu seasons etc.
              Not everything that involves race is racism

              • +2 votes

                @sakurashu: It's cool, you're justifying a bias. But OP asserted "It has been very hard to get masks for NON-ASIAN (not racist just fact) people to get masks."

                It's NOT a fact lol. You can get them from eBay quite easily and many non-Asians have been wearing masks.

  • +3 votes

    Sorry guys, I knew my wording would cause uncomforting. Really sorry.

    • +29 votes

      Don't apologise. Your post literally said you were looking to source masks from a friend's factory in China. How people could construe racism from your post is beyond me. Snowflakes can go and melt.

      • +8 votes

        Thanks for backing me. All I wanted to do is stating the fact and try to solve the problem between the gap but somehow I'm stuck in this loop.

      • +8 votes

        People might be dying and the world as we know it might be on the brink of collapse, but lets not lose focus on whats important, okay?

        Feelings. Feelings are important.

    • +1 vote

      I would say your remark is just a form of anecdotes

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    My local chemist has face masks in stock but are limiting them to 1 per person. Head into the chemist and try your luck.

    • +4 votes

      From my understanding, the disposable masks reduce about 40~50% of a chance catching the virus and hence we should go out with masks.
      Buying one mask providing needing to use one to the chemist defeat the purpose of buying masks.

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        I'm really not sure as I haven't looked into it, but they were the high quality ones with the filter on the front. Better than nothing I guess, even if you had to go back each day to buy a new one.

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      limiting them to 1 per person

      so you have to go back every few hours and buy another when you need to change it?

    • +2 votes

      And you need to change the mask every day, so that means going to the chemist every day, which itself needs a mask, so you are effectively buying a mask so that you can go and buy a mask

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        If it's a surgical masks, they're not designed for much protection at all. They're designed to stop the transfer of bodily fluids long enough for the mask to be changed if they get splashed on for surgery.

        N95 respirator masks are what you'll need for some protection as they can filter out airborne viruses when used correctly. That being said, they only filter out 95% of particles and they're only good for 2 hours or so (less if they become saturated with moisture). If you're not changing these masks every two hours, you may as well be not wearing a mask.

  • +18 votes

    You'll find that a lot of Asians before Covid-19 and before bush fires have already a stash of face masks. a lot of Asians had gotten use to purchasing them like they do any other essential and when things go bad like the current situation they default to purchasing these items same goes for santisers, gloves and rice and flour.

    I already had a stash of masks at home prior to bush fires, heck I probably had a stash of masks this time last year and the year before that.

    not being racist but westerners just didn't see the importance of them until things got worse. Asians are use to wearing masks

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    Questions: how much per mask at the 2,000 quantity and how much for shipping? I probably have more than a few relatives and family friends who would each want 50 or so.

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      I haven't worked it out, just had the idea and posted on the form to see if people actually need them. Base on my experience for the masks I got for myself, the cost for masks plus shipping should be around 80~85c with no margin and damage counted.

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        Sounds like you have a business idea selling them for $1-1.50 a piece then.

        • +22 votes

          Nah, No intention to make a profit here. But I will get the profit in my health if everyone in my community can get masks and wear them,

          • +2 votes

            @bargaingod123: That's good thinking. If everyone wore masks from the start we probably would have avoided lockdown. But people would rather lose jobs than wear masks, too bad.

          • +3 votes

            @bargaingod123: That is what I want to do too, to promote using mask like China and Hong Kong does.

            No one can go out without a mask, so no matter you are sick with no symptom or you are sick, it all got covered by using Mask.

            I am kin to buy at least 200 masks.

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        Got told Melbourne China Town has masks $80 for 50. Why you going to the trouble?

      • +1 vote

        I'm interested - thinking about buying and donating to local hospital if things get bad

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          I definitly support that. They do have medical surgerical grad masks but at a higher cost, I am working on how to certificate these in Australia, any recommendation? however these will be a bit more costly. What quantity are you thinking?

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    I'd be interest in chipping in, but it would depend on the details.

    Whats the quality, style and safety rating of the mask?
    How long to get here?
    Once in Australia, would they be posted out or possibly collected from a central location?

    Good idea though. Not stupid at all

    • +1 vote

      I got a small shipment for myself. I used tnt 2~3 business days service and it took them 7 business days to get her. The standard is GB/T32610-2016 and I believe a higher surgical standard can be also obtained but my friends says the minimum quantity would be 20000 for that. With my tnt shipment I believe if you are ordering 200 or more, I can just arrange to post them directly to you from China with TNT. I don't really want to go in public in current environment

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    buy 2000 then sell them on gumtree with inflated price.
    repeat.

    • +4 votes

      Haha, I don't want to have anything to do with gumtree. I had so much bad experience on gumtree that I will never put any business there.

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      The government announced recently that scalpers and people shipping essential items overseas are facing the risk of prosecution. We'll see how that plays out.

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        good if that's true. but they have said that from weeks ago and nothing happens.
        and how do they draw the line between scalping and selling with profit margin.
        will it apply only to gumtree or also the business retailer?

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          I wouldn't expect anything to happen right away, but it will be a delayed response. I'm sure it will apply to private sellers on ebay, gumtree and retailers. I know essential items are being seized at customs on their way out of aus right now.

      • +1 vote

        shipping oversea is different to ship them into Australia? Will I be in trouble if I do this group buy for Ozbargainers?

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          I'd say shipping them into aus will be fine, as long as you don't sell them at a high margin.

      • +1 vote

        Except for big Chinese corporations, they can buy up everything and send to China. The government is only targeting the little people.

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    How much for 2000 pcs N95 FOB?

  • +1 vote

    Great idea, i hope your idea gets off the ground. I have been thinking alot lately how to get more supplies for those working in medical practices/hospitals at this critical time. I'd be happy to participate just need to know that this is not a scam and would pass it onto those in need.

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      For sure this is not a scam but I haven't got any idea on how to proceed with this. There would be a huge trust issue if I get paid before I order them but I don't want to have all these stocks sitting at home without people confirming they want them.
      My preference would be each person get 200~300 from me and I order from a friend, organise the TNT shipment and give the tracking number. However there will be problem if there is any issue with the masks. I'm currently using them myself and happy with them but there will always be unhappy people. I don't want to profit from this but I need some idea about how to deal with this sort of issues as well as if it is legal to do group buys like this.

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    If anyone has any hospital they want to donate to or order for, I can definitely help.

  • +1 vote

    Update for you guys: I decided to get 2000 anyway although seems there aren't enough people getting them. Send me a message or comment below and I will try to work something out.
    BTW, if anyone has any info about if it is legal to set up something like this or any info on how to make this legal.

  • +2 votes

    Group buying, sounds pretty nice idea if it helps you and yours. :)

    Wasn't sure where in above comments to reply;

    ppe shortage in the country perhaps not due purely to lack of planning, bushfires or that some backgrounds don't see value or aesthetics of masks etc.

    Ppe and equipment was actively being sent out of the country in Feb etc

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-backed-company-s-mis...

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/second-company-sent...


    Good news though :/ We now have 1 factory making masks -
    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/inside-australias-...


    Off to relax and remember fondly of gastro outbreak shifts and the insane amounts of everything used and discarded, probably spent 1/3 of shifts getting in and out and in and out of ppe. Haha

    Pretty :/ to see adherence to legislations & P&P can become so relaxed at diff times.

    Bye!

    • +2 votes

      Firstly, this is not a scam. Secondly, Iposted this message after I got mine in a week and a bit. I'm trying to work out how to post them out, one solution can be use TNT to ship straight from china to your home.
      As a metter fact, Im more worried by scam by buyers.

    • +1 vote

      This virus will be around after this year’s Xmas.

  • +2 votes

    i don't normally spoil people's scheme to get rich or make some money…but…there are so many business in China after the start of the outbreak coverted or commenced to produce medical supplies without any proper due diligence. True the mask is a low tech product - so baby formula and other normal stuff…you can waste your money on non-life-depending stuff like a mobile phone, drones, tv, etc…but this? The virus may not get you before the mask itself…

  • +1 vote

    I heard China is re-packing used face masks and giving it away to poor countries.
    The world should unite and sanction the shit out of them…
    Also it amazes me that there is not more focus on this
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/second-company-sent...

    • -2 votes

      https://apac.news/targeting-chinese-australians-in-an-austra...

      No China secrecy or cover up

      The sending of medical supplies to Wuhan by Chinese companies was announced to the media.

      The departure of a special aid flight to Wuhan was attended by a large number of media outlets across television, print and online, among them, The Australian, Seven News, Sky News, and trade publications Fully Loaded, Australian Aviation and Food and Drink Business.
      APAC News Sydney media conference 23 Feb 2020 for aid shipment to Wuhan China“Cloak and Dagger” gone wrong as media shows up for secret flight to China

      A news crew from the Nine Network also attended this event – that media company is the publisher of the Sydney Morning Herald, which has seen fit to release today’s xenophobic beat-up.
      https://www.fullyloaded.com.au/industry-news/2002/wiseway-gr...
      https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=905420366541679
      https://www.foodanddrinkbusiness.com.au/news/a2-milk-company...

      • +2 votes

        This is a mouth piece of CCP. That fact remains if Chinese state firm didn’t buy up all the medical supply from Australia, we will not have run out of the essential supply.

        If the same thing happened the other way around those involved would be in jail.

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        apac.news has documented that the export was announced on normal TV, newspaper and trade media at the time and so far that looks legit. On 24 Feb 2020 the date of an export flight there were 22 covid cases in Australia. In hindsight it doesn't look right to lose those PPEs. Apparently we still have a national stockpile, though don't know if the government is buying extra from China. Well there is a factory in Australia making masks and they say they can ramp up production to 50mill per year. I'm still disturbed by the loss of that equipment.

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          Geez I wonder who’s behind APAC.news website. With no information about who’s behind it and plenty of article in simplified Chinese.

          Also with such a meaningful headline of racism against Australian-Chinese from article exposing Chinese state run company cleaning up medical supply in Australia. Which part of that is racism? Reporting the facts is now racism? Or merely reporting any negative news about CCP and the behaviours of its party members are consider racism.

          Scroll through all the so called news article in the site. This is not even a credible site.

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    It is because of this:

    https://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/90-tonnes-of-supplies-...

    Public would be very difficult to get hands on any masks, sanitiser etc.

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      That was the time in Feb, when China was hit most and Australians are relaxing and preparing for F1. Expecting 100s of pp from Italy and Tom hanks is just about to visit Australia.
      No one see this going to happening in Australia. In fact, now China is getting better and start to ship medical supply to all around the world. If we stop misleading people, and have better relationship with China, we will get help from there.
      The thing is, from the first place, where are those supplies made from?

      • -2 votes

        The supplies would most likely be made in China. According to your logic because they were made in China in the first place it’s ok for the state run companies to scalp all the supplies and send it back home.
        This was done in large scale around the world not just Australia.

        What would your reaction be if all the foreign companies based in China were to send all their staffs out to scalp all the supplies in China right now and send them back home.

        What is misleading in the article? All it stated is Chinese state run companIes moved 100s of tonnes of critical medical supplies to China when it didn’t have the permit to export those supplies.

        You may not like what has been reported due to your background what has been done may be legal but doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

        • +1 vote

          the misleading is it was happened in Feb, when everything was fine. Now we have a problem, here we go, find someone to blame. Even it looks so correct in Feb.

          If this is happening right now, I am with you, it would be very selfless action for a country. But remember this was in Feb, when Melbourne was expecting F1 no one would know it would be an outbreak all around the world.

          Please do not start to reference to my background, I care about Australia same as you. when you say this you just means that you consider others' opinion based on your background as well.

          As I said it's meanless for these artical because it was happening in Feb. What need to do is ask China if they can send more supplies for Australia or not. You might be surpprise that since we help them in Feb, we might get much return for now.

          https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-eu-abandoni...

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