Does this fall under "care"? If it does, how long a visit would you say is acceptable?
JJB
p.s: Happy choc day! :)
Elderly Neighbours Having Their Kids over for Easter - Does This Fall under "Care"?
[Deactivated] on 12/04/2020 - 14:20
Last edited 12/04/2020 - 19:49 by 1 other user
Last edited 12/04/2020 - 19:49 by 1 other user
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Trying to kill them off eh?
Next months post; how should I invest an inheritance?
Precisely 35 minutes.
Step 1. Buy Glen 20 and food.
Step 2. Deliver them to parents and say happy Easter.
Step 3. Post it online so you get a $1300 fine.
Step 4 sell your story for profit.
Is this a troll post?
Nope.2 of my neighbours have their kids over for lunch. Another neighbour wants to report them and want me to do the same as it is my "civic duty". I would rather not get involve at all.
report them.
It's only peoples lives they are putting at risk so probably best to stay out of it.
Stay out of it.
Can I visit my immediate family if we don’t live together?
Victoria – Generally no, social visits are not allowed. However, you can visit to deliver food, provide medical care and for “compassionate reasons”.
NSW – Generally no.* On Wednesday police commissioner Mick Fuller said visiting romantic partners counted as “care” and was therefore allowed, however when Guardian Australia asked NSW police if visiting immediate family was also constituted as “care” they said that social visits do not count. We will seek further clarification on this issue. You can, however, visit family if you are caring for them, delivering them food, assisting with medication, taking them to the shops if they require assistance etc.
BuT Palais Royal ? Who knows
Did they sit down, wined and dined? Because I would say that's doing more than just 'delivering'.
Would, probably, be much worse over there.
@[Deactivated]: That’s just taking the piss.
It’s like the International Hotel Wagga Wagga or International Hotel Horsham.
FFS NO
Seriously?
People just don't get it…
It's always a neighbour, a friend, a family member…
Meaning?
He's too spineless to say you.
How old are your parents? The older they are the more risk involved.
I would look into using something like Houseparty or Zoom to chat to them. We’ve been using Zoom to talk to our friends - wine, cheese and chat. Works very well and the rozzers don’t get you.
How old are your parents?
My parents are dead and so are my grandparents. My in-laws live overseas, as you know.
I would look into using something like Houseparty or Zoom to chat to them
Nah, we just use viber. Just a quick chat and the kids get to show off their stash of chocolate eggs.We are used to spending Easter away from the fam considering most of them are overseas.
The older they are the more risk involved.
I agree. The 2 neighbours who had their kids over for brunch/lunch are elderly.Their kids are probably my age, mid-30s with little ones. They've all left now.
…and the rozzers don’t get you.
I had to look up definition of rozzers ! Learnt something new today as had not seen/heard this term previously!
Obviously, I’ve watched too many Pommy police dramas.
lol - I've also seen a few but missed the reference.
I'm going to casually drop it in conversation with friends/family in England when we next Skype
Simple answer: NO
Report your neighbours. You can only expect lockdowns to continue if people don't stay home
Then don't get involved, but still had to start a thread on here, bored.
And tell your neighbour to mind their own business.
Only if you include one of your signature floor plans…
Thanks. It only took me a few secs to figure out what was wrong with it
(Its in Melbourne)
Just realised how weirdly phallic-shaped that part of Australia is…
You're allowed to deliver supplies to your family. Just don't cross state borders to do it.
Never assume. While they had their kids or over for lunch, they could've had to deliver medication, care, cleaning etc. I personally wouldn't get involved.
Edit: didn't we all just learn our lesson about making assumptions if someone is guilty or not?
100% agree with this. We are in the situation where my parents need to care for my daughter once or twice a week while I take my son to hospital an hour away (sometimes she sleeps over as well).
I would hate for someone to dob us in, (though if we got a visit from police, we have paperwork from the hospital to support our actions).
I guess if you see everyone out in the backyard drinking beer, its obviously a social visit, but otherwise, you just never know…Never assume - exactly people need to mind their own business - you'd think people on here are auditioning for stasi 2.0
This. In SA you can visit elderly parents for care and compassion, if you maintain social distancing and other precautions like using handwash etc., to deliver food, check they're OK. Here they are guidelines, so not yet reportable.
Dobbing people in doesn't work. Late last night I saw this giant rabbit going in and out of every house on the street, dragging germs from one place to the next. Wasn't even wearing a mask or gloves. I rang the cops and they just laughed at me.
Awww Dad!
I'd say OP should MIND HIS OWN BUSINESS!
Regardless of what anyone says Grand Parents have thier days numbered and wont live forever. Time is quickly ticking by for them.
If they have the opportunity and joy of seeing the grand children during Easter or at any time then let it be.
Its the Draconian (Communist) Labor government in VIC that has it all wrong.
Just mind your own business. It’s not a party.
If they brought groceries or something they could probably try to pass it off as "care", but not with that number of people and staying for ages when not caring. If only they'd just be Darwin Awarding themselves rather than making others sick too. :(
I know in QLD the rules are a bit more lax (at least on Friday they were?) the limit for family/friend social stuff is two visitors at a time (not including actual legit carers for disabled people, and not including tradies fixing stuff, as those sorts of things are exempt.)
My mother (60ish) and I (40ish) are both disabled by chronic illnesses, so have limited ability to run around hunting for date rolls or whatever, so we have been trading groceries between us when one of us finds stuff the other can't. But in our case even though social visits are allowed (or were last week before our last one?), our "visit" is literally pickup/drop off the supplies, quick "how you goin?" mental health sort of check, and GTFO of there to limit the exposure, and while there we keep our distance, wear masks or cover face with a cloth in case of unexpected sneeze/cough (none of us are sick yet AFAIK). Neither of us want to be the reason the other dies and with our health probs we're a bit paranoid, but we both need help to survive but no govt or charity help for us past DSP which is hard to survive on, let alone paying for any help (no NDIS or anything, can't tick the magic boxes for more help so have to do the best we can and put more load on our family.)
It’s a numbers game. The more you limit your interactions the less likely the virus will spread. The average days someone is asymptomatic is 2 days. The likelihood the virus will spread from an asymptomatic person (who isn’t coughing and sweating profusely) is near 0.
The bulk of the work killing off the virus spread has already been done by kids and parents at home. A little very cautious interaction here and there ain’t going to spread it.
When everyone repeats the 4 essential activities they need to realise they have been made deliberately simple to remember and communicate. Use your intelligence and play the game in a nuanced way to balance safety and sanity.
Given we might be at this for another month, and then in a slightly more relaxed version for another year to prevent a second wave, it remains a numbers game to be played smart.
Don’t dob anyone in.
I'm almost with you on your argument that essentially boils down to "Bending the rules is ok and don't report people". But for different reasons.
Care can be psychological, and not involve an apparent crisis, so socialising can feel subjectively essential.
But government requirements are minimums, not the full extent of preferred levels of social isolation. Take away is allowed, but it isn't recommended to go get takeaway from a different place every meal. We should socially isolate to the max of our own ability, not the minimum.
I'd report a party, maybe not a neighbour visiting kids or vice versa. Doesn't mean it's ok.
Just for the record, we didn't report anyone. However a few of us ( within a block radius) have been contacted by police who have asked to view our CCTV footage.
Hand that sh## over - stasi 2.0!
What reasons would I have had not to comply?
Maybe you don't want to encourage and be complicit in a police state.
If someone was attacked or property destroyed fair enough that's different.The police should have better things to do than handing out fines all the time while real crimes go unsolved.
They would need a warrant if you didn't want to hand it over.
However they don't know if you do or do not have footage so don't volunteer it, best not to get involved.@Pimpiticians 4 Life: There was more to the story.
The cops said there had been a "concerning number of vehicles" parked on the street in the area over the Easter weekend and that a few residents had complained that their cars had been keyed.
For context, I live 300m from the beach.
Edit: I've already handed over my footage. I've also spoken to my neighbours and they understand that I can't be expected to cover up for them.
@[Deactivated]: Yeah fair enough cars been keyed is obviously different - need to shut that sh## down.
Ffs. No of course not.