Just went to my local Kmart today at Garden City QLD and found heaps of this in stock.
1 litre for $10.
Not sure but this might be nationwide.The alcohol content is 63% according to the website.Its the cheapest I've seen hand sanitizer in a long while.
not sure if they will go down well chilled…
It's 63%… who cares…
Germs nowadays are trained for 70% alcohol. 63% is too soft for them.
what type of training do they go through? I would like to sign up for this course.
Probably through Udemy courses.
it's called bacterial growth resistance. Someday the superbug will become %100 resistance to anything we throw at it.
@godofpizza: Antimicrobial resistance is not a big issue in alcohol and is not really expected to develop over time due to the non-specific nature. Microbes adapt very quickly to break down (or pump out) small molecules but they can't really adapt well to their entire membrane being washed away with a solvent like alcohol. There are some exceptions (eg some hardy capsid viruses) but coronavirus is not one of them.
You can change the locks on your door, but it wont stop a battering ram. Alcohol is the battering ram.
@godofpizza: And then we finally will use live ammo against superbugs.
A no more superbag, my friends.
Loaded and ready :-)
at least those bacterias are actually finishing their courses. I have been hoarding 100+ courses while actually only finished 2 in my entire life. I feel like a failure now…
2 months premium subscription of SkillShare
"How to drink your way through cirrhosis for viruses (or why 63% means good time ahead)"
Nah the previous generation was much tougher. They had a far tougher life.
You can get 500ml 75% ethanol for fairly cheap price at covidgear.com.au. Hardly anybody does 75%, it's all the cheap low alcohol stuff. Plus they're doing 10% off store-wide atm. Only catch is it's Brisbane pickup only.
If it's lower than 70% alcohol, it's not good enough to ward off coronavirus.
Do it twice
"Do it twice" not sure if serious or are trolling.
63% alcohol in single bottle
126% efficacy
Love the experts from here : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-02/coronavirus-hand-sani…
Experts say hand sanitisers with 60-80 per cent alcohol content are the most effective
Why don't you ask Murdoch then.
How dare you! Plenty of Gender Studies experts on the ABC.
I'm shocked there's so many cheapo lefties downvoting you. ABC should be sold off and then can try and operate in the real world.
And yes ABC & experts do not belong in the same sentence.
@Yamisocheap: Please be advised that the ABC isn't, not is claiming to be, experts. Getting expert advice is a completely different matter. Please actually read articles before attempting to put them down - the experts are Professors from various lines of education, such as at ANU's infectious diseases school and USyd's Pharmacy school. These are people with significantly more expertise than anyone in this comment string. Please actually listen to them.
So you believe that the experts they're quoting know less than you? Mmm, Dunning Kruger much?
70% Is most effective. 63% is trash, shouldn't even be calling it a sanitizer at that level. 80% is too high but you can dilute it to 70% I suppose.
Experts say your 'news' source is a (profanity) clown 'journalist' who can't even do a simple bit of scientific research.
"It's dangerous in that they may not work anywhere near as well as you'd expect," Peter Collignon, professor of infectious diseases at the Australian National University, said.
"I think it might provide them with a false sense of security," Andrew McLachlan from Sydney University's School of Pharmacy said.
"If you're out and about and you need to use the bathroom and you want to reduce your risk of infection or exposing yourself to bacteria, then the alcohol-free products are probably fine for that.
"But when it comes to viruses, where we're trying to inactivate them, that is much more effective with alcohol-based hand sanitiser."
Have fun :)
63% what’s the point
rub twice - you'll have 126%
This response made me laugh.
So it's similar to 2 stroke or?
Why stop at twice?
Hold on tiger. 126% is damn too stressful for your skin. I reckon not going beyond this limit.
Those idiots at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) reckon 60% alcohol is good enough.
But then again those CDC (cov)idiots don’t recommend taking bleach or disinfectant either, I mean what would these clowns know? They don’t even recognise the expertise of their Comedian In Chief and glorious leader, Donald. I’ll say it again (con)idiots.
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/information-drug-class/qa-consumer…
CDC recommends consumers use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol.
I don't get it, was your comment supposed to be anti-CDC or what?
It was clearly meant to be comically sarcastic, but the author hasn't got the memo that sarcasm is now discouraged, because it's indistinguishable from serious debate in this day and age.
Don't fret my fellow resister. The orange buffoon will be imbleached once again by Mueller Time once again for causing Covid19. We all know it came from his racist arse and not from China. The xenonazis are on the wrong side of history.
No it was obviously a poor attempt at humour. I figured if people didn’t even get the sarcasm, the comedian in chief line would have given it away…obviously for at least 7 people/bots it wasn’t.
Oh well it amused me.
BTW is was also directed at those above who claimed you need 70+% alcohol to be effective against corona viruses…
Clearly the humourless & ignorant are working hard this arvo/evening
Amen brudda. Anyone who doesn't think like us are humourless, arrogant, dumb white rednecks and are likely Russian bots. My psychiatrist tells me I'm right.
Go post on American sites or something, then, if you want upvotes for this hackneyed, unoriginal, 'orange man bad' sarcasm… Not everything has to be about your political frustrations.
@xtremehell: Nothing about political frustrations.
People were claiming above that you need 70% alcohol to be effective against sarscovid2, CDC says 60% is enough. Pretty simple.
This confirms it. We have officially beaten the coronavirus.
Mission accomplished.
We need to make a banner
I bought one of this from Wollowrths $20 last week. It was made in China.
Mine says made in Turkey
Mine says made out of Turkey
Couldn't get Aldi deal. Maybe this will do …
Although maybe I'll camp out for a good 500mL deal. 1L is overkill for me lol.
Bunnings have scotts hand sanitizer back in stock. 950 ml for around the $11 or $12 mark. No one is buying it, I have tonnes, just like TP. LOL
I think the panic has stopped so nobody is actually buying the hand sanitizer because nobody actually needs it. I see toilet paper in stock everywhere too.
Glad things are coming back to normal.
Quite possibly the worst smelling sanitizer on the planet. Castor Oil + "fragrance" = liquid death.
it's robust
This is a huge positive, it's intended to keep people socially distant from you. So in effect it actually doubly protected you from Covid
Bunnings still has 95% alcohol hand sanitizer at $3.97 for 1L.
How is this a deal?
Higher alcohol isnt better. You need it lower (60-80%)
Incorrect. 60-80% Higher numbers cause the cell walls to burn and seal, which means you can be left with live virus cells on your hands.
@Bludger: Ah, I did not know that. Guess I fell into trap of assuming more is always better. Thanks for the correction!
It dries out the skin
Too high and it wont interact with the virus' proteins to the point it can do its job effectively.
Yeah iirc anything over 80% doesn’t actually work. I’ll try and dig our the facts, but alcohol needs water to attach to the virus/bacteria cell wall before it ruptures it.
you are eediot
"Put some water in it" :D
Post the link
hahahahahahahahahahaha
1.5l of hand sanitiser once you add tap water.
This is what I've been using in a spray bottle. Needs to be diluted for the water to do its part in killing the viruses. Also, it's about 10% methanol I believe, and methanol is not good at killing viruses. About 70% ethanol in the final solution is good, use maths. A splash of hydrogen peroxide in there will also help with the virus killing.
Leaves a horrible taste on the hands, so wash with water when can, and if it's used too much, the methanol absorbed into the skin will start giving negative effects, but about 6 times a day on thick skin like the hands is absolutely fine, as long as one takes care that the volatiles evaporate quickly off the skin (2 seconds is sufficient for virus killing at about 70% ethanol) and aren't breathed in in a confined space like the car. Children will be more susceptible to meths sanitiser.
I'll probably get some proper hand sanitiser now it's available.
You want 60-70% ideally for various reasons, the main one being the additional dwell time before evaporation that higher water content provides.
Is this the first time hand sanitiser has been posted on ozbargain? Also, I've been in a coma for 3 months.
Welcome back sir,
thought you need 70% minimum to be effective?
No 60%
In terms of concentration, it depends how it's made and what's in it apparently. According to Therapeutic Goods Australia (government) -
"
Not all hand sanitisers are the same. The effectiveness of an alcohol-based hand sanitiser depends on the amount of alcohol in the formulation. Look for a formulation of at least 60% alcohol in these products.
If you are buying a product that states it is using the World Health Organization (WHO) formula, it should have 80% ethanol or 75% isopropyl alcohol.
"
https://www.tga.gov.au/hand-sanitisers-information-consumers
Waiting for Aqium in stock, it smells like vodka. Bought this brand before, but no alcohol smell at all.
That's more expensive then petrol, ethenols cheaper then hand sanitizer.
Actually ethenol can be easily made at home but the smell of fermentation looks like vomit. ☹️😭
Smell of fermentation looks like vomit.
I believe you're supposed to smell with your nose, not your eyes!
Meani☹️
You can make ethanol at home, but without a still you won't go above about 20%.
I'm still curious about how the smell of fermentation can look like vomit.
😤😤😤
Go to your local United and get E85 for $1/L. Cheaper and higher 85% alcohol.
What are all those people going to do now with all the sanitiser they ordered and try to re-sell for ridiculous amounts?
Less than 2 months ago people were ordering ethanol product for $40/L in liquid form for delivery in 4 weeks time. How things change. I'm glad my local shops have mountains of masks and sanitizer to sell. It's a great sign that we've avoided a disaster.
and to think people were buying hand sanitiser at $80/L or more just a few weeks ago.
I just used diluted meths, sheesh.
Bought some of this in a smaller pump pack for keeping in the car for $5, didn't see a one litre bottle. It's made in Turkey. Can confirm it smells OK, however isn't as nice as Dettol ones.
I would check the label on the actual bottle (as opposed to the website) because it looks the same as someone in the office brought in from a Chemist (size, looks the same, made in Turkey).
Products (pharma, food, therapeutic) need to show ingredients in order of volume – it is mandatory on the label guidelines and prosecutable if companies don’t do it, so everyone complies.
The label on the one someone brought into our office had the first ingredient as water (aqua), and then alcohol.
As the largest ingredient is water, the absolute largest % the alcohol can be is 49%, and was likely less on the one I saw.
If you look at the labels on other hand sanitisers (any brand that is not water based) you will find that the primary ingredient is always alcohol, and often they will say the actual % as well.
I've also found that the ones that are alcohol based tend to say "kills 99%", the one I saw said none of that.
Any bottle that doesn't state the % on it (like the one brought into my office which looked like this) I would worry about.
We refused to use it in our office and made sure we sourced sanitiser that stated the % on the bottle and also had the primary ingredient listed as alcohol, and was >70%.
Just my 2 cents
EDIT - can anyone post a photo of the back label that shows ingredients?
SO MANY of the hand sanitisers I've seen for sale either don't state the ingredients (in which case it's probably household disinfectant), or do state them but don't say what % ethanol. Of those that do, not all of them are above 60%. 70% is better in that the amount of time taken to kill the virus is much shorter, and as it starts evaporating immediately off warm hands, this means one has to be a lot less careful. Best to read labels carefully.
I thought the point of lower alcohol percentage is so that the product doesn't evaporate too fast, so the alcohol can do its work on the virus membrane. Evaporating too fast meaning less contact time and less killing action.
If waters the top ingredient, that's a bit dodgy. Either they don't understand how to structure ingredients lists in Australia, or there's really less alcohol than they state.
Hey, so I actually emailed Kmart asking for the actual percentage (if they had v/v, w/w) since it was weird that the ingredient list had aqua as the first ingredient. This was the response:
"Thank you for getting in touch with us.
Unfortunately, It has a product ingredient of Alcohol 62%, Water, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Glycerine, Propylene Glycol, Fragrance, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice and Tocopheryl Acetate.
If you need further enquiry don't hesitate to contact us."
Does that mean they used 62% alcohol or if the sanitiser is 62% alcohol? Guess I'm shooting off another email, lol.
I just checked the KMart website and all this brand apears to have been removed from their website. If you've bought one of these I'd suggest looking at the label and then possibly having a conversation with KMart.
Or at least don't assume it is predominantly alcohol based and use it accordingly
Again just my 2 cents
small bottles ingredients state 62% alcohol but don't state if this is v/v or w/w 62%v/v = 52% w/w
Standard recommendations are v/v.
75% is what I go for.
Just add 100% isopropanol to raise the alcohol content. Even better make your own.
Thanks…
Will stock up for when pubs reopen.