Should We Wait for Mitsubishi Outlander 2022?

LBuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 10:34

We're in the market for a new car. We've been eye-ing the Mitsubishi Outlander for quite a while as we need a 7 seater and this is the cheapest one but with good reviews (our budget is around $32k). However, we just learned that the new generation is launching early next year and roll out late next year. This is going to be our first car, we want a 7-seater because we tend to have a lot of visitors (obviously not this year).

My dilemma is that we want to buy a car asap (Outlander 2020 model) but I feel that I'll have buyers remorse knowing that the next gen is coming next year. However, I am certain that the price will increase (not sure how huge the jump will be) and could end up well beyond our budget ($32k).

The options I am seeing right now are:

1.) Buy the Outlander 2020 model and suck it up
2.) Wait for the next gen Outlander (and hope the price diff is not that big) and continue renting a car
3.) Wait for the next gen Outlander (and hope the price diff is not that big) and Buy a cheap 2nd hand car

I'm leaning on Point2, the only thing is that I will continue to carry the burden of renting a car everytime we want to go out (wake up early, get the car, inspect for any issues, get pissed about the cost, etc..).

Point 3 is also viable but I have no experience buying a second hand car. I know I will have to do tons of research again on this approach. Also, I am unsure what 2nd hand car we should aim for. I reckon just a cheapo small car to get by. My problem with this is that we'll end up having 2 cars instead of one and buying a cheap 2nd hand car might become a headache (I have no experience with checking for issues when buying a 2nd hand car).
P.S. I know I'm not living up to my name for this particular instance. :(

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Comments

  • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 10:44
    +9

    Who do you plan to carry in the car?

    The number of times I see people say they want a 7-seater to carry family, yet no adult is going to get into the 3rd row, they won't stay there for a decent amount of time without being uncomfortable and claustrophobic, and if you're going out on a decent trip there's no room for luggage, bags etc behind the 3rd row (hope you don't have a pram!). The best is when they'll have 2 kids car seats in the middle row, and somehow expect the adults to jump into the 3rd row!

    Make sure you actually size up the 7-seaters and think of use-case scenarios with them, and how the practicality will work in the real world.

    Oh and there's no doubt the price will increase. Different exchange rates, different safety features, price rises on the competitors.

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 10:59

      We're thinking grandparents and relatives coming over - it would be good to point out that the people we expect to are not particularly tall. But really good point, when we were doing the test drive, my wife seated on the 3rd row and said she was fine but not sure how that would be on a long road trip. Plus your points on the luggage and prams… ugh

      We expect to have 2 bubs so good point on the 2 kids car seats as well. An adult can't sit in between those 2 car seats could they?

      Oh man…. so many things to think of. Seems like we might really have to consider 2 cars.

      • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 11:02
        +19

        We're thinking grandparents and relatives coming over

        Grandparents won't sit in the 3rd row, they won't be able to get in.

        Plus your points on the luggage and prams… ugh

        Yep, you'll need 3rd row down to fit those. Not a chance in hell you can have 6-7 people and pram/luggage

        We expect to have 2 bubs

        Yep, look at 5-seaters, or 7-seaters but with the plans of having 3rd row down. When grandparents are in town, rent a small Corolla or something and take 2 cars. Or hire a Tarago/Carnival and fit everyone in.

        Buy a car for the 90% use case scenario of it being your family of 4's car. Whatever you do, don't buy a car to cater for the 5-10% of the year, if that.

        • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 12:11
          +4

          Buy a car for the 90% use case scenario of it being your family of 4's car. Whatever you do, don't buy a car to cater for the 5-10% of the year, if that.

          This hit me hard. Thank you so much, we are evaluating all our options. We need to understand what is our main use case as opposed to the "good to have" features.

        • andresampras on 11/09/2020 - 13:15
          +2

          Buy a car for the 90% use case scenario of it being your family of 4's car. Whatever you do, don't buy a car to cater for the 5-10% of the year, if that.

          awesome advice.

          Edit: Just re-read the OP. This is going to be your first car. If your budget is $32k, would you consider buying 2x $15k 2nd-hand cars? Gives you the flexibility of taking one or two cars as needed, and lets both drivers go to separate locations simultaneously.

          baby seats will be a bit of a puzzle, and rego/ctp/insurance/fuel costs will increase, but what you otherwise lose in new-car feelgoods, you more than make up in convenience.

          • robbyjones on 12/09/2020 - 18:54

            @andresampras: Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with this suggestion I would add that it takes a lot of uber/taxi/car hire cost before you would break even on the rego/insurance of a second car, not even taking into consideration the running costs.

            • Rimas on 13/09/2020 - 09:32

              @robbyjones: Or you could just rent a 7 seater when your bigger circle is around. Turns out much cheaper in the long run.

      • krisp on 12/09/2020 - 13:21

        You can easily have your grands or adult friends in the last row and there will be still reasonable space left at the back. We had this car back in the Netherlands and it was working really great during long trips with all seats taken and lots of luggage.

        • spackbace on 13/09/2020 - 02:09

          2 car seats in the middle row… Good luck climbing into the 3rd row easily, especially if you're 60+yo

    • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 11:05
      +4

      I had customers come in recently looking at Fortuner, same scenario, and they had plans of fitting 6-7 people in the car and going on trips around the state! I was like:

      "where's the luggage going?"
      "Oh, we hadn't thought about that"
      "Yep, you'll need a trailer for all the other stuff"
      "But then we can't do the 4x4 trips we were thinking about"
      …

      All well and good to get enough seating for the adults on the trip, but have to consider the practicality as well.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2020 - 18:24
        +2

        "where's the luggage going?"
        "Oh, we hadn't thought about that"
        "Yep, you'll need a trailer for all the other stuff"
        "But then we can't do the 4x4 trips we were thinking about"

        Roof rack. Remember, it "isn't available" on some models but that's not your job to check. The sales person has to go through your list of requirements before making a sale.

        • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 18:31
          +3

          Lol I know the reference, but I also mentioned the usual 75-100kg limitation of roof racks and that further confused their thoughts!

          • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2020 - 18:41

            @spackbace: Nah. That limit is silly.

            You can have a few adults sit on the roof and the platform won't even bend.

            Dynamic load you say? That's fancy speak to sell you an expensive off-road trailer.

            (Actual experience in a retail store.)

            • MrBear on 13/09/2020 - 22:01

              @[Deactivated]:

              Nah. That limit is silly.

              It's not so much a "that weight will crush it" factor, it is the "all that weight up top will cause the centre of gravity of this vehicle to be really, really bad" factor.

          • bloom on 11/09/2020 - 19:32
            +4

            @spackbace: Just get the base model RAV4 and put some roof racks on it later LOL

    • jimbobaus on 11/09/2020 - 11:05
      +2

      So much this!!!
      90% of 7 seaters out there have impractical third row seating arrangements
      think i have seen maybe 1 or 2 in my time that an adult could sit in and they certainly were not in the $30K price range

      • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 11:07
        +4

        Yep, people come in thinking Prado, I show them the Tarago/Granvia to better suit their needs for hauling people, always get "Oh I want the SUV shape not the people mover, no I couldn't drive that".

        I sometimes wish I could see how they're going a year later with their plan lol

        Now, where's scotty about his Kia Rondo? 😉

        • jimbobaus on 11/09/2020 - 11:15

          I have sat in the third row of a Landrover Disco, there was enough leg room to be comfortable in that
          but yeah for all practical reasons if you need 7 seats a Tarago or similar is the only way to go.
          Again, not in the OP's price range

          • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 11:18
            +2

            @jimbobaus:

            Again, not in the OP's price range

            And a PITA for trips down the shops etc etc, for the sake of the odd yearly family trip with the grandparents

        • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 15:52
          +2

          V6 Tarago. Such fun. I never thought a people mover could hustle along like they do.

          • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 15:53

            @brad1-8tsi: Grand Carnival was the same, so much power through the front wheels lol

          • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2020 - 18:27
            +1

            @brad1-8tsi: We brought a V6 tarago into 4x4 country and made it out without needing assistance. So much fun.

            Maxed out that crossover angle a fair bit so maybe worthwhile to give it a 2 inch lift and rock sliders.

            • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 18:32

              @[Deactivated]:

              Maxed out that crossover angle a fair bit so maybe worthwhile to give it a 2 inch lift and rock sliders.

              Or just buy a Delica ;)

              • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2020 - 18:39
                +1

                @spackbace: That short wheelbase. I'd be very worried taking it up a gentle slope.

            • brad1-8tsi on 12/09/2020 - 14:05

              @[Deactivated]: On the original Tarago with front torsion bar springs my standard procedure was to screw the front up as much as possible - around 30-40mm IIRC. It really helped going into service stations, etc - especially with big fatties in the front seats (replicated with bags of concrete).

        • [Deactivated] on 11/09/2020 - 18:51
          +2

          I actually want an Alphard. That thing screams, "pimp my ride".

  • Muzeeb on 11/09/2020 - 10:54

    Buy a slightly used 2020 model and trade up in mid 2022 when the new models prices drop.

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 11:00

      How much value is lost when trading up?

  • DannyC on 11/09/2020 - 10:54

    1.) Buy the Outlander 2020 model and suck it up
    2.) Wait for the next gen Outlander (and hope the price diff is not that big) and continue renting a car
    3.) Wait for the next gen Outlander (and hope the price diff is not that big) and Buy a cheap 2nd hand car

    I think you've answered your own question since you've already been eyeing a new car for a while. If it ticks all the boxes for your CURRENT situation and fits within your budget and lifestyle in the NOW not 12 months down the track then just go for it.

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 11:02

      Yeah I guess we would've bought a car now if it weren't for covid (This year alone, 3 groups planned to stay with us). That's the main driver for buying a 7 seater - for visitors.

      Now that international travel is likely on hold until next year Q2, #2 and #3 are the more likely option.

      • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 15:50
        +1

        Buy a people mover. You won't regret it.

  • pegaxs on 11/09/2020 - 11:07
    +1

    Save a heap more and get a low km demo or old stock 2019/2020. Keep that for about 5 years, and when the next update comes, trade in on that. You will skip the early adopter headaches and price increase.

    What is the 2022 model offering that the 2020 one is not?

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 12:12

      Different generation - totally new car as it is sharing the platform with Renault and Nissan (X-Trail). Is it worth it? Time will tell.

      When it comes to trading in, how big is the loss usually?

      • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 15:49

        When it comes to trading in, how big is the loss usually?

        Lots. You buy at retail and trade in at wholesale. The dealer has to make a profit or at least cover costs of holding stock, warranty, presenting the vehicle, paying sales staff, etc

  • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 11:08
    +1

    What is the 2022 model offering that the 2020 one is not?

    MY22 😉

    • jimbobaus on 11/09/2020 - 11:16
      +2

      Maybe new Lights or a better looking grill?

    • pegaxs on 11/09/2020 - 11:21
      +5

      Can’t wait for that thread…

      “Bought a 22MY in Oct ‘21. Went to trade it in and dealer is telling me it’s a ‘21 model. How do I sue the original dealer for the difference?”

      And, for what it’s worth, as the driver of a ‘19MY Outlander, the 7 seat part is a joke. I think there would be more room in the back seat of a Toyota 86 than what is offered in the 3rd row of the Outlander. Definitely not for adults and borderline for anyone in their early teens.

  • martyn on 11/09/2020 - 11:23

    For that budget I would buy a 2018 Kia Sorento - a much better car and still 5 years left on warranty.

  • bobbified on 11/09/2020 - 11:37
    +1

    I hope you test drive it first - drove a rental one of these last year (obviously the current model and not the 2022 model!) and I seriously felt it handled like a boat.

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 11/09/2020 - 12:13

      We did, I feel it was fine. Now another thing we didn't consider is how is the performance with load..

      • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 15:45

        They go OK for a 2.4 (??). You just have to put your foot down more and accept the increased fuel usage. They will never be a rocketship.

  • Euphemistic on 11/09/2020 - 12:36

    There will always be a new model or new features coming. If you need now, buy now.

    If you think the new model is going to be worth the wait and still want a car now buy 2nd hand now and trade later. It’ll cost more though.

  • inherentchoice on 11/09/2020 - 12:57
    -1

    Personally I don't really get why people get new cars. I bought a $9k used car but then decided to go back to a $3.5k used car.

    • TheBilly on 11/09/2020 - 13:20
      +4

      So many reasons.

      • My mechanical intelligence is as much as a gold fish so I rely on a new car to get me around reliably.
      • For some people it is a tool they need running perfectly all day everyday.
      • Some people don't have access to reliable cheap mechanics.
      • Some people prefer a warranty.
      • Some people are rich.
      • List goes on
      • inherentchoice on 11/09/2020 - 13:31
        -1

        My 20yo car never let me down yet. Runs perfectly after 320,000 kms.

        Still don't get it.

        • TheBilly on 11/09/2020 - 13:57

          Some people don't want to take the chance even if nothing will go wrong.

        • Frayin on 11/09/2020 - 15:54

          You'd be the exception, not the rule.

        • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 16:28
          +3

          Thing is, 20yo cars dont just appear by themselves

        • raunak21 on 12/09/2020 - 10:41
          +2

          You don't need to get it, just like I don't get why one would drive a $3500 car. There's a lot more to a car than just a price tag and reliability.

          The most important one in my opinion is safety. A carefully chosen new car will have a LOT more active and passive safety features and much better crash rating - basically the chances of survival for occupants (if that's of any importance) is very high in a new or new-ish car.

          It's also about priorities and taste. Everyone is different and if I had to guess, someone driving a $3500 vehicle is probably not into cars. But some enjoy having a nice car that drives well, has nice features, corners well, has good tech etc… More often than not, you'd have to spend a bit more for a nicer car.

          • Euphemistic on 14/09/2020 - 05:32

            @raunak21:

            someone driving a $3500 vehicle is probably not into cars

            People who are into cars have all sort of different reasons for buying what they do. It’s not just about latest and greatest. Quite often it’s about purchasing something with the heart not the head and a cheap car fits that.

            Friends would say I’m ‘into cars’. When my budget was tight I bought a $1400 91 corolla. It was a great car, fun to drive, cheap to run and fix, easy to modify etc. No regrets at the time, it perfectly suited what I wanted. During single life a Valiant older than I was was a dream car I owned. Big, loud, heaps of character.

    • whooah1979 on 11/09/2020 - 16:30
      +1

      How are people going to buy used vehicles if nobody buys new ones?

      • inherentchoice on 11/09/2020 - 16:58
        -1

        Government and businesses buy new.

  • tissue on 11/09/2020 - 13:04

    In all honesty I would wait till next year, then get a runout of the old shape model. Not sure how much more of a discount you could get as its already a cheap SUV and is also quite popular, but you might also get people that are hanging out for the new shape. They already have quite a few features so I cant see what new features they would be adding other than general NVH improvements, and maybe other out-there features which will usually be limited to the top model (Exceed).

    As per other comments Ive driven a hire one of these and in all honesty it handles no better or worse than any other mid-SUV I have driven (Forester, Rav 4, Koleos, X-Trail). I generally drive and own sports hatchback and sedans and yes it doesn’t handle as well, but its also more suited for its intended purpose of lugging 1-2 kids around.

  • TheBilly on 11/09/2020 - 13:17

    However, I am certain that the price will increase

    They usually have a very big increase in price.

    I remember looking at the Toyota Hilux in 2017, they were clearing SR5 4x4 dual cab versions for $52k as they had a new shape coming in 2018/2019. Now we have a new shape I read somewhere they are selling the same configuration for $62k. It is a slightly different car, but they haven't made $10k in changes - It's just the premium you have to pay for the latest shape. They then gradually drop the price as it gets closer to end of life.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 11/09/2020 - 13:35

    Buy a 2+2 cabriolet; if and when you need more than 5 seats, go rent a Tarago etc.

  • JimB on 11/09/2020 - 15:05
    +1

    You just need to BuyNowThinkLater.

  • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 15:41
    +1

    there's always a new model coming out…

    I've owned several 7 seat SUVs. An Outlander and 2 Captivas and another I can't remember (no emotional or financial attachment to any of them).

    I've also had a couple of Avensis Verso, a Tarago (a loaner) and the latest Honda Odyssey.

    I've done the 2 kids and grandparents visiting thing as well.

    Unless the grandparents are particularly fit & flexible they will struggle to get in an SUV 3rd row, so either your wife or you will be there with one of the kids or the oldies will get sore backs etc. They are great if you are hauling kids around.

    I seem to recall the Outlander 3rd row appeared to be an afterthought compared to the Captiva (don't buy a Captiva). It was all "pull this strap, fold this, press this button." Maybe they have fixed that.

    In most 7 seaters the luggage space disappears to varying degrees the moment the seat goes up. Check to see if you can live with that.

    Unless you are driving on crap dirt roads that need ground clearance or need the AWD the Odyssey is my pick. Better handling, good fuel economy and fun to drive. The kids loved it and access to the third row was great.

    You could probably get a demo 2019 VTi for close to your budget. We had the VTi-L and it was a lot cheaper than Honda's RRP of $50k (at the time) around $42k IIRC.. It was a fleet purchase so a decent discount.

    Good luck with it.

    • spackbace on 11/09/2020 - 15:53

      (no emotional or financial attachment to any of them).

      An Outlander and 2 Captivas

      That's a given!

      • brad1-8tsi on 11/09/2020 - 16:00
        +1

        Company drives being replaced every 12 months. Given a list of cars, tick a box, sign the form and it magically appeared a month or two later. You didn't even know what colour you'd get.

    • netjock on 11/09/2020 - 16:37

      Unless you are driving on crap dirt roads that need ground clearance or need the AWD the Odyssey is my pick. Better handling, good fuel economy and fun to drive. The kids loved it and access to the third row was great.

      Great advice but as Spackbace said, people seems to be tied to the SUV format which lose some room to the engine bay. Irrational attachments of people.

  • Hardlyworkin on 11/09/2020 - 16:34

    Are the Jones's getting the new version? This year's version is still a new car and if they have had a fair run them hopefully this model doesn't have many issues that can sometime.plague the first release.

  • patchydog on 12/09/2020 - 08:22

    you could get a good second hand carnival or a new LDV G10 & you will get plenty of room

  • saltypete on 12/09/2020 - 09:33

    Had a look at the renderings for the upcoming Outlander. I would definitely have buyers remorse if I bought the current shape and the new one came out. But… why not buy a recent used of the current shape now and then get the new one in 2022/3?
    That way you stop renting, get to see if the car suits you as a family and you won’t pay much extra in the longer run, particularly if you see this as reducing the financial risk of buying a new vehicle that turns out to be not what you really want.
    Buying a near new second hand isn’t too onerous, sadistic attention to service history is probably the key.

  • Boogerman on 12/09/2020 - 10:56
    -1

    Get a used Tesla Model X

    • pegaxs on 12/09/2020 - 11:35

      Yeah, because that’s totally within OP’s budget…

      • Boogerman on 12/09/2020 - 11:39

        It is over the life of the car

        • pegaxs on 12/09/2020 - 17:44

          Riiiiiight. It’s $30k vs $120k. OP would have to keep the Tesla for about 75 years just to break even on the roughly $80,000 difference in price.

          So, awesome suggestion.

          • Boogerman on 12/09/2020 - 18:05

            @pegaxs: Ok. Used Tesla Model Y

            • pegaxs on 12/09/2020 - 18:12

              @Boogerman: Model Y is not released in Australia yet, and is tipped to be about $100,000 + on roads when it is… Soooooo, we have gotten the break even point down from 75 years to about 65 years.

              I guess it could be a family heirloom that gets passed from generation to generation…

              • Boogerman on 12/09/2020 - 18:21

                @pegaxs: Depreciation, maintenance & fuel over 10 years probably puts it ahead
                When EVs are common people will be keeping them for far longer

                • pegaxs on 12/09/2020 - 18:32

                  @Boogerman: You can’t be serious? Depreciation alone kills it. Take every other aspect out of it and depreciation alone kills it.

                  The stamp duty and on road costs on the Tesla are almost as much as the whole Outlander. You can kiss that goodbye as soon as you pay for it.

                  An average depreciation on a vehicle is about 8~10% per year For the first few years. At that rate, the Tesla would have lost the equivalent of what a whole Outlander would have cost.

                  There is no way in hell that a Tesla Model Y would ever break even on an Outlander in 10 years. At the 5 year mark, you could literally throw the Outlander in the bin and still be around $50,000+ ahead.

                  You Tesla drivers need to get off the Musk flavoured Kool Aid…

                  • Boogerman on 12/09/2020 - 21:03

                    @pegaxs: Average depreciation is about 25% per year
                    Tesla Model 3 currently loses about 5%

  • MontyMacaw on 12/09/2020 - 12:51

    This is all doing my head in. Get a Limo!

  • nephilim on 12/09/2020 - 13:29
    +1

    As I have suggested in the past when it comes to 7 seater, just get a elgrand. Plenty of places service them and luxury model is cheap

  • BuyNowThinkLater on 12/09/2020 - 18:08
    +4

    H All,

    Thank you very much for all your thoughts and suggestions.

    Yeah, I think we're set on not getting the 7 seater now. It's toss up between getting a second hand car or a demo car (Honda Jazz).

    We'll evaluate in the future whether we'll trade-in again or buy another car (5 seater/7 seater who knows).

    Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/09/2020 - 22:11
      +1

      This might be the best decision change I've ever seen someone come to on OzB.

      Awful use-case 7 seater to 2nd hand/demo city car! Amazing. Well done OP.

      You won't regret the Jazz, they are an awesome car and insanely practical. If/when you test one, fold the back seats down and see how much room there is in the back. Could move half your house.

      • BuyNowThinkLater on 25/09/2020 - 11:33
        +1

        We just got out 2nd hand Jazz delivered today! We're so happy :)

        • [Deactivated] on 25/09/2020 - 11:53

          Amazing mate!!! Congrats. Hope it looks after you for many years.

  • Kegsta on 16/09/2020 - 18:58

    I've been thinking about trying to pick up one of the dozens of MY20 2.4L outlanders the dealers have sitting around for cheap, as the my21 model should be coming soon and there is still 19 plated stock sitting in yards and tons of ex rentals with 15000kms on them for 26k.

    Even if I managed to talk them down to 28k for one, I don't know if it would be a good buy or not compared to a Sportage/Tucson, Wireless android auto should be coming to pretty much every new model and might be worth waiting for.

  • WesthamAreMassive on 16/09/2020 - 19:08

    When is MY21 released?

    • BuyNowThinkLater on 16/09/2020 - 19:53

      I think MY21 is still the old gen - currently being sold? The new gen would be launched early next year and released late next year.

  • joerd on 17/11/2020 - 10:20

    I have same dilemma except im now leaning towards the 5 seat 2020 Phev ES ADAS. 40k run out driveway price. I want extra seat as well but figured that will hardly be used and the grandparents issue .. they can hire a car for a few days. If we go away 7 seats has no storage

    Phev 10 year warranty seem to be way to go

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