I've Had Weight Loss Surgery - It Has Been Amazing - I Can Give Advice

Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 15:55
Last edited 28/09/2020 - 14:53 by 1 other user

In regards to an earlier post I thought I would make my own post to offer advice to those who want to know exactly what surgery can do for you.

Without going into too much detail.

I went from 145 to 75 and have been in maintenance now almost 6 months it has completely changed my life.

I had the gastric bypass surgery which is the more extreme but it has made so much difference to my life.

I'M here for moral support and positive feedback for people who are looking for help. Not looking for NEGATIVE Nancy

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  • bloom on 26/09/2020 - 15:57
    +2

    WHAT’S YOUR SECRET!?
    oh it’s in the title

    • GrueHunter on 26/09/2020 - 16:26
      +14

      Sorry but if willpower and diet let you lose 28kgs, why would you still get surgery?!

      The purpose of a pre-operative diet isn't to lose weight. It's to shrink the liver to reduce potential surgical complications. As any qualified person will tell you, we don't know any medium to long-term mechanisms for losing a significant amount of excess weight and keeping it off. Without surgical intervention, almost all people will develop adaptive thermogenesis; their ghrelin, cortisol, insulin and leptin systems will be f*&^ed; and within between one and two years, they'll put all the weight back on, and then some. We've known this for around 75 years. Keep up.

      Your issue is mental, not physical.

      Cool story, do "people with depression just need to work on their willpower" next

      You know, willpower, that thing that somehow exists outside the brain and isn't regulated by hormones, like a soul or a ghost

      You're quite the scientist

        • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 17:48

          Actually, those with true depression go through chemical lobotomies.

          I do agree though, if OP could lose that much weight through diet alone, I would not have advocated surgery. If I were the surgeon, I would have actually advocated we continue on the VLCD and see where OP's weight plateaus.

          One can only assume that being incredibly obese would have impacted greatly on mobility. If OP could regain mobility then the exercise component should again yield significant results.

          Yes, maybe it won't take OP to 75kg and probably take a lot longer but it is a better option.

          • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 19:47

            @[Deactivated]:

            Actually, those with true depression go through chemical lobotomies.

            Wait, what?

            • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 21:38

              @iridiumstem: Anti-depressants.

              • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 21:43

                @[Deactivated]: Anti-depressants don't work that way though.

                Some researchers do argue that it's being thrown willy nilly like what they did with lobotomies in 1940s, but that's just more of a metaphorical comparison. And I think even then, the argument is more for mild to moderate depression.

                • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 21:45

                  @iridiumstem: I was being metaphorical with the word lobotomy. It's like chemical castration.

                  No one is actually disolving their jimmies in a cat of acid.

                  At least not that I know of.

                  • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 21:55

                    @[Deactivated]: It's a horrible metaphor then. Castration or lobotomy to me sounds like you cannot reverse the effects.

                    SSRIs and MAOIs are common ones they prescribe and they basically stop your brain from absorbing neurotransmitter.
                    People do come off the meds, doctors are slightly hesitant since there are side effects to discontinuation of it.

                    Also, just a side note, I know a lot of media portrayal of lobotomisation or how chemical castration gives me the vibe that it's going to make you feel numb… anti-depressants are there to help with the symptoms which includes prolonged feelings of sadness and loss of interest and more. It does exactly opposite of that.

                    Which is argued on for moderate to mild depression, but that's probably digressing too much.

                    • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 21:56

                      @iridiumstem: You're overthinking the colloquialism.

                      • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 21:58
                        -2

                        @[Deactivated]: It's a terrible colloquialism though, especially given how much crap mental illness gets from media.

                        yeah, maybe I am overthinking it a little, but it's still shit colloquialism.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 16:48
      +2

      Remove all other considerations and just consider the two options.

      1. OP stays morbidly obese without surgery.

      2. OP is in a healthy weight (health referring to weight only) through surgery.

      I think option 2. is better.

      The path OP has chosen has no bearing on us. I do not consider it an option for me as I know the complications and the implications but again, doesn't affect me.

      (If anything, it's actually better for me. I do not particularly tolerate making room for people who take up more room through gross neglect.)

      As long as OP doesn't promote surgery, and dismiss diet and exercise, I really don't care one way or the other.

      I don't think OP is here promoting a gastric bypass.

      • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 23:08
        +2

        Exactly it is only a last resort and it's a personal choice. I'm just saying it shouldn't be such a Taboo subject nor should it be criticised if people feel they need the medical help.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 23:13
          -1

          It's not taboo. I know a few people who have lipo, bands and gastric bypasses. Call it taboo if it makes it exciting but it really isn't.

          People can criticize as they please. No one is immune from it. Most people don't "need" the medical help. They have other options, they just choose the most convenient and that's really their choice.

          People are free to take the easy road and others are free to criticize them for it. I'm sorry if that takes the drama/fun out of it.

          • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 23:24
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: Some people have no other options and there is nothing easy about surgery you have no idea how much changes are need to be made and long term vitamin regime and to keep yourself accountable.

            I suffered with obesity issues for over 15 years and tried numerous things and only until I had surgery did my life truly change for the better.

            The way I see it if you can get a little kick start from surgery why not try it?

    • Sunshines bright on 27/09/2020 - 08:35
      +2

      I had it too and you do not understand physiology if you think willpower alone is how you lose weight!!! And in 30 years. I will be 85, so what do you think is to happen then?

  • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:14
    +9

    It has been the best decision i ever made. It has changed my biology and my metabolism. I'm like a new man now.

    Many times before in dieting i lost weight but my body always wanted to put it back on no matter how much I tried and my surgeon told me all about the physiological changes that happen with the gastric bypass.

    It has changed my body and my metabolism which is something I definitely needed.

    Without surgery I wouldn't have been able to achieve such results and it's the best choice I've ever made in my life.

    I no longer suffer from diabetes or blood pressure issues and look and feel amazing.

  • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:15
    +5

    There's tons of scientific research to support the facts that some people just have a bad metabolism

  • GangGang on 26/09/2020 - 16:18
    +4

    How much did it cost?

    • perhaps on 26/09/2020 - 21:12

      was it a bargain

      • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 23:25
        +3

        Small price to pay for a whole new life

  • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:19
    +7

    Well I had to get health insurance otherwise it can cost up to 20K but after insurance it only cost me 4000 and that covered everything including my own private room in private hospital and life time care from my surgeon.

    Best investment ever!!!!

    • Adredocto on 26/09/2020 - 16:29
      +3

      Good for you. People have their own opinions on whether surgery is the 'right' thing to do but if something works for you, and this obviously has then congrats and enjoy living a happier and healthier life! 😁

      You are spot on with food and psychology. So much emotion attached to food it's a bit ignorant that people can think it's as easy as just eating less through willpower alone.

      • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:30

        Thank you yes of course you need to be mentally ready for these changes. Surgery is no magic.

  • dust on 26/09/2020 - 16:23
    -6

    Weight loss can be summed up in four words. Eat less. Move more.

    • Adredocto on 26/09/2020 - 16:30
      +11

      Sure and quitting smoking is as easy as not lighting up.
      But the psychology, addiction and marketing are all working against you. Same goes for food.

    • photonbuddy on 26/09/2020 - 16:52
      +9

      We hear this from so many people in threads like this. They all tend to have one thing in common, though, and that is they have never been overweight.

      Quitting smoking/alcohol is different. You don't need them. It's very difficult to go cold turkey on food.

      Having said that, it does come down to willpower. Anyone who tries to call out someone for not having the willpower is a real sad sack in my opinion.

      Losing weight, and more importantly, keeping it off, is one of the hardest things to do.

      • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 17:31
        +1

        Thank you sir

      • SlavOz on 26/09/2020 - 19:19
        -1

        Quitting smoking/alcohol is different. You don't need them. It's very difficult to go cold turkey on food.

        This is so wrong. Most people do not gain weight by eating too much - they gain weight by eating too much of the wrong food. Your body doesn't need chips, sugar, or even carbs either. All you need is fat and protein.

        People who follow low carb diets can generally eat as much as they want and still lose weight. You're kidding yourself if you think you need to deny your body essential nutrients in order to lose weight.

        • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 20:07
          +2

          Keto diet is… well I did lose a lot of weight that way once, but I gained it all back.
          I couldn't keep up with it and, I don't have any evidences on this, but I felt like it put a lot of strain on my body.

        • photonbuddy on 26/09/2020 - 21:33
          +3

          I think you'll find a zero carb diet is not recommended by anybody!

          To try and claim we don't need chips (potato's), sugar, or even carbs (pretty much ALL fruits and veges) is just idiotic.

          If you try a diet of fat and protein, you'll be dead long before you reach anywhere near your goal weight.

          Low carb (NOT no carb!) can work, and very well. Problem is, it is hard to maintain, especially if you live alone, or have a busy life.

          Yet again, a poster who simply does not understand the psychology of being overweight, and believes it's just a matter of eating less.

          Well … Me Genius … every overweight person KNOWS this.

      • Gekov on 28/09/2020 - 13:32

        "Losing weight, and more importantly, keeping it off, is one of the hardest things to do"

        Only for some people.

        Years ago I went on a starvation diet and brought my weight down quite dramatically, without drugs or surgery.

        Some people obviously don't have enough motivation or will power to do this, that's why 99% fail.

        The benefits were amazing! My blood pressure returned to normal and people noticed that I looked at least 10yrs younger than I was.

        One medical specialist was amazed that I was 65 years old when he had estimated me to be in my forties!

        The trick is to keep busy and avoid thinking of food.

        After a while your stomach shrinks and starvation becomes much easier (quite easy actually) so you have to be careful you don't starve yourself to death.

        Obviously OP did not reach that threshold!

        • ngengerous on 09/10/2020 - 16:33

          What were the details of your starvation diet? I'd be very interested in how you structured it - I did a 30 day fast a few years back and it threw my metabolism way off. How did you manage the change back to a standard diet?

    • ssquid on 26/09/2020 - 18:43
      +1

      Eat more, move less. Got it!

      (You didn't say the words had to stay in that order.)

  • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:25
    +3

    I don't care my surgeon even said some people just can't do that some peoples DNA are working against them.

    So I'm here to advocate for anyone who needs the extra help if you can afford to do it then why not. Why not get some medical intervention.

    • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 17:43

      Mate, your surgeon is selling you the surgery or just giving you lip service.

      I don't have an issue with surgeons performing the procedure but I have an issue when they lie.

      We have moved the goal post for obesity since the industrial revolution and obesity is still significantly greater than before. Unless you/surgeon is trying to pass off human evolution in a span of 200 years, obesity is due to overconsumption and sedentary lifestyles.

      Metabolic disorders that make people double in weight is extremely extremely extremely rare. Some people may be predispositioned to be heavier set but not double to triple a healthy BMI.

      • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 17:48
        +2

        Well I'm just saying it has worked out well for me and changed everything for me so I am giving people hope that they can get help if they need it. But yes it is definitely last resort

  • BOGOF on 26/09/2020 - 16:26

    Calories in, calories out.

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:29
      +4

      There will always be the skinny People who don't understand and I get that until you've lived in the shoes of some one who suffered from obesity you'll never know…

      • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 16:46
        +2

        I agree with calories in calories ouT - someone who lost 25% of weight due to over eating, but good on you. Hope you stay active and healthy, dont ruin the opportunity you have.

        • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 16:48

          Thank you for your input but not everyone is the same and I see no issue with getting medical help

          • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 16:53
            +1

            @Willco88: Wasn't saying that, but good on you.

      • SlavOz on 26/09/2020 - 19:25
        -1

        There will always be the skinny People who don't understand

        No, there will always be fat people who don't understand that skinny people aren't the lucky ones you think they are. I have a weight problem too - I'm medically underweight. It's not any easier. In fact, in a famine or electricity crisis you'd be able to survive and stay warm much easier than I could.

        Part of my issue is lack of consumption, which is also due to the size of my stomach. After years of medical problems my body got used to a limited diet so my stomach shrunk.

        Now I have never thought of having surgery to stretch out my stomach to allow me to eat more.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 19:30

          If you're worried about sustenance during famine, stocking up on canned foods is less invasive than gut surgery.

          I'd rather be underweight than truly have an underperforming metabolism.

          • SlavOz on 26/09/2020 - 19:47
            -1

            @[Deactivated]:

            If you're worried about sustenance during famine, stocking up on canned foods is less invasive than gut surgery.

            Don't think stocking up on food is an option during a famine. That's why it's a famine.

            I'd rather be underweight than truly have an underperforming metabolism.

            And this only shows you have no experience from the other side. Being underweight causes just as many issues and risks as being overweight- everything from reflux disease, digestive problems, and negative self-esteem.

            Why do you think underweight people got there in the first place? It's because they generally need to follow a strict diet which means they lose weight. It's not as simple as "oh, you have a quick metabolism, you can just eat whatever you want and not have to worry".

            I guarantee you my diet is more restricted than anyone with obesity.

            • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 20:16
              +1

              @SlavOz: Actually, famine means crop failure or similar. If you have food stores, you can ride our a famine.

              I have had a metabolic, multiple major GI ulcers and a severe case of salmonella (10 days in hospital). I weighed 19kgs when I was 9. I looked like a starving ethiopian. My parents often had to explain that I am not being abused or neglected. I only got back on the bell curve when I was in uni.

              So I do have some experience of being underweight.

              Then I was on a high performance diet when I was competing in sports. I got down to (deliberately) around 5% body fat. I had to eat every 2-3 hours or I go seriously woozy.

              Now I'm tub o lard. (10% above healthy BMI). I haven't experienced obesity… yet.

              All in all, I think being underweight is better than being obese. It's better to swim around in a big suit that feel like a leg of ham all strung up.

              • SlavOz on 26/09/2020 - 20:35
                +1

                @[Deactivated]: It doesn't sound like you've experienced particularly severe side effects of the weight spectrum.

                Make no mistake we live in a fat society. Fat privilige is real - most food portions are catered to fat people, most clothes and accessories are designed with larger people in mind by default. It's very hard to find clothes that fit well when you're skinny because they hardly make them. Meanwhile we've literally got clothing lines marketed exclusively to plus-size people. Most shopping centres, offices, etc set a default temperature that is comfortable fat people, they never consider the fact that there might be someone skinny who doesn't appreciate being blasted by cold air on a winters day just because most people sweat too easily due to their body fat.

                • slewis69au on 27/09/2020 - 12:23

                  @SlavOz: I can see where you're coming from but i have had this argument before - with someone wearing a F*&ING singlet.

                  There are two options, you put more clothes on or they take more clothes off. You choose.

                  I am overweight and expressed it that way to the singlet wearer who responded with "Right, i will go get a jacket".

              • ngengerous on 09/10/2020 - 16:46

                @[Deactivated]: You're exactly right here. I've been both pretty skinny and pretty fat, and I'd take skinny any day of the week. Until I gained a load of weight, I never realised how exhausting it is - I'm talking 30+ BMI here. Lifting things, cycling, walking up stairs, walking around normally, even breathing is much more of a chore than it ever was - especially noticeable from knowing what it felt like to be much skinnier.

  • tsunamisurfer on 26/09/2020 - 17:10
    +1

    OP…who footed the bill for this operation?

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 17:15

      The insurance company paid majority that's what they are for. I paid the gap.

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 17:19

      I know some people can go through public system but that was going to take years so I chose to pay

  • follow on 26/09/2020 - 17:19
    +2

    before/after pics?

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 17:21
      +2

      Not putting personal private photos in a random site like this I've told you what I've done. I weigh myself regularly and log my intake. And doing amazingly.

      • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 17:37
        +2

        But we want to ogle.

      • bobbified on 26/09/2020 - 17:47
        +5

        Without the head, of course!

  • Dlw on 26/09/2020 - 18:27
    +1

    How has your diet changed? Are you eating the same foods as you did before- just in smaller portions?

    Have you had to incorporate physical activity/gym?

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 18:34
      +1

      You have to change everything because you literally cannot eat much at all for months you have to start of very small portions and healthy is best but it is like soft and liquid type food in the beginning; there are stages you go through every couple of months until your stomach can tolerate real foods; everyone is different some people do revert back to the bad habits after a while but that is not a good idea, the idea is to learn new habits while you're recovering and eating very small portions. Sure you can add a few things in after a while if you like but very little so that most of what you are eating is nutritious.

      I have home equipment like a bike because of covid19.

      But it has mostly been due to the change of my diet and the low calories for the most part.

      But I've also noticed now I can eat more variety and even have a few treats without actually gaining any weight unlike before I would put on weight just looking at food so that is why I know the surgery has changed my metabolism.

      But yes you do need to learn better habits to be most successful…

  • c64 on 26/09/2020 - 18:42
    +1

    145kg -> 75kg? congratulations. but you must have some mighty loose skin

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 18:45

      Actually not everyone suffers from excess skin. I'm not sure why but I'm only young in my 30s and I drink tons of water. I've actually been lucky sure there's some skin but that can be addressed once I'm able to go back to the gym and get into weights training?

      Even so anything is better than being morbidly obese and unfit and can't breathe.

      • DoctorCalculon on 27/09/2020 - 01:09

        Actually not everyone suffers from excess skin

        So, what exactly happens to the excess skin after such a major weight loss?

        • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 12:54
          +1

          From my experience it seems that the skin will retract and is like it's disappeared but after months and months it will slowly retract but there are some people who suffer from alot of skin

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 23:11

      Thank you

    • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 12:52

      Yes it has been amazing best investment ever

  • leiiv on 26/09/2020 - 19:02

    Any changes to your appetite and food intake before and after surgery? IE, do you eat less or more after the surgery?

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 19:04
      +1

      As listed above for the first year my appetite was very low and your stomach is very small in the beginning.

      I was always hungry before surgery, always craving food constantly.

      Now with the new and improved stomach and the bypass of the intestines I don't get hungry much at all.

      Eat much less

      • DoctorCalculon on 27/09/2020 - 01:11

        Eat much less

        What about your energy levels? Do you get any brain fog due to a reduction in less blood sugar compared to before your surgery?

        • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 01:21
          +1

          Well my blood sugar is normal now losing all the weight fixed all my medical issues.

          In the early days I will admit I had less energy obviously due to less intake.

      • leiiv on 27/09/2020 - 19:54
        +1

        That is a very good result. So it seems that our appetite is not only psychological.

        • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 20:26

          Not exactly no there's alot that goes on inside your body and there's a hormone called ghrelin hormone and leptin hormone.

          And it works differently with obese people so the surgery changes that.

  • trustnoone on 26/09/2020 - 19:08

    Has your eating habits changed completely since before the surgery, as in are you largely just eating maintance weight now, or feel like it could come back to more eating?

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 19:10

      I've replied a few times yes you eat very little for months.

      I am in maintenance now so I eat more than I did the first month's but no way near what I did before surgery..

      I eat like a normal human being not a pig…

      • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 19:14

        How did you eat prior to surgery?

        • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 19:15
          +1

          Was always hungry. Eating constantly. Felt like I could never get full. Was hell…

          • [Deactivated] on 26/09/2020 - 19:24

            @Willco88: I get like that now still. I cheat my body by stuffing it with celery due to the calorie deficit, yet the body feels full - costs alot, but body is full!

          • photonbuddy on 26/09/2020 - 21:39
            +2

            @Willco88: So … do you no longer feel hungry?

            I think this is one of the major problems with just cutting down what you eat to lose weight.

            Feeling hungry at bed time, for example, makes it hard to sleep on your back.

            Getting rid of the hunger, when the body doesn't actually need food, would be a massive win for science.

            • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 21:43
              +1

              @photonbuddy: No way near as much as I used to. There's alot of science behind Hunger.

              There is an actual hormone connected to our stomach and the surgery is able to cut it out or most of it. but also the reduction in the stomach size helps.

              It is so good to actually feel full and to eat like a normal person… And my food bill has been cut in half. Lol.

  • SlavOz on 26/09/2020 - 19:27
    -3

    Are procedures like this covered my Medicare? Serious question, I can't imagine why the overwhelmed public system should be further burdened by providing quality-of-life surgeries.

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 19:29

      I'm not sure I think there are ways to go through the publics system but there's so many actual rules and tests and waiting lists to get it covered. In this country they are backward in their thinking because I know In the UK it is very easy to go thru NHS because they see a saving of millions of dollars by doing surgery and preventing obesity related illnesses

    • slewis69au on 27/09/2020 - 12:25
      +2

      This is a pretty silly perspective - if you DON'T do those sorts of surgeries then huge amounts of other more costly surgery will be required, wear on the public system due to complications, diabetes, etc.

      Anything they can spend to reduce the obesity issue has a huge downstream saving.

      • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 12:56
        +1

        Yes that's my view but Australia is behind in their thinking unfortunately. The public system is so backed up I would have been waiting years.

  • matt3 on 26/09/2020 - 21:13
    +1

    I'm wondering if you have to deal with people (friends/family) still treating you as if you are in your pre-operative body? Do you need to change their perceptions? If so, how are you doing this? Sometimes life changes like this precipitate a complete change in social connections as part of shedding your old life.

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 21:39
      +2

      No most people tell me they are happy for me and are amazed how well I've actually done. But I do make sure all my friends are positive people.

      It does take time for people to adjust to seeing me looking fit and healthy as most people expect you to fail and that is expected.

      But what do I enjoy is how strangers and regular people seem to give you more attention especially now that I can shop like normal people not in the BIG MEN section anymore.

      Girls are generally nicer as well which is good but there are a few old friends who are still living unhealthy toxic lives and they do get jealous of my successes and I've noticed those people don't associate with me as much because I'm no longer my old obese depressed self..

  • iridiumstem on 26/09/2020 - 21:19
    +3

    It really does sound like it made you feel lot better as well as make you lose weight. You sound proud and happy, and so should you :)

    • Willco88 on 26/09/2020 - 21:39
      +3

      Yes definitely changed everything including my mental health which is expected

  • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 04:58
    +1

    I just hope I can give others who suffer from obesity disease a light at the end of the tunnel that you don't have to suffer there is hope & it is possible to beat the obesity.

    I never thought it would be possible but I am now living proof. Down 70kilos and healthy BMI.

    Thank you to everyone who offered positive responses and don't let the other narrow minded fools bother you.

  • lew380 on 27/09/2020 - 07:58
    +4

    My coworkers all seem to struggle with excess weight gain while I do not. They all wonder in amazement and ask me why I am so blessed with "skinny genes" while they whinge that they are just born fat and can't lose weight no matter how hard they try. This is apparent even though i don't eat particularly healthy. I can enjoy a pizza for lunch and other unheathy food.

    We all have a fairly active job, on average, walk 2-5km a day in hot conditions but also have plenty of office time in between.

    But the following I have noticed.

    1. At around 10-11 am, they ALL have either a packet of M&M's, soft drink, iced coffees etc around their desks. While I do not.

    2. For lunch, they eat similar to me, but smother everything with sugar laden sauce and various additives.

    3. Then for afternoon tea, they are so tired from all that junk food and sugar, they need another <insert junk food of choice> as pick me up to get to 5:30.

    Then they whinge about how they need to lose weight, and are considering gastric surgery because diet and exercises just don't help at all!?!!!!!!!!!!!???!

    Maybe a fat gene exists for some, but for 99.9% of the other fatties it's just their own ignorance and lack of will power. It's not rocket science, cut out sugar, stop eating yourself into an early grave and enjoy your life without expensive surgeries for the most easily treatable "disease" in the world!

    • lgacb08 on 27/09/2020 - 08:28
      +3

      Yeah, this guy nails it, the devil is in the details and it's always easy to blame it on the gene.

      • slewis69au on 27/09/2020 - 12:28
        +3

        So keep fat shaming and telling people it's all their fault because of their poor willpower.

        Might make you feel good but it's been a spectacular failure of perspective and policy.

        I don't care about anything other than things that work - fat shaming and telling them it's all calories in and calories out has been a spectacularly failure so why keep doing it?

        • Willco88 on 27/09/2020 - 12:57

          Exactly there is actual scientific research that says certain people need medical intervention

        • lew380 on 27/09/2020 - 20:46

          Given that they are killing themselves with food, fat shaming might actually save lives. Should we tell them not to worry? Would you see someone with a disease, and pretend like it doesn't exist, dam their lives to ruin to save hurt feelings?

          • slewis69au on 28/09/2020 - 12:15
            +1

            @lew380: You're not getting it at all.

            Feelings are irrelevant - your notions about what might work are also irrelevant.

            Fat Shaming and telling people it's simple willpower has failed, totally categorically failed, in fact it's made the problem worse and caused more people to be Obese and die and increased related depression and other conditions. The "food pyramid" and promoting low fat diets with no scientific basis has made the problem worse - we need to look at what works.

            • lew380 on 29/09/2020 - 08:30

              @slewis69au: I would agree, conventional diet wisdom is wrong, fats and meat are not bad while carbs and sugars get ignored. The food pyramid is 40 years out of date.

              It is all will power, fat shaming is the last line of defense and other methods are preferred for sure, but there needs to be some social shaping to discourage unhealthy lifestyles. Like all addictions and ignorance related problems, it's a multi faceted approach to combat it. Different things work for different people.

          • Willco88 on 28/09/2020 - 18:02

            @lew380: Yes why don't we make ppl feel worse than they already do and potentially bring on depression and more anxiety and then possibly suicide

            • lew380 on 29/09/2020 - 08:38

              @Willco88: They should feel bad, no one should be sick and unaware of their disease, that's a lot more dangerous, ignorance of obesity results in more death and disease.

              Depression and suicide are seperate issues and these things should be treated aswell. Feeling bad about your lifestyle and then wanting to kill yourself are gulfs apart.

              • slewis69au on 29/09/2020 - 12:22

                @lew380: You're still not getting it - it's been conclusively proven that making people feel guilty about their problems whilst it make make sanctimonious people feel good it achieves nothing - in fact it makes the problem worse.

                Shaming a drug taker pushes them further into their addiction - it might make you feel good but it's counter productive.

                Read some behavioral economic texts, study public policy and you'll see what i mean.

                Education and shaming are NOT the same thing.

                • lew380 on 29/09/2020 - 23:34

                  @slewis69au: Your right, they are not the same thing. Shame does work, maybe not for everyone, complicated mental situations might give funny results but overall, shaming results in MUCH less of said activity or action. Your sounding a bit progressive, I'm sure you can find a few studies to tickle whatever you want to believe. Just "be yourself" and ignore reality kind of studies.

                  I'm not suggesting that public shaming is the best option, its very mean, but it gets results. People care a lot about how other people perceive them, if they don't, then they have a whole host of mental problems to wade through as well

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