Ryzen 3600 Not Performing Well

Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 14:49
Last edited 03/10/2020 - 16:27

So long story short I have built a number of ryzen 3600 builds myself.

I have a new 3600 build and all of my previous builds have hit 4200ghz boost frequencies under stock settings and are stable under lower voltages. This is the first one I have got which doesn't seems to boost to 4200 under stock settings (3900 max) and when testing it, needs a much higher voltage settings (than my previous 3600's) to even reach 4200. I know earlier 3600 were not binned as well as the 2020 3600 versions, but I wanted to ask has anyone else noticed this variance in ryzen chips?

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Comments

  • randomusername2017 on 03/10/2020 - 14:56
    +7

    lmao

    Overvolted techfast system and you're worried about cpu binning…

  • This Guy on 03/10/2020 - 15:15
    +3

    It is a prebuilt. It needs to be built cheap to be competitive.

    Building a PC take around an hour. That employee needs to be paid so they will show up next week. There needs to be profit so the owner will decide to keep the doors open. If a built PC costs similar to what it will cost you in parts alone, they are using cheaper parts than you would.

    You are getting what you paid for.

    • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:22

      I'm wasn't concerned about their pricing model but thanks for the justification on price.

      • This Guy on 03/10/2020 - 15:32

        I don't think you understand. Cheaper parts mean lower performance. Look at the issues with Nvidia's 3080 over the last week.

        • Zachary on 05/10/2020 - 23:52

          The 3090 also had its issue too and I wouldn't call that a cheap card…even if it's from a crappy no name brand….

          • This Guy on 06/10/2020 - 19:52

            @Zachary: The issue with 3000's was incorrectly filtered power systems so save ~$1 per card.

            Same issue with cheap pre built's. Cheaper PSU's. Motherboards with cheaper power systems. Cheaper accessories that can create power quality issues.

            Things casual users will not notice that can reduce peak performance slightly.

            • Zachary on 18/10/2020 - 03:43

              @This Guy: Have they all rectified that issue or nah?

              • This Guy on 18/10/2020 - 07:27

                @Zachary: Downclocked in the driver so they don't cause as sharp power spikes. Almost no depreciation in performance.

                AiB partners are moving to the recommended config. Asus irc was untounched by this issue.

                Still need a PSU with at least +20% of your system draw to stop over current protection tripping on rampup's in load

                • Zachary on 06/11/2020 - 03:01

                  @This Guy: Hmmm, so they cheaped out on the modules…..shamefru dispray! Good on Asus for letting it all down!

                  Can't believe nvidia's still out of stock of the 3000 series cards….surely it cant be that hard to print out more cards, can it? You got a bloody factory!

  • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:32

    I've just repasted the cpu, its a MFG date of March this year, so I don't think that's the issue as originally thought. All of my recent builds have been from MFG May this year which from my research had better production. The issue is my other builds I could drop temperatures but about 20 degrees by using lower voltage and push much higher performance. Talking about +15% on cinebench with a 15-20 degree temperature drop. Currently I am maxing the stock cooler out for a lot less performance.

    • zombrex on 04/10/2020 - 01:19
      +2

      Every CPU is different. That is the silicone lottery.
      Just because you under volted one CPU successfully is no guarantee it will work with another. You are trying to both under volt and overclock at the same time which is even more demanding. Your are not evening using a better cooler! Your expectations are totally unreasonable.

      • Voucherd on 04/10/2020 - 01:42
        +1

        Yeah look I realise that now, the last builds all performed well so I guess I didn't expect such a variance and assumed something must be wrong. 4200+(on the last 4 builds) boost versus 3900 stock not to mention the higher voltages, max temps, at lower performances! Anyway, looks like I'll need to buy a new cooler just for this chip.

  • oscargamer on 03/10/2020 - 15:33
    +6

    OP - your title is misleading and incorrect.

    Your CPU is performing as advertised.

    Be careful bad mouthing a company online.

    PS - I have absolutely nothing to do with Techfast, I just don't like people that shoot off their mouths, blaming a n other for something that's not faulty. They just need to adjust their expectations.

    • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:38

      I think thats a fair call, wasn't intending for that and have now removed any mention of that from my topic/post.

      • oscargamer on 03/10/2020 - 15:47

        Your point is still as valid.

        • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:56

          So I'm assuming as long as my cpu is reaching a minimum of 3.6 mhz stock, my cpu performing as advertised? Strictly talking about cpu and boost/advertised stock clocks here.

          • Trance N Dance on 03/10/2020 - 17:04
            +2

            @Voucherd: Unless the CPU is not hitting performance advertised by FastTech and AMD, your CPU is performing as required. Any overclocking you can squeeze out of the CPU is silicon lottery.

  • MagicMushroom on 03/10/2020 - 15:36
    +1

    Sounds like it's performing as expected.

  • scrimshaw on 03/10/2020 - 15:37
    +7

    I thought it was common for 3000 series CPU's to not hit boost clocks printed on the side of the box, I participated in De8auer's hardware survey and my 3700x can only hit 4.3ghz consistently. The results can be seen / watched on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSoZAdk_E8

    Here’s everything that De8auer found:

    94.4% of 3900X CPUs don’t hit boost clock.
    73.3% of 3800X CPUs don’t hit boost clock.
    85.3% of 3700X CPUs don’t hit boost clock.
    90.6% of 3600X CPUs don’t hit boost clock.
    50.2% of 3600 CPUs don’t hit boost clock.

    • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:42

      Ok that's good info, looks like my expectations were skewed from my previous builds. A good takeaway is it is worth knowing when your chip was produced as I wasn't aware until now of that most 3600 aren't reaching boost clocks. I honestly had expected that as a minimum but looks like that expectation was wrong

    • RichardMelbourne on 03/10/2020 - 15:50

      So that's false advertising then, isn't it?

      • Zachary on 05/10/2020 - 23:56

        False advertising, false advertising, reported for false advertising!

    • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 15:52

      Just to be clear my cpu in question doesnt boost above ~3900mhz from stock/new.

    • Nousernamehere on 03/10/2020 - 18:46
      +1

      Wasn’t that issue fixed by AMD with a BIOS update?

  • randomusername2017 on 03/10/2020 - 16:43

    Try swapping the CPU into one of your previous builds and compare results…

    • Voucherd on 03/10/2020 - 17:04

      That's a good idea I'll swap it out tonight and check the results

  • apsilon on 03/10/2020 - 17:19
    +1

    There's so much more to it than just the CPU. Is this build the same motherboard and PSU as your other builds at least? Have the right BIOS version installed? Have the right AMD drivers installed? Are your temps right?

  • aussieprepper on 03/10/2020 - 17:53

    It could be a power setting. Play with different power settings and see if that helps?

  • Trance N Dance on 03/10/2020 - 19:24

    Knowing the CPU is one thing, but what are the other components and settings?
    Motherboard, PSU, RAM, power settings and BIOS version. Techfast don't exactly use quality components to accommodate the cheaper price point.

  • Arcticsoldier on 03/10/2020 - 21:20
    +1

    AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600
    Specifications

    of CPU Cores

    6

    of Threads

    12
    Base Clock
    3.6GHz
    Max Boost Clock
    Up to 4.2GHz

    On the amd website it says up to so anything between 3.6 and 4.2 boost is within specs. Its also known amd is using dies that can't hit certain speed on lower end cpu. You either got a crap CPU that can't over clock well or your other parts are holding it back

    • Zachary on 05/10/2020 - 23:59

      overclock to 4.2ghz on all 6 cores so u dont have to worry about boost which varies between core count usages…when you can have all 6 boosted at max on the get go! I'm assuming boost no longer functions if u overclock passed 4.2ghz?

  • So lo on 04/10/2020 - 04:26
    +1

    What are your CPU temps like?

    Gamers Nexus found that for every 5°C above 55°C, you will lose 50MHz on Ryzen3000 processors.

    So if youre 3900@85°C you might be able to see:
    3950@80°C
    4000@75°C
    4050@70°C
    4100@65°C
    4150@60°C
    4200@55°C

    If you've got other builds, steal a better cooler and throw it in there and/or take off the side panel of the case and let us know your findings.

  • smashman42 on 04/10/2020 - 13:22

    How'd this go?

    You flash the bios for that build's board or swap the chips yet?

    I assume repasting didn't do squat?

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