What does this mean in a Job Ad ?
"This role is currently being advertised internally after having gone through the Expression of Interest process. If you think this role is the right fit for you, we encourage you to apply"
Does this mean they did not find the right candidate through EOI and are still looking for the right fit and none of the previous applicants will be considered?
They probably just didn't get enough external interest, so are including existing employees also.
Maybe it means "We're going to hire internally but legally we have to advertise this position"?
Much like "the position is only being advertised internally please show eoi for an interview", even when they know who they're giving the position to.
but legally
which law?
Exactly that. They know who they want and decision has been made, but to avoid people complaining and give the (false) idea of a fair selection process, they advertise internally and hope no one else will be applying.
I don't think having someone already selected is the problem here, that's fair enough if they want to give a position to someone who's been working there. The problem is to make people think they have a chance when they don't. Just a waste of time and energy.
Both public and private companies do that to show they are compliant with internal policies and regulations.
Yep, so annoying. I stopped applying for eoi jobs at my company because of this. Unless I receive a comment from a higher up saying 'i think you should apply for this' which implies you have a chance or you're on their list.
Both public and private companies do that to show they are compliant with internal policies and regulations.
Perhaps the problem is with the policies and not the actual entities who are forced to follow them?
Australia is already way too over-regulated, it baffles me when I see how many more laws are being proposed or submitted. Pretty soon it'll be illegal to go shopping without first doing the hokey-pokey, turning around, clapping 3 times and then submitting an expression of interest to enter the premise.
Agree 100%.
Hypocrisy is everywhere. People are pressured to send those institutional emails with the aboriginal flag, the rainbow flag, and whatever inclusive flag can be added, add the "no bullying tolerance" statement, then you go for an interview and you are bullied during the interview, or they will make a decision afterwards that the person is not appropriate for the position because he/she is "too gay" and the clients might not like it, or she has an accent and our company is Australian… It's clear that most organisations don't give a crap about those things anyway.
There is a Brazilian saying, ‘para ingles ver’, or ‘just for the English to see’:
When Great Britain recognized the newly-formed Brazil in 1822, it demanded that Brazil cease importing slaves. In 1831, Brazil eventually passed Feijó’s Law, which stated that all slaves who entered after that date would be free—and owners would be tried in court as kidnappers. However, slave owners were some of the richest (and hence most powerful) people in Brazil, and their influence extended to the courts. Feijó’s Law was never really enforced, and the arrivals of imported slaves quickly rebounded to pre-treaty heights. Thus, it was said that the treaty was signed “just for the English to see,” without any intention of actually enforcing it. (reference)
This is exactly what happens, probably 99% of the time.
Moreover, health professionals spend 70% of their time with paperwork and other sectors report similar data (quick reference here and here); that's to make sure they are following all the steps to document every circumstance that might have legal implications in the future, protecting themselves and the organisations.
Finally, bureaucracy and overregulation feed corruption. Obstacles are created so people can sell a bypass.
@this is us: Interesting saying, and I agree it applies perfectly. But I think half the issue you're referring to is down to this politicised culture of virtue signalling social justice. Corporations are trying to kiss the ass of both the government and the public. "We're following the law - and we're looking good doing it". This is what drives the fake gay flags and self-professed white guilt that so many companies put on their website. In other words, "we recognise that the Aboriginals are the rightful owners of this land, but we choose not to give it back, we'd rather keep it and just pretend to be sorry".
Post is being advertised both internally and externally. If they find a suitable internal candidate then they take that first. If they don't, they will consider external candidates.
They say this so you can't get upset if you find out later it was given to an internal candidate.
Is it a Govt job ?
Some positions, esp someone is currently filling in that position through contract, initially is put on Expression of Interest process where you can express your interest if the profile matches you. There wont be structured interview process.
Once they cant find candidate, its published internally where employees/contactors working with the employer > 12 months can apply.
If they still cant find, then its moved to external where anyone can apply.
Usually such positions already have candidate in mind and process is just name sake.
Maybe they already paid for the ad so they thought may as well leave it up anyway.
lol
+ve for creativity…
Hey mate, my 2 cents - many companies have a policy where a position must be advertised externally before being advertised internally. This makes sense, because if a position is only advertised internally, the candidate pool is much smaller than if the position was advertised on a site like seek. From the sounds of it, that position has gone through this process - the requirement to be advertised externally has been fulfilled, but the right candidate wasn't found, so now internal applicants are eligible to apply. Give it a go! Good luck
…many companies have a policy where a position must be advertised externally before being advertised internally. This makes sense, because if a position is only advertised internally, the candidate pool is much smaller than if the position was advertised on a site like seek.
That's a new one to me… I've only seen policies where the position must be advertised internally first, so that it gives existing staff the opportunity to move into that role, and then if there are no successful applicants, the role gets advertised.externally. Also gives the illusion of saving recruitment costs too.
Is that ad that you're referring to issued to internal staff only or are have they advertised externally?
Imo this is what I’d think it means, esp if you’re external to the org. If you are internal my take on EOI element stands
there was bunch of redundancies at the company, and those impacted had the opportunity to express interest in this role, among other newly created roles or reduced team roles (EOI).
If it was not filled via EOI it suggests no one applied or they had no one they felt suitable anyway.
During EOI only those impacted by the layoffs or org change are able to apply, nobody else at the company even if they are suitable
Now it is being advertised (I imagine) both externally and internally, and is open to internal candidates that previously weren’t able to throw their hat in the ring
Have seen this in large orgs a few times
I think they’re saying if you apply don’t be surprised if someone internal gets the position. I wouldn’t read too much into it.