How to Deal with The Recruiter and Manager?

Ash-Say on 17/10/2020 - 20:51
Last edited 17/10/2020 - 20:51

My partner applied for a job through the recruiter.

During the recent team meeting, the manager stated that they were small team and they would easily become aware if anyone was doing interviews and they know who was recently doing job hunt.

My partner was not successful in the interview and the recruiter offered to have coffee catch up to discuss further opportunities and also mentioned that he often goes for a coffee with my partner's manager.

I am pretty certain that he told the manager about the interview. How to tackle this situation as it seems to be breach of confidentiality and privacy?

Also how my partner should initiate the conversation with the manager to gain their confidence?

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  • Hybroid on 17/10/2020 - 20:53
    +4

    Going to interviews or discussing prospective new opportunities with others is not against the law. Move on and don't worry about it.

    As for recruiter/manager relationship, you can't prove they said anything nor can realistically do anything about it.

    • Ash-Say on 17/10/2020 - 21:02

      My advice to the partner was to be transparent and say that they felt they were stuck in this role with no chance of career progress.

      Manager also stated they would appreciate if all team members don't eave for next 6 months as they can't afford new recruits at this stage.

      My partner has't received a rise of single cent for last 2 years and this year's bonus was also suspended due to COVID though last year's financials were met.

      I feel like this is one way sacrifice…

      • Hybroid on 17/10/2020 - 21:10
        +1

        Absolutely they should have a one-on-one with manager and express their aspiration for career progression, new challenges/opportunities and looking for promotion/salary raises etc. This should be a standard 6 or 12-monthly session anyway.

        However, this isn't related to looking for other jobs. We're all perfectly entitled to do so at any point we want and this has nothing to do with current manager whatsoever until decide to hand in notice. Don't even need to tell them you're looking even if they find out themselves, so what. Doesn't matter nor their guilt trip desires. If they want staff to stay, do things to ensure they do of their own accord.

      • Donaldhump on 17/10/2020 - 22:05
        +1

        how does tough sh*t sound to the manager. I would say If you want to "keep me" as its costly to replace me then how about giving me a pay rise and actually find out why I am looking to leave, or I will keep looking. That's business, that's life, If they get assey about it, thats their own lack of professionalism.

        mix shit up and start turning up to work and mint interview clothes.

        also abandon that recruiter.

      • Love a bargain on 20/10/2020 - 02:07

        What realistically is your partner trying to achieve from having that discussion? Pay rise that the company can't afford right now?

        Looking for a job is none of the manager's business and your partner is under no obligation to notify their employer that they're looking elsewhere.

        If there is concern over the conduct of the recruiter, just stop talking to her. There are plenty of recruitment agents out there.

  • bobbified on 17/10/2020 - 21:12

    I am pretty certain that he told the manager about the interview.

    There's a very high likelihood that you're right. While, it's very unprofessional of the recruiter the recruiter to do that, it shouldn't be a surprise at all.

    Also, the way recruiters work is they find you a role somewhere else then, if they think they can, they'll call your manager and try and get signed up to recruit for the position that you just left vacant. It's almost like double-dipping. This is usually done after you've left the position though, not while you're looking for another job.

    There's not much that can be done about it really. Perhaps put writing to the recruiter's company that their services are no longer required (without directly accusing the recruiter).

    As it stands now, if your partner gets a job at the company she just interviewed at within the next 6 months or so (depending on the agreement between the recruiter and company), the this recruiter may still get the commission. Even if the company offers you a job directly, they may still have to pay the recruiter that commission. I'm not sure if there's a way to void that agreement. Because if you go to another recruiter, they will not refer you to this company regardless of how suitable you are for any available roles - simply because they know they won't get the commission.

  • Banj0 on 17/10/2020 - 22:24
    +1

    If you had evidence that the recruiter told the manager, that is a big deal. I would think it is a breach of privacy legislation. The recruiter has broken the law if that is the case.

    • innov on 19/10/2020 - 16:22

      What law has the recruiter broken?

      • Banj0 on 20/10/2020 - 12:29
        +1

        Privacy act I would think -> https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/privacy

        But not entirely sure, I don't have a law degree. But in many workplaces these days they make you do training on this stuff (at least they do in mine, and also my previous two employers)…the basic message being, be careful what information you share and to whom.

        Just seems to me that, if you discussed getting a job with a recruiter, and they told your employer as an otherwise unrelated party (ie…providing your name and the information that you are applying for a job somewhere), then surely that is sharing your personal information where it should not be.

        Maybe the act doesn't apply here, but if nothing else, it is a morally dubious thing to share information with a third party not entitled to it. Maybe there's somebody around here who has studied relevant laws and can opine.

        Of course, none of this means a whole lot if it can't be proven and is just a hunch.

  • GC1 on 18/10/2020 - 07:14
    +1

    Agree with others you have no proof about the Recruiter telling the Manager so drop it.

    Re: promotion, pay rise etc, ask the Manager, What are you trying to achieve in your role and how can I help you do that (in my role). Not many people stop to think that their Manager, the person that can most help them in their career, works under the same expectations of performance they do.

    Hitch your wagon to a rising star Manager, work damn hard, try to make them look good and enjoy the ride.

  • star-ggg on 18/10/2020 - 07:24
    +3

    What a dumbsh*t manager to say that in a team meeting. If I got a whiff one of my teammates was actively looking for jobs, that would indicate to me there might be something better on offer in the marketplace and I'll be jumping in to start sniffing around for new postings too. Similarly, if I knew my company was in dire financial straits I'll be looking to jump to a company in a better financial position rather quickly.

    • brad1-8tsi on 19/10/2020 - 10:11
      +1

      I agree. Sounds like a bit of power-play.

      A good manager should expect an employee to move upwards or onwards every 3 years, especially if they are "young".

      OP: Your partner might wish to have a chat with their manager about any possible promotions or increases in responsibility or chances of broader experience on the horizon. I wouldn't mention they are looking elsewhere. That's a conversation for when you have a serious job offer.

      I can assure you that the employer will show no loyalty when they need to restructure.

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