Currently getting negged for not considering labour in a PC build.
I would like to know much should be considered in a PC build?
As far as I am concerned,
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/576021#comment-9511114
This deal is not the cheapest available for the parts it contains, and is RRP at best. But according to some users, when you take "labour" into consideration, this is a great deal.
So how much labour is a bargain, and how much labour is not a bargain with PC builds?
Thanks for the reply, so $100 = bargain labour?
Seems reasonable. Centre Com charges $110 ( 1 year warranty ) and PCCG charges $199 ( 2 year warranty ).
Thanks for the reply,
Hmm… But then I also see that there are companies like Gamedude that do assembling for $60~$80:
https://www.gamedude.com.au/brands/hardware-assembly
Or Techbuy for $40 with 3 year warranty:
https://www.techbuy.com.au/p/87130/SYSTEMS_CONFIGURE_MY_OWN_…
And doesn't a 1 year warranty come with the parts bought in Australia anyway? Why do they need 2 separate warranties for the parts, and for the assembly?
Why do they need 2 separate warranties for the parts, and for the assembly?
If they didn't build your pc, it's up to you to find out the faulty part and claim warranty.
If they build and pc dies, then it's up to them to find the fault.
@ozhunter: Ah okay, so basically you are paying for insurance even though you already have warranty on the respective parts, and the general consensus here is that is considered a bargain.
Hmm… Okay… Thank you so much for making things clear.
I'll definitely stay away from build posts from now though, as that sounds way too ambiguous for me to agree on, and me staying away from those posts seems to meet everyone's best interest. Again, cheers for clearing things up.
Depends what's factored into that.
If it's just putting parts together..eh
If it's installing OS plus a host of commonly used programs, then thats a bargain for sure.
Really it all depends on who you're selling it to. The PC market is generally pretty low margin because the people who know it tend to enjoy doing it themselves, while the ones that don't shop at Hardly Normal or use Apple.
It doesn't say Windows is included in the purchase on the deal, or on their website so I wouldn't count on it, but it seems to be a steal for most people.
I guess it's just the way it is here.
The deal is definitely a steal compared to setups sold in Hardly Normal so I guess that's what all the negs are about. Rip.
In this place, labour should be free….so we should only be paying for the parts….
Somewhere between 150-200 would be fair. More if it's a complex build or a longer warranty.
Have to understand that there's overheads involved when it comes to processing/posting the build along with handling problems/warranty ect.
Edit - Umart charge $149
Thanks for the reply,
There's companies that charge more than $100, and then there are companies that only charge $40 and even come with a 3 year warranty. Why the huge difference?
I just don't understand how we can clear cut say that $150 is fair, $100 is a bargain, when there are also companies that go even lower than that without any discounts.
I just don't understand how we can clear cut say that $150 is fair
You can't
Why the huge difference?
They profit margins are higher on the parts???
Thank you, I finally understand that we aren't actually paying for "labour", but rather we are actually paying for the "insurance" placed on top of products already with warranty.
And that insurance placed on top of products with warranty is a bargain for most people here.
@Nalar: Yeah definitely. My bad with wording.
I'm just saying that the huge difference isn't justified $200 vs $40, if all we are comparing is the labour. Which is what ozhunter was trying to get across to me.
@Outsider: Without knowing techbuy's prices, I know Umart are very very close to the bone, so I'm guessing $40 builds are paid for in the profit of the parts, whereas Umart might price it at actual costs.
I think you take away here is that you can't compare labour as a fixed value for any build, and thus should judge the builds as a whole or the supplier on their service. Or judge pre-built vs pre-built rather than Pre-built vs Home Build.
@Nalar: Yeah pretty much. When people refer to "labour", the price companies pull out mostly consists of other factors that you and others have mentioned.
So yeah I am staying away from PC build threads. Ambiguous numbers on a bargain website is not my thing.
You are paying for a system to be built, cable managed, tested and ready to be played.
I'd say 3 hours of labour for all of that is fair, so around $100-150. $33-50 an hour.
Thanks for the reply and your insight!
Currently getting negged for not considering labour in a PC build
I'd say you got negged for negging the post. You certainly have a point, but was it necessary to neg the deal?
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Your reason is similar to "the deal is not the cheapest available" but you'll need to find cheaper prebuild. Not in parts because you get into the discussion of how much is a fair labour cost and it becomes a lot more subjective.
You may have received less neg vote and even more upvote if you didn't neg the deal. No vote is a good option.
Thanks for the reply and your insight,
If my comment got negged mainly because I negged the post,
it's sad to know that is the nature of the people who look on PC build posts here but I can live with that.
And if that is their nature, I would like to stay away from them (which is what I plan to do).
On the other hand if that isn't their way of life, and the bargain was actually justified when taking "labour" into account,
and I was completely wrong, I have now learned that my kind of input would be disliked on build posts.
So either way, it's better for everyone if I stay away from PC build posts.
Thank you for your advice though. It's just that I would rather get negged with my clear opinion, rather than without.
I would like to know much should be considered in a PC build?
The amount of labour and testing that goes to building a commercial pc like HP takes about 4 to 8 hours depending on CTO.
Thanks for the reply and your insight!
You get what you pay for. You just want it assembled without any care what it looks like? Go cheap. If you'd like someone who knows and cares what they do, you will need to hunt them down and they don't come cheap. If you want someone who really cares… Do it yourself and watch lots of YouTube videos where you are unsure or want inspiration.
If you want someone who really cares… Do it yourself and watch lots of YouTube videos where you are unsure or want inspiration.
I've seen some rubbish builds from those who diy…..
If you want the very best custom builds go to singularity computers. Daniel is a master builder and his services are pricey asf. They are based in Perth though. But worth it if you want the very best. His dual loops are the very best u have seen. Check out his YouTube he loves to teach the world about liquid cooling and custom builds.
Build it yourself.
It's not hard.
Plenty of Youtube videos around.
I thought myself 20 years ago by taking an old box apart.
I normally charge 2 hours of labor at $30 an hour, but that's just put the computer together, install windows, done. If it was more complicated, say, water cooled, then I'd chuck more hours onto it.
At least $100.