So, Cyberpunk 2077 is out, and I can't play it on anything but low on my 1060 at 1440P. I'm running a Ryzen 5 3600 with 16gb 3200.
I want to upgrade to a 3070 but I don't want to pay $1100 to $1200 because of low supply and scalpers. I have the money.
So, my question is what is a fair price for is an 3070 if supply could match demand.
Given the current state of the world, I'm not sure we can rely on RRP and more. Hopefully they spin up production in 2021. Might hold off for now until they fix CP2077 too.
Well I mean you were giving the hypothetical where supply meets demands. Usually close to rrp
*starting at. US price is also 490 but the cheapest one from eva is 530
https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family…
How does the pricing for graphics card work? Is the RRP for the founders edition only? What sort of price should I expect from brands like MSI, Asus, gigabyte? At RRP as well once supply is alright?
At the risk of sounding like an old man, I absolutely refuse to pay more than $1000 for a graphics card. I'll wait until they can be obtained at a reasonable price.
Fair is subjective, it's really a matter of what you are prepared to pay. The RRP is indicative
Even at the AUD$809 MSRP, I'd knock it down $50-75 before I'd call it "fair price" (in my dreams).
In the real world, $809 is pretty reasonable considering Nvidia is still the top dog with proven track record of quality and support.
The RTX20 was just so overpriced for the performance that the RTX30 deserved a reduction in price increases.
Nvidia tried to make people think that with MSRP being identical to 2070S but in practice, it's not.
What quality setting and frame rate are you targeting for 1440p? Because you don't necessarily need a 3070 to play, especially considering at current prices, there are existing cards that have better price-performance. 3070's price-performance is only amazing if it exists at US$499 MSRP (~AU$750, so at $809 AU MSRP, it's only good, not amazing).
I don't have a frame counter on so it's hard to tell (playing through GOG). I'd say 35-55 FPS depending on the environment.
At the current prices I'd almost just buy a 3080.
What I want the most from RTX is DLSS. Seems to make a huge difference.
I haven't seen any proper DLSS analysis yet for Cyberpunk's implementation (makes sense, as it's still new), and from little bits and pieces I'm seeing, it does have issues (hopefully if it'll get ironed out later by patches).
The prices will only be 'fair' if buyers are willing to wait, as the prices definitely aren't fair, as Australian MSRP is naturally inflated compared to the US, personally I just find it hard to justify paying anything over $849 for the RTX 3070 (again feel like ranting how it only has 8GB VRAM, disappointing). And you'll see crazier pricings with 3080.
Compromise cards that will probably still be okay for 1440p gaming, with not max but adjusted settings (so med/high settings, then turn up texture/geometry as you can handle), will be 3060 Ti, 2070 Super and RX 5700 XT (but you've noted only RTX cards are considered).
For price-performance that doesn't burn bad, 3060 Ti should cost no more than $749 (ok these are still in stock: Galax, MSI). As it performs ~20% more than 2070S, the 2070S should cost no more than $600 delivered.
So it's going to be a decision between whether you can wait or not - wait for prices to become more reasonable (likely will take another 1-2 months) for a RTX 3070. If you can't wait, do you just splurge on whatever skyrocketed price it's on (although still have to wait for availability)? Or go for a compromise situation: 3060 Ti (which you'll be faced with the 3070 situation also of waiting for reasonable price or splurge) or 2070S at $600 delivered? While 2070S not currently at $600, but it'll likely return during the upcoming Xmas sales in 2 weeks time.
Again, feel like ranting that from all the above, the price-performance has not improved at all with the new gen, but just prices getting stretched upward as performance goes upward.
Thank you for your in-depth and considered reply. I think I'm going to wait. That way I can get it for a more reasonable price and CP2077 will have many of the kinks ironed out.
Can third party manufactures add more ram ?
@leftspeaker2000: Nope, RAM cannot be added onto a graphics card. At least for the consumer cards that we're discussing.
Waiting is likely the best option for now, as it's rumoured there'll be more development that nVidia will phase out 3070 and 3080 "soon"-ish, and let 3060 Ti effectively take 3070's place (3060Ti is within 10% of 3070's performance, while having same 8GB VRAM), and have a 3070 Ti performing to replace 3080, and a 3080Ti. Hope things will turn out to be more competitive.
@leftspeaker2000: You might be interested in checking this review out too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y00q2zofGVk
It's a review of different GPUs' performance for CP. (If TL;DW, skip to 6:04 for 1440p Ultra quality results, or 9:38 for 1440p Medium quality results.) Looks like your decision will be between 3070 and 3060 Ti for Ultra quality settings, or 2070S can be thrown into the ring as well if you don't mind Medium quality.
DLSS works fantastic in Cyberpunk from my experience
A fair price is whatever you need to pay to get it, depends on supply and demand. There is no arbitrary dollar amount, especially when there is little to no supply.
What Is a Fair Price for RTX Cards
Unless you need it right now for production related matter; RRP or lower (discounts / cash rewards, bundle offers, etc). Reality is you won’t be able to push these cards to their limits and capabilities yet . So there is no point paying a premium.
Right now, low $900 is a fair price to get a 3070. Most retailers would sell a low tier 3070 for about $949.
What is the difference between high and low tier. Better silicon and pre overclocked, better coolers?
Yeah, also some brands are considered more premium, for example Asus
I wouldn't pay more than $900-950 for a 3070. It's really not worthwhile when you can get a entry level 3060ti model for $709, and they're pretty widely available for $749.
Definitely wouldn't pay $1100-1200. You might as well get a nicer 3060ti and overclock the shit out of it, it'll be the same performance for $3-400 less.
A actually reasonable price for a 3070 would be around MSRP, $809, but that hasn't happened in a while.
What would you recommend for a 3060?
EVGA 3060Ti looks good but not going to find for 769 rep.
https://www.umart.com.au/Inno3D-GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-iChill-X…
This is a higher end model for $789. Probably the one I would go with.
Or the EVGA 3060ti from PLE if you're willing to wait.
Zotac Twin edge also has some decent overclocking headroom for $749
3060ti 8GB
$689 -$779
3070 8GB
$809 -969
3070ti 16GB
$949 -1099
3080 10GB
$1139- 1399
3080ti 20GB
$1499 - 1999
3090 24GB
$2499 -3000
3070 is widely available, i see them less than $1k new from retailer all the time
I was just looking and seems like availability is scarce. Where are you seeing sub $1k? PCCG has them from $999.
How is a 3060Ti overclocking capabilities??
look at smaller retailer like evatech or bpctech, pcbyte, also people on FB with small business so they can still provide manufacturers warranty
3060 ti may be able to clock to 3070 at stock but highly silicon dependant
I am looking at pulling the trigger on a 3070 … my 1070 is going ok at 1440p high and high NPC but without all the fancy film grain, motion blur, shadow …
I don't have an FPS counter but thinking around 40fps maybe a bit more.
I am on an AMD 3700x CPU with M.2 drive and 32GB of 3200mhz ram. GPU doesn't quite match the system.
RRP is 809