With NSW removing all signs and warnings for speed cameras, in a bid to raise revenue like VIC, I was wondering if it was worthwhile to prepare for a slip-up, either to help friends, family or myself.
Jordies made a video on this.
Is Aussie Speeding Fines worth the money or is it just clickbait and money-grabbing?
@hybroid
is waze better than google maps?
yes, Google purchased Waze years ago and started integrating Waze's data in Maps, but always better to go Waze since it's user reported and you can contribute yourself.
Just come back from coffs Harbour to Sydney. Google maps missed 2 not mentioned, alot of old ones cops moved on but 3 right and not 1 person flashed their lights.
I don’t flash my lights either. My state needs your revenue.
@Euphemistic: @Euphemistic: Didn't say I was speeding but totally agree. Love living on the edge, that's what holidays and sports cars are for. Hopefully you pull over to the left at least.
@[Deactivated]: Never said I don’t speed either, just if you are prepared to cop a fine for your speed I’m more than happy to let you get one.
Most highway patrols I see are on dual carriageways, or main highways where it’s not worth (to me) to exceed the limit. Cruise control all the way.
Why not just stop speeding. Won't cost you a thing.
I've had one speeding fine in total, and that was over 20 years ago. I do over 20,000km per year and don't drive slowly by any measure. It's quite possible to avoid voluntary taxation even with all warning signs removed.
hi this is your insurance company. You said you only drive 10,000km per year, therefore we will be increasing the cost of your insurance. Have a nice day
To quote one moron from another thread, it's not your fault when you speed, its uncontrollable.
It's true though - sometimes my foot acts alone and I swear I have nothing to do with it! :p
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/criminal-history-not-…
NSW Police officers hold serious criminal convictions, GIPA documents show
7.30 NSW
By Quentin Dempster
Updated 28 Mar 2014, 11:13am
Serious criminal convictions that include stealing, break and enter, fraud and assault are no impediment to a career in the New South Wales Police Force.
Documents obtained by 7.30 NSW for the first time show the range and extent of convictions recorded before and during police employment, including 39 of stealing.
While Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione acknowledged in January this year that 437 officers had "form" - a criminal conviction - he was quoted as telling the Daily Telegraph that in the majority of cases these officers have been "convicted of a low range PCA (prescribed concentration of alcohol or drink driving) or similar offence".
But documents obtained through a Government Information Public Access Act (GIPA) application show the actual convictions include much more.
The more serious convictions include fraud, false pretences, dishonestly obtaining financial advantage, apprehended domestic violence, and dangerous driving causing death.
The total number of convictions recorded against 437 officers are 595, which equates to one in 40 NSW police officers having a criminal record.
The names of the convicted officers remain confidential but there are 14 inspectors, five senior sergeants, 80 sergeants, 236 senior constables, 69 constables, 20 probationary constables and 13 students.
Rather than the "majority" recording low-range PCA convictions, the documents show that 58 officers were convicted for high-range drink driving, while 144 were convicted for mid-range drink driving.
The documents show that 58 had been convicted for low-range PCA.
The police department has rejected a complaint that Commissioner Scipione has misled the public in his January statement.
NSW Greens MLC David Shoebridge, who has also received the figures, says the convictions paint an "extraordinary picture".
"My initial reaction was one of quite genuine shock," he said.
"When I saw case after case of high-range PCA, of stealing, of dishonesty offences and realised it totalled the sum of 600 individual convictions - it was quite an extraordinary picture, and one that demands a proper, and I think honest, explanation from the police."
7.30 NSW is awaiting a response from the Commissioner of Police to the latest GIPA revelations.
The GIPA documents were provided to 7.30 NSW by former police officer and whistleblower Richard McDonald.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/214943511/GIPA-document-listing-c…
I’m guessing these books offer one simple trick to get you out of speeding fines?
Think about it for a minute. We’ve had speeding fines for decades. Many lawyers smarter than you and me have tried to get out of them for almost as long.
That means one of two things:
1. There exists a trick to get you out of a speeding fine, but no one has let that trick slip in public for all that time and you have to buy a book to find out - pretty unlikely especially given social media. Everyone would have heard it from the grapevine by now.
2. Smarter lawyers have worked for the government and closed whatever loopholes were available.
It’s not revenue raising it is a 100% voluntary tax. Sure, they count on fine revenue to find govt, but you don’t have to pay, just don’t speed. Aussies have been trained for too long that you have to drive at the speed as marked in the red circle. The reality is that is a maximum, not a target you have to drive at.
I have personally successfully contested a speeding fine in court, so yes, it is possible.
I know one other person who has done likewise.
Of course it’s possible to contest, but you don’t need to buy a special book to ‘learn this one secret trick’ that no one else can figure out. There is no special loophole.
No, I think the most important thing is to hire a lawyer who is well versed in traffic law and police procedure when it comes to operating speed detection equipment.
@barcer: There is an option to hire a lawyer, but is there a cost benefit? Potentially a lawyer could cost you more than paying the fine in the first place.
@Euphemistic: For me at the time there was. I was still on Ps and would have lost my licence otherwise, which I needed for work. In general, maybe not.
The reality is that is a maximum, not a target you have to drive at.
What's the minimum speed you can go, say at a sign with 60kmph? 10kmph?
There isn’t one, but you there is some sort of fine for causing an obstruction or unreasonably slow or something like that. So, a modern car travelling at 20 with a long line of cars behind might get a fine, but a cyclist or tractor travelling at 20 or a model t Ford at max speed of 30 is all good.
Not so sure about that
If you have the right car and the right lawyer 160km/hr… no worries.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confi…
Don't waste your $100
Google the owner… Mike Palmer. I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
Under their disclaimer, they say
3.
All of the information provided by Aussie Speeding Fines in this website is presented as an information and educational service only. All aspects of the information and educational service provided by Aussie Speeding Fines in this website is not, and does not, represent itself to be legal advice in any way; nor should it be used for any other purpose than that of education and research. Aussie Speeding Fines do not seek to offer, nor offer any form of legal advice."
Had a bit of a read thanks peg.
In summary, the author is not a lawyer and holds no legal qualifications so cannot legally dispense legal advice. Claims sovereign citizen status and governments aren’t legal. Doesn’t pay taxes. (but probably takes advantage of all the things that taxes provide like roads and hospitals)
Whilst I haven't purchased this book from ASF before, I have used the services of another similar and well-known consultant service. The advice provided to me when it came time to challenging a speeding fine I had received from a police vehicle with a mobile LIDAR installed was to simply say that my vehicle wasn't the one being targeted by the LIDAR. That didn't go well and I ended up losing along with copping a much bigger fine for the offence, along with having to pay the Offender Levy (QLD court levy). Worth taking that into consideration - the service I used got a lot of media attention about 5-10 years ago but upon looking today, I notice they are no longer operating.
Step 1: Give it no jandal
I've been driving for a bit over 20 years, we've never had the warning signs prior to the camera in WA. Years and years ago they used to have a sign after the camera saying something along the lines of "Thank you for not speeding" but never a warning sign prior to. Only ones with a warning directly before it are the red light cameras which are also now fixed speed cameras. There will be a 'reminder' that there's fixed speed or point to point cameras on the freeway for example but not directly before it.
When I'd go interstate, I always wondered what the point of having the sign before the camera was wouldn't people just see the sign, slow down past the camera then speed up again?
The sign served two purposes.
Just pay the fine, I can't believe people waste so much mental space on something so immaterial in the grand scheme of your life.
A few weeks so I came across some flat earth and conspiracy videos, presented by people only giving their first names. After many domain Whois searches and general searches, I ended up noting that the authors own the speed camera book site.
That was enough to get me to stay away.
I suspect some of them are smart enough to know they are playing to the gullible and just aiming to liberate as much cash from them as possible.
" in a bid to raise revenue like VIC"
You do not have to pay..!!
Just dont drive like a maniac…. Simples…
Good advice all around, most of the comments here reflect my exact thoughts. I personally haven't had a speeding fine (touch wood) but a parking infringement once. That still hurt, almost $400.
A lot of the testimonials seem to be quite positive. But easily doctored, nevertheless.
I wonder if anyone here or anyone you know benefited from ASF.
The removal of signs is govt revenue raising for sure. But what's wrong with that? Better to 'tax' those that break the rules than implement higher taxes on everyone.
The eBook is not required. Just drive carefully and make sure you use Waze app (if permitted). It's remarkably accurate for speed cameras and mobile cameras.