"New users and/or overseas users can only post 5 comments per 24 hours" and "Forum posting threshold reached" policies

<read in the gruff voice of Din Djarin>

What's the point of the "New users and/or overseas users can only post 5 comments per 24 hours" and "Deals/Forum posting threshold reached. Maximum 1 per hour" restrictions?

And what is required to not be a "new user"?

I understand wanting to deal with spam, but limits like these are annoying and restrictive. Already I've been blocked from adding comments where I've wanted to contribute or participate. I think there are better ways to deal with spam.

I had two forum posts I wanted to make and I usually batch tasks together. But because I made one less than an hour ago, I can't make another. It seems very arbitrary, and a smarter way to reduce forum posts would be posts per day rather than per hour. Or just have no limit and have better ways to stop whatever the limit is intending to stop.

Maybe if there was a "save drafts" option or the option to add a comment to a post queue, to have to auto-posted when the daily limit is freed up, but I haven't seen that.

And more annoying is once you've reached the daily limit, it doesn't tell you before you make a comment or post, so it only tells you after you type something out. That's bad design.

From a design perspective, you don't want users using your site and having to remember a bunch of things to do later. You want to reduce the need for that as much as possible, since life gives us enough to remember, and adding more takes away from that and makes people less likely to use a site. I appreciate the site is probably a passion project, but there are usually smart(er) ways to design things that aren't labour intensive.

This is not the way.

Comments

  • While feedback is always welcome and rants are a plenty here, if you just contacted a mod via TWAM, we could have sorted it out quickly. It's an automated feature that works well but can be manually bypassed.

    • +1

      Just out of curiosity, where in the wiki is that rule listed regarding overseas users etc?

      And what is required to not be a "new user"?

      6 months active or X number of posts?

      • It isn't specifically noted in the help but will be in the next rollout.

        Currently: Non-overseas users will be considered a new user for 7 days.
        Next Rollout: Non-overseas users will be considered a new user for 24 hours as we believe our other SPAM/ghost countermeasures should be effective.

        Help - FAQ:

        How many posts can I make?

        Frequency New Users Regular Users Classifieds* Competitions
        5 Minutes 1 1 1 5
        1 Hour 1 2 1 20
        6 Hours 2 4 1 30
        24 Hours 3 10 1 30

        Please note if you are reading this in future, these are the current settings as of 8/1/21 and are subject to change. Always refer to the Help

    • I wanted it to be public so other users can find the answer.

      I didn't find anything on the site that suggested a mod could or would resolve this. I try not to pester mods. And even then, the issues I raised are still issues even if they can be manually resolved.

      E.g. If I reach the daily limit, it doesn't tell you before you make a comment or post, so it only tells you after you type something out.

      Unless a moderator can sort that out within a few minutes, it's still an issue. Maybe they have a response time like that, but I'd be surprised if they did, nor do I expect them to. It's a design issue.

      Limits are fine when they make sense, but they should be communicated as part of the user interface when they're needed (so in this example, before you type out a post, not after), and not buried in a help section or not mentioned in a help section.

  • +3

    It is annoying. But it's always for spam, doubt it's about keeping chatty users quiet. This site, where people come to be told what to buy (and what to think), naturally attracts spam.

  • +15

    A new user complaining about how the site is run? God forbid!

  • +2

    Its okay… its only a forum.. you will survive.

  • +3

    once you've reached the daily limit, it doesn't tell you before you make a comment or post, so it only tells you after you type something out

    I agree with this point completely. Better not to offer the comment box if it knows you can't post anyway.

    • Yes this is annoying. Especially if you've just written a long reply to try and help someone else with something that profits yourself in no way, it would be nice to have that warning ahead of time. reddit is guilty of the exact same thing.

  • +5

    Give users more than 5 daily negative forum votes too while you’re at it

    • -2

      Please don't. I'm regularly hammered by enough downvotes as it is for simply saying something others don't politically support.

      • Who cares, negs don't actually hurt you.

      • -1

        What functional impact do downvotes have?

    • +2

      The number of daily negative votes should be capped at however many comments jv has made that day.

  • +6

    I don't like spam. The current rules help reduce that. Thanks Scott.

  • Its a free forum…. those are the rules… the rules are for a reason..

    just accept it, it works well as it is.

    • That's a pretty troubling anti-progress attitude. If it was working well, I wouldn't have run into the issues I did, would I?

  • +6

    OP clearly doesn't understand the amount of time required to monitor objectionable material 24/7.

  • +7

    I understand wanting to deal with spam, but limits like these are annoying and restrictive

    So… you don't understand.

    • -1

      Spam is better dealt with in other ways, and when you do limit people, you should tell them and not have that get in the way of their experience with the site.

      Sure, stop spam, not legitimate users. That's called a false positive, and you want to reduce those as much as possible.

      Now I could make a snarky comment about how it seems you don't understand, but I understand that's not a productive attitude or useful thing to post.

  • I live in Japan now, and I dont have this limitation posting in forums or on deals. I cannot post bargains from overseas though. As per Neil's comment, I just learned I can contact a mod via TWAM and bypass this.

  • +4

    This is not the way.

    When you own the site you set your rules.

    You don't own it, so I guess "This is the way."

    • Thanks, that really helps answer my questions and contributes a lot to the discussion.

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