Murdoch just got his way I suppose? News articles gone from Facebook. Thoughts?
In my mind the small players and local news outlets will be the ones struggling here.
News Articles and Content Banned from Facebook. Thoughts?
LittleMIssPanda on 18/02/2021 - 08:28
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Too late morrison lied and has been caught out
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/parliament-…https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/625abae1587aaa89775ea25a…
morrison has thrown everyone and anyone under the bus since being in charge he has had no accountability and refuses to take blame for anything
@Loot N Plunder: truly the most degenerate Australian Prime minister in history, and will be remembered as such.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen
Nor that it did happen.
The rape part is in doubt.
For all (little) we know she voluntary went to Parliament, to a private suite and then have sex. Then came regret and so the allegations of rape.Using common sense the "rape" version of events does not fit too nicely.
Why did she go to that suite?Here we have issues of female lack of accountability ("the devil make me do it, I've done nothing wrong") being used as a political weapon.
Nothing else.As I recall the first news were about "sexual assault". Now is rape. Almost 2 years ago.
How convenient.@LFO: Another woman has come forward and claimed she was also fed alcohol and raped from the same person that Brittany was
Sounds like we had a predator preying on vulnerable women in parliamentScott Morrison says he “sickened” after a second woman came forward to allege she was sexually assaulted late last year by the same former Morrison government adviser accused of raping a junior female colleague in the Parliament House office of Defence Minister Linda Reynolds.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/exliberal-s…claimed she was also fed alcohol and raped
"fed alcohol" … you meant she drunk far too much and then have sex and then came regret for what she has done?.
How can you force anyone to drink without obvious violence and brutality?
Accountability is missing.
It is terrifying to think these women are actually working in Defense!!.
I hope they don't do much of importance, like handling secrets or even sensitive Defense information.Terrifying!!!!!
@LFO: This person is a predator and one victim is barely out of school
Feeding alcohol yes buying double vodkas and hiding the true alcohol contentThis low life took advantage of these women by taking away their consent by feeding them alcohol to a point of unconsciousness
I don't know about you but how low of a person do you have to be to prey on drunken women who can not give consent?
You are showing your true colours and i wouldn't want you near a drunken woman with that attitude
Are all women fair game to you if they are drink and can not give consent?What if it was your sister mother auntie grandmother daughter still all for it are you? nice to see you looking out for family and friends NOT
Bloody disgraceful your attitude to women in a vulnerable position
Bloody disgraceful your attitude to women in a vulnerable position
How quickly you started throwing insults and innuendos …
The alleged victims were women, old enough to drive, old enough to vote and, more importantly, to hold a government job, some in defense. They are not children, they are women.
It is unhelpful you blame all guilt to the male. How do you know the females weren't after it (sex) as well?
As it has been said many times: how come my sister/mother/aunt/girlfriend/daughter NEVER has been in that predicament of excessive drinking or taking other drugs?????
Good luck with life.
Please remember it takes TWO to tango.The myth of the Vestal Virgins is just that, a mythological Greek/Roman fantasy. Hope you understand the difference. Like with Santa …
@LFO: It does not take two to tango at all when someone is so intoxicated that the ambulance was going to be called and security walked in and out and seen her unclothed and unconscious.
I don't know where you came from but there is a little thing called respect.
There is a difference between two drunks having a shag and a lifeless unconscious body being abused and obviously you haven't drawn that line in the sand.
shes drunk shes all for it otherwise she wouldn't be drunk
shes wearing a skirt shes all for it otherwise she wouldn't be wearing that
shes walking alone at night shes all for it otherwise she wouldn't be alone@LFO: How would you feel if this guy targeted drunk young men
After feeding free alcoholic drinks to a young guy and getting him to the point where he lost conscious he gets abused and wakes up half way and says NO STOP IT you are all OK with it because "He wanted sex you could tell because he was drunk"
@jv: No he didn't that i know of
How does it sit with LFO if it was drunk unconscious men instead of women that were targeted is the question put to him
His attitude is he would be all for it because they were drunk they wanted it
He has no respect for what the other person wants because they are unconscious
How does it sit with LFO if it was drunk unconscious men instead of women that were targeted is the question put to him
It shouldn't make a difference, but what if the accused was also equally drunk? What then??
faecesbook.
Why are so many people upset over facebooks removal of content when it is a free service. Why haven't these places got a real domain instead of relying on this free service?
Facebook can do what they want with their free service if they choose not to show news links so what nobody forced you to use their free service.Its pathetic watching politicians and journalists getting upset over facebooks removal of news links from its free service
They blocked us NO they haven't blocked a thing they just filtered their free service to comply with morrisons demands, pay or don't have news links.I use https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/South+Pacific/Austral… for news why not go after this mob because all they do is supply news links?
why not go after this mob because all they do is supply news links?
They have the market dominance and revenue as that of Google and Facebook?
Why not make the people with income of <18k pay tax?
Why not make the people with income of <18k pay tax?
HA HA HA HA
they do
Its called GSTAll facebook are doing is complying to morrisons demands > pay or have no news links
Is it that hard to see?
All this is doing is giving google and facebook another tax deductible expense it costs them nothing . The bill will be picked up by the Australian Tax Office paid by the ones actually paying tax
Also the disabled guy is paying more in tax through gst than a billion dollar multinational again does that seem right? Even your children buying a bag of lollies ends up paying more in tax than a billion dollar multinational
How good is thatHA HA HA HA
they do
Its called GSTincome tax…
All facebook are doing is complying to morrisons demands > pay or have no news links
I have no issue with facebook not allowing news links.
All this is doing is giving google and facebook another tax deductible expense it costs them nothing
Maybe let them know that, lol.
Also the disabled guy is paying more in tax through gst than a billion dollar multinational again does that seem right? Even your children buying a bag of lollies ends up paying more in tax than a billion dollar multinational
How good is thatExtend that to the homeless person buying basic food or paying for shelter for the night.
GST sucks a bit more of their blood …
Don't like it just go make your own facebook
looool not even close bud, that's a far right site is FULL of propaganda
yes yes lol. heard it all before.
This will accelerate the death of old media and I couldn't be happier.
They need to figure out how to run a profitable business or go out of business, just like everyone else has to.
and ignore all those small australian independent media outlets going to the wall…
Give me some of that sweet, sweet charity too. I don't have a viable business model either.
all those small australian independent media outlets going to the wall…
They must either have a crap product then, or are really bad at marketing…
I just worked out that if you link to at least three Fox News articles about Donald Trump, your facebook page gets unblocked…
Funny how just recently facebook and similar where compelled by government bodies to monitor and remove and censor "certain" material (discrimination, vaccination, racism, gender, politics, etc etc etc)
Now the shoe is on the other foot …
Bunch of muppets running this country.
Facebook seems better without all the rubbish news
If I want news I’ll just go to the site of my choice directly.I’m sure the sites that got caught in the crossfire will be fine, Facebook just did a blanket block for now.
not if it doesn't exist anymore
Who uses Fakebook these days? 😷
Facebook. The home of free speech
Here's an ABC interview of Jeff Jarvis (This Week in Google Podcast; Assoc Prof at City University of New York) regarding to Facebook pulling news.
The legislation is poorly written, but this just goes to show Facebook could with COMPLETE ease rid their platform of antivax, neonazis, scam ads, conspiracies, but chooses not to.
I don't think the legislation will end up passing but I hope this just helps the population see how scummy Facebook is as a company.
Facebook has the power to be a force of good but routinely chooses to harbour misinformation and the worst of society in favour of a little bit more profit.
Using regex to find specific domains names in posts is millions of times easier than trying to get an AI to recognize antivax, neonazis, scam ads, conspiracies, etc without false positives.
The bill supports fascism.
Small australian news outlets providing independent news are those targeted for elimination.
Meanwhile Stokes rakes in millions in jobkeeper and keeps it, making murdoch's tax handouts look like chump change.
The biggest chumps are of course Australians for voting in these moral degenerates for some relatively minor sports grants…..all those young people being taught how covering up rape is justifiable for money and power.
No wonder Australian war crimes are of no concern, because lets face it, nothing but money matters in oz now.
Yep.
Murdoch's towel boys Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg gotta make sure their boss gets his - its a battle about corporate profits.The bill supports fascism
Of course, everything wrong with the world is fascism.
so you think it isn't then?
Fascism has a clear definition, it doesn't just apply to arbitrary cases. In many ways, those claiming to be anti-fascist are the only ones showing fascist tendancies, it's a strange world of hypocracy.
@lew380: No fascism isn't that simple and obvious since it follows a progression over time.
You wanna obscure and avoid that progression whilst declaring it just appears like turning on a light.
It takes denial to abet the progression, and clearly you want it to progress to its fruition, hence your right wing attack crap.
@petry: Go look at speeches by Hitler from the early 1930's, he goes full blown nazi early, he leaves very little to the imagination. I would be more worried about communism, it's as bad, if not more vile and murderous than fascism and its actually being tolerated in some circles. I really don't understand what your saying.
"progression over time"
What does that mean, I don't understand you because your talking in vague concepts. I need details rather than indistinguishable rambling.
@lew380: naw you understand very well - its not vague - you're just trying to waste my time and annoy - in order to get somewhere you travel over time, not teleport instantaneously.
@petry: I want to know how I'm in denial and keep "turning on the light". That's about all you've enlightened me thus far on the insidious fascism that you see everywhere…
@lew380: As a holocaust denier your attempts to push communism as the greater threat are laughable, as are your attempts to belittle.
As a holocaust denier
That zinger just came from nowhere!?! I slightly regret asking you for anything rational. How did you deduce that? You must have something juicy….
For the record, I consider communists, to be particularly evil, they kill their own people, murder their own families and children. The nazis were just good old fashioned killers, find some minority or other ethnicity and do away with them. If evil can be ranked, communists are just that little but more evil. Its also a lot easier to spot a nazi, the mustaches and aryan haircuts give them away!
@lew380: So the holocaust was not that big an issue to you, with its medical experimentation and the fact that 90% of all medical research under National Socialism was criminal is of less concern to you than communism which you see as evil.
And you don't reckon you are a denier, you sound like a modern national socialist - a throwback to australian eugenics of the 1960's which clearly has never left the liberal party.
@petry: I'm lost, you have no clue about anything. I'm very much against eugenics of any form, a Conservative but not a huge fan of the liberals, but they are somewhat rational compared to Labour. Tony abbot was the last good thing about the libs.
Tony abbot was the last good thing about the libs
And your post was doing so well up until this point :)
@SBOB: He was a Conservative, might not be as progressive and politically correct enough for the mainstream but he was solid. These last few libs are a joke. I had high hopes for Morriston but he just flops at the lightest pressure.
@lew380: morrisson was given the job by the yanks to wage war on China, which is what he's done.
The fact that was against australian interests was of no concern to him.
All those losers screaming for help now because China pushed back need to grow up and think for themselves, because things are only going to get worse.
Anyone with FB tried wrapping news links in outline.com or archive.is?
This would fight both sides if it works. FB not being able to block news, and news sites not getting any ad revenue from clicks ;)"People just submitted it. I don't know why.
They 'trust me.' Dumb f()cks." (Mark Zuckerberg)
Great improvement for Facebook, hopefully it stays this way.
Delete Facebook. Problem solved. It's just Facebook refusing to pay Australian media for the right to get paid for their propaganda for the most part. Facebook already have propoganda and don't need ours, they certainly shouldn't pay for it.
and ignore all those small australian independent media outlets going to the wall…
They're going to adapt, right? And if they don't, it's their fault?
yeah you've already opined it was the victims fault for being raped in parliamentary office's she worked in because she was drunk and unconscious - blaming victims is consistent for you…
I think its disgusting that they just stopped the primary way a lot of people learn about the news. I don't support FB paying Rupert Murdoch money but i definitely don't support Facebook's actions. Why should I have to choose between 2 horrible corporations?
After this ban, I don't think I will be using facebook as much personally. I like reading comments to articles on ABC news and then also seeing the opposing views on 7 news. Helps to get some more perspective to the news I consume.
I personally think its a bit dystopian that a private corporation has so much influence in my life and which, they can at the click of a button get of something thats such a normal part of my life
no opposition, its the same.
I think its disgusting that they just stopped the primary way a lot of people learn about the news
www.theage.com.au
www.heraldsun.com.au
www.news.com.au
www.abc.net.au/news
www.foxnews.com
www.globaltimes.cn
www.skynews.com.auAgree just go to your chosen source(s) direct. It's not that hard.
those aren't factual news sources, and the ban isn't about big media companies but small independents as well you know - you just don't care.
Why would anyone with a brain (aka not a right wing nut job) want to read Sky, Fox or Herald Scum?
The chaser is all you need on Facebook for 'real' news contents. They survived!
That guy, chas or whatever his name is, is a massive sellout. He was a resistance fighter (that was my impression of the 'chasers war on everything' back in the day) to the mainstream propoganda machine, now he is a mouthpiece of the mainstream spew of lies, deception and manipulation of news and current events. Every time I've seen him he's just bashing trump nonsensically or spreading misinformation and fear mongering about corona virus. A darling of the establishment elites.
Ive read too many books on stalin era communism and now see parralelles that are extremely disturbing in our current trajectory, news outlets are little more than propoganda arms of the government (or some wacko people?) at this stage. It's not quite as bad in Australia as it is in the US but we aren't far behind. Truth will be whatever those in power deem it to be, and you better agree with them or else!
Hi Donald. What happened to your Caps Lock button?…
They're a private company, they can choose who/what to display as they will
Just build your own social media giant
and ignore all those small australian independent media outlets going to the wall…
ignore all those small australian independent media outlets going to the wall…
If their product was worth buying, people would buy it…
difficult without facebook if their operation used it for community involvement - oh wait you don't like community involvement do you 'cause semantics don't cut it in real communication…
This is not the fault of Facebook though. Both Facebook and those small Australian independent media outlets strenuously objected to forcing this legislation through.
Source: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislat… the actual legislation. These small businesses you speak of objected to the law and lost, the government pulled that trigger.
Hundreds of small, independent publishing news outlets such as ScienceAlert are already thriving in the new media landscape, and the Code completely ignores this fact. More than 70% of our traffic and revenue come from distribution on Google and Facebook’s platforms. Thanks to this, we are a profitable media company. We employ local staff, pay them fairly, and expect to continue to grow. In response to the Code, both Google and Facebook have threatened to stop sharing news in Australia. If that happens, it will have a disastrous impact on the revenue of independent publishers like us. In Spain and Germany, similar legislation led to steep drops in local news traffic and caused outsized harm on smaller publishers.[192]
Facebook has been closing down independent journalists and publishers worldwide for some years as part of a war on factual reporting.
this assault on Australia was staged by the liberals, to eliminate smaller outlets and a few independent journo's.
The big players make more money and have even less competition. Facts are even harder to come by now in oz.
On line communities have been interrupted and face increased costs to operate in the same way.
It was designed to be undemocratic and to make the degenerate murdoch more money and power.
Who the f**K is this independent media you are talking about!
Sorry, I hate Murdoch as much as the next guy but this argument of if you don't like it, use something else is weak. It's like saying if you don't like Newscorp, watch something else. When you're a monopoly you should be held to a higher standard.
Why is Australia so call fighting with Facebook and China as well? If you are big enough then stand tall and don’t require their assistance at all and ignore them.
It’s like Dan keep locking down Melb over 2-3 cases, incompetent hotel quarantine and contact tracing and little guys like us have no recourse!
Nice segue
Free and open press is a fundamental of our democracy and in our society it is a business. The new laws protect this business somewhat. I am actually happy to see something being done about it.
My view is that the business models of FB and Google puts their profit above our free press, and weakens our way of life.
I am moving away from Google to other browsers and starting to dump FB and go back to moderated chat sites for interest groups.
We all survived without them and can do so again and switching to another browser is a simple way to tell Google to shove it up their @rse….😁I actually appreciate your point of view. I haven't found anyone who supports the bill.
Just one question though. How are Facebook and Google weakening the press? My understanding is that they aren't taking money away from news outlets, they are just able to profit from it by way of users who happen to use the search engine or share the links on FB
So money is not being siphoning from news, they just generate extra money by having the news on their platforms. And the relationship was that the outlets had an extra source of viewers from Google and Facebook.
Happy to be told I'm wrong. But I thought that's how it was working.
My understanding is that they are using news to enhance the use of their social media platform without paying for it. While I have never used FB as my news source, apparently a lot do. I guess they get extra viewers, but unpaid.
A few months ago a fresh lot of some hundreds of journalists were let go from regionals and hundreds more have gone from nationals, State based are going too. So now we don’t get very much local content, sometimes almost zilch on the weekend.
Reporting is really thin nowadays with few asking hard questions of pollies or business or government. Even the grammar and spelling has gone downhill as editorial staff are stretched.I recognise it’s not just the FB and Google thing, but they aren’t helping the situation at all.
If we don’t have independent press, we end up with only the Murdoch view of the world and the ABC which apparently few watch/listen to. The first thing an unelected group do in taking over a country is remove any independent reporting. We seem happy to p@ss ours against the wall for the sake of a web browser and ‘social’ media.I agree with you on the fact that we should have independent journalism, not now down to agenda based news and that news has been losing money and doing it tough.
But none of those issues are a cause of tech companies. Tech companies, if anything are helping them, BUT they make money while doing it. The money is not being funnled out of media hands and into tech company's.
saltypete Free and open press is a fundamental of our democracy and in our society it is a business. The new laws protect this business somewhat. I am actually happy to see something being done about it.
Facebook are not blocking anything they are complying to morrisons demand of stop or pay they chose to stop it on their free platform
As for fundamental of our democracy Now that has to be a joke is it? morrison has turned his back on Australia's parliament system over 200 times with "i wish the member no longer be heard" that should be boiling your blood not facebook complying to morrisons demand of "cease or pay"
good luck in your new world
This is 100% on the federal government and facebook has made the right call. Clearly there are back room deals happening, no way anyone in their right mind thought the legislation in its current form would actually accomplish anything but lining the major news companies pockets.
It looks to me that facebook actually helps the news outlets and they (the news outlets) need to have better paywalls in place if they want to make more money or redesign their business models. If you don't adapt to the times and rethink your strategy, you get left behind. The government most definitely should not have stepped into this situation.
Facebook clearly knows they are blocking much more than news sites. I think its a genius move to create public blacklash against the government which is clearly working.
which is clearly working.
Pretty sure that it's just incompetence that resulted in non-news sites being blocked as it just makes them look worse…
If it was just news sites, most people wouldn't care…
My news feed in Facebook looks the same as always…
Who gives a shit. Half the news is garbage anyway like "Find out this one trick an Aussie single mum of 73 children used to stabilise her air fryer" and other bullshit along those lines.
"Find out this one trick an Aussie single mum of 73 children used to stabilise her air fryer"
63 clicks later, I still didn't know the trick but bought 3 products along the way…
I was listening to the radio, one woman said she only reads /watches news that's shared on Facebook. She only cared about whats trending and news deemed important enough by her group.
All news agencies are posting such opinionated articles all condenming Facebook and not a single article condemning the govt for their nanny laws. Its almost like the voice of ppl does not matter at all and we just need to suck up to whatever is decided. I really hope this backfires. Who keeps voting these morons in the govt.
You would be surprised by how many people prone to the mass media influence. That is why the government try their best to not let those agencies go under.
@ozhunter: because she was told her career and life would be over, and was probably in a state of shock.
Clearly empathy is missing in your analysis.