Real Estate Agents Asking for Too Much?

I have been renting a house now for over 3 months, any time we have issues with things in the house not working the the real estate agents are not very helpful.

  1. The pool was disgusting when we moved in, algae covered the entire floor. The owner said that I can clean the pool with advice from local pool company and invoice the agent, I did. They replied telling me most of the products are irrelevant, nothing was authorised and they would only refund half the algaecide. I ended up showing them the correspondence with the owner and in a stern email tell them I want my money back and they finally did after 3 weeks.

  2. the pool began to look bad again about a month ago, I got a pool guy in at my own expense, he cleaned the pool. Advised me the cell is broken which then automatically turns the pump off as a protection measure. No pump, algae build up. I gave him the owners number. Rent inspection happens two weeks later, pool is gross again because nothing has been done about the pump (or broken cell). I am told I need to get another pool person in to clean at my expense and for them to send a "report" to the real estate agent ASAP.

  3. The retic was broken, there was a riser that had broken underground, it caused huge leaks and damage to the neighbour's property. We are being told we need to pay for the retic guy to come in to fix it and any damage it has caused the neighbour's property. I was under the impression that we were to replace sprinkler heads but any retic system maintenance was the real estates responsibility.

From all the experiences with these people I feel like they are pushing as much of their cost onto me in the hope that I don't fight back. I would like to know if anyone has experienced anything like this and what I should be doing


Update:

The real estate agent is still claiming I broke the retic and forcing me to pay them (and I'm assuming any damage caused to the neighbours property when they finish repairs)

The real estate agent has finally got someone to come and fix the pool however they have said in an email it is still up for review as to whether they will be paying or I will be invoiced. I'm fearing they are getting someone they know that will try to push the blame onto us. Should I consult another pool company to have someone on my side when they come? Or get a pool professional myself to test and put in writing of the issue before they come to fix it?

I have just received a water bill of $448 for two months which I feel is a bit excessive. It's three people in a house with a pool. I can see the retic being a big cause for the large bill but I still think this too much. A quick google search tells me $215 is more in line with the average of my state.

The last bill was $330, which I thought was a bit much so I requested to see the actual watercorp bill before as they only show me their invoice. They have told me they don't have to, is this true?

Comments

  • +16

    Don't pay anything, it's their responsibility as you didn't move in with a clean pool. Start getting all receipts and apply to tribunal to get the money back.

    Unless your state allows recording phone calls, start keeping all communication to text.

  • +21

    None of that sounds like the tenant's problem. I would refuse to pay.

    • Just the fact that they've asked me to sort out a retic repair person and a pool specialist is a bit weird isn't it? Should I be reporting the issues to them and they be organising repairs without me being involved?

      • +3

        As long as you don't have to pay that should be fine. They don't know when you're home so they can't be organising things without you involved. I'm sure you'd prefer to organise it yourself instead of them letting themselves into your house whether they happen to schedule any maintenance.

        • Retic guy has been and gone last Friday, it cost $150. They invoiced me today of the full cost.

          A handyman has come over on Monday to help the neighbour repair damages caused by the reitc. They want to remove our tiles, fence and set up plinths that stop any water overflowing into his house as his property is lower than ours.

          Our real estate agent will then bill all of that to us once done.

          • +9

            @CheapWrangler: Haha surely you are joking? Did you tell the re to shove the invoices where the sun doesn't shine?

          • +5

            @CheapWrangler: Why are they going to bill it to you? Tell them to get stuffed.

    • -1

      OP should set aside the money in a bank account to demonstrate intent to pay but also go to housing authority of the state.

    • I have been renting a house

      Rent.

    • +2

      not sure about your definition of "easy"

      • he assumes op is on one million dollar yearly income….like himself….should be easy to buy a house right?

    • +7

      Yeah, why don't poor people just get more money?

    • +1

      A well thought out reply

  • +4

    To be fair, you seem to have compounded matters by dealing directly with the owner and not the rental agency.

    • +2

      Nah, some LL might be greedy bastards…
      …but in general, they don't top REA when it comes to being a scum/algae

      • "The standard you walk past emply on your behalf is the standard you accept."

        — Lieutenant General David Morrison
        — Translation mine.

    • I dealt with the owner as he seems like a genuine guy, I helped him out as obviously he wanted to go the cheapest route with fixing the pool at the start and I was happy to oblige. Everything was okay until the real estate agent was billed. That issue has since been resolved anyway. The pool was perfectly fine until a few months later when the cell broke.

      • +1

        The cell broke and you gave them the owners number. If you had raised it at that time with the agent, you most likely would not have had the subsequent issue at inspection time.

        Who is telling you that you need to fix the retic?

        • +2

          The agent was made aware the same day.

          The agent is telling us we need to fix the retic because they've been getting emails of the damage caused to the neighbours house.

          The agent is telling us things like "I strongly recommend you apologise to the neighbour and offer to help with any cleaning and repair"

          • @CheapWrangler: You need to tell the agent you strongly recommend them to get the LL a good legal advise as you are not going to pay a cent and prepare to go to XCAT. X = your state.

            Your obligation is to inform of stuff that come with the house is not working.

            Your rent should cover this.

  • Why not tell the repair person to send the bills direct to the real estate? In my place the gas heater stopped working, I told the tenant the guy I used before's phone number is xxx but if they can't get them feel free to get anyone else, and send the bill to the real estate who will take care of paying it and subtracting it from the rent I receive. Easy for them and me.

    • +4

      The house is really nice, close to work, still have 8 months left on the lease, changing Telco provider takes 20 minutes and not as costly as moving house

  • +1

    You would be liable for pool cleaning. But the owner is responsible for any further costs as soon as you informed the owner or their agent about the problem with broken cell. They will be liable for the repair and cleaning after the repair.

    About the retic, who installed them? If it was available with the house, repairs and maintenance of this thing should be owners responsibility (including any damages caused by it when it breaks). If you installed it, you will be liable.

    Also, when something that came with the rental property breaks, just request repair of the item in writing to the agent. It will be then the owners responsibility to repair them within certain timeframe. Never arrange a repair yourself unless its an emergency repairs or you broke it.

  • +3

    The only way that you could be responsible for the retic repairs and damage to the neighbouring property is if you caused the retic damage. If you are not responsible for the damage by digging, or driving a stake through it, or similar, I can't see how you are in anyway responsible. Tel the REA to take the matter up with the tribunal in your state, if they disagree.

  • +2

    From all the experiences with these people I feel like they are pushing as much of their cost onto me in the hope that I don't fight back.

    Sadly there are plenty of landlords with exactly this attitude. They expect to sit back and make their passive income and you are not a human being to them.

    There are good landlords out there, too. They are harder to find but wonderful after experiencing the worse sort.

    Obviously moving is painful.. but your choices boil down to having a miserable time fighting a negligent landlord, or looking for somewhere new to move in the hope that the next landlord is better.

    • -1

      Anti-landlord sentiment is pretty strong there - but from my reading of the OP their landlord hasn't done anything to justify being called a 'negligent landlord'.

      It seems to be an issue with the real estate agent rather than the landlord by my reading of it.

      I agree there are some pretty average landlords around but I have come across more bad/incompetent property managers/real estate agents than negligent landlords or bad tenants.

      • Anti-landlord sentiment is pretty strong there

        I'll refer you to the part of my comment:

        There are good landlords out there, too. They are harder to find but wonderful after experiencing the worse sort.

        I'm only going off my (reasonably extensive) personal history of renting.

        • …and I will refer you to the OP where they have nothing negative to say about their landlord.

          Your reasonably extensive personal history and opinion of landlords is not relevant to the Op's post in any way.

          Your opinion of the landlords you have had contact with is possibly/probably justified but is really of no help to the OP in this case.

          To repeat myself - I have found over many years much more of an issue has been the quality of the property manager/real estate agent. This seems to be a much more frequent problem than bad landlords or tenants.

  • +1

    Don’t organise any repairs at all. If you do then you are the one with the contract with the tradie and liable for the cost.
    Report everything in writing to the agent.
    If they don’t take action, lodge a complaint with the tenancy board.
    As a tenant you don’t need to pay for any of that and you shouldn’t be organising quotes or repairs either.

  • +1

    Assuming NSW…
    https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/about-fair-trading/our-se…

    Pretty straightforward.

    DO NOT STOP PAYING RENT.

    Don't coordinate or pay for anything else. Email the agent (and cc owner if you like). Demand they replace a faulty piece of equipment on the property. Forward them all previous correspondence and attach the existing bills.

    Once you've done that, wait for their written response and then contact fair trading.

    What type of matters can Fair Trading assist with?
    Fair Trading can assist with matters about:

    residential tenancies where the dispute is between a tenant, agent and/or landlord e.g. tenants illegally locked out of their tenancy, or a landlord seeking advice on getting access to have a repair done

  • +1

    If you do not intend to use the pool, maybe drain it and leave it empty.

    • Not sure if it’s true but I’ve been told that if you leave a pool drained it can adversely affect the surface of the pool

  • some RE are just crap/lazy. Owner asked if there are any leaks, tenant said they told the RE ages ago about one, but by the sounds of it they never followed up either

  • Update:

    • The real estate agent is still claiming I broke the retic and forcing me to pay them (and I'm assuming any damage caused to the neighbours property when they finish repairs)

    • The real estate agent has finally got someone to come and fix the pool however they have said in an email it is still up for review as to whether they will be paying or I will be invoiced. I'm fearing they are getting someone they know that will try to push the blame onto us. Should I consult another pool company to have someone on my side when they come? Or get a pool professional myself to test and put in writing of the issue before they come to fix it?

    • I have just received a water bill of $448 for two months which I feel is a bit excessive. It's three people in a house with a pool. I can see the retic being a big cause for the large bill but I still think this too much. A quick google search tells me $215 is more in line with the average of my state.

    The last bill was $330, which I thought was a bit much so I requested to see the actual watercorp bill before as they only show me their invoice. They have told me they don't have to, is this true?

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