Haval H6 2021 - Yay or Nay?

Ok, I'll throw here the very not popular question, why do you not suggest people to buy Haval's car?

Apart from Made in China stuffs, what are the really valid reasons to avoid this car?
I think made in china reason is so not relevant to be the main reason not to consider Haval. We used to think Xiaomi's brand are not good (made in china), but now see how popular it is with the ozbargainers. We used to think Huawei is not a mobile phone to consider (well i guess it's not preferable at the moment because no Google Play installed) - but it's actually an awesome phone and guess what, MADE IN CHINA.

I went to test drive Haval H6 with my mate today, who is considering getting one, and we felt that the experience was awesome. Of course it's not the best car I have ever driven, but for the price like that, I really can't find any big complaints about it. It's not the smoothest drive ever, but the seat was comfortable, cameras are great, drive was smooth enough.

Some of the reasons I found why people avoid this chinese car are:

  • Resale value is a joke - shouldn't be an issue if you plan to keep this car long time
  • Parts are difficult to get - isn't this applicable to all cars at the moment in this COVID era?
  • No Android Auto - will be included in the next update for free
  • Buying this will support communism in China - then we might have to throw possibly 75% of all the stuffs we have at home - this is not a valid reason.

So car experts, please throw your opinions here about this car! I think for the price and all the things you get, this is an excellent car.

Poll Options

  • 56
    Yay
  • 280
    Nay

Comments

  • +23 votes

    "grabs popcorn fried rice"

    I'm expecting some quality responses

    • +5 votes

      Dont cook the rice with colander

      • +2 votes

        Must wash rice first.

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      Why would anyone bother, when someone has already said it’s an “excellent car”. to which we also need to understand the value after 5 years ownership.

      So we encourage them to that way we get to know if it’s true - real world testing. And if someone else decides to be this, then thats a bargain for me.

      Win win 😀

  •  

    Was looking at getting a duel or single cab… Gwm and all the Chinese variants had the cheapest and basic layout… But was the cheapest and had stock…

    Other models Mitsi Toyota Nissan Isuzu had no stock available till July/Sept but the chinese had 2/3 stock.

    You may save 5-10k but in the end you are paying for the difference now

    • +2 votes

      If you are looking at utes add the LDV to the list.

  • +28 votes

    There's already been a thread about this and it comes down to…

    How willing are you to risk your $30-$38k?

    Let me give you a flip side view. Right now I'm driving my old's Xtrail. Its mid spec and its boring as hell. However it was a very safe buy. It has good resale… it has mediocre/slash terrible infotainment, parts and support are everywhere… its no joke, there's so many of them getting written off and they've been around since 2013 that parts are cheap as hell. Running costs are low.

    But if it was me buying a car today I'd probably buy a fully loaded 4wd H6. I'd take the risk.

    Its hard for me to come up with a competitor to the H6 at $40k that has its level of equipment and the turbo 2.0 4wd, 7 spd dct and 7yr warranty and I find it looks ok. Currently I find it hard to pass up.

    I'd wait 2-3yrs and see how it pans out on the market so far.

    I'm over the whole China thing. I've been a mechanic for a while and we pulled apart Audis, BMWs etc. they're riddled with chinese parts. Whatever car you buy youre getting China bits.

    We have no car making abiility here. I feel like the Euros Japanese and Koreans are rooting us in the a$$ as far as value goes so that leaves us with the Chinese.

    • +6 votes

      I'm over the whole China thing. I've been a mechanic for a while and we pulled apart Audis, BMWs etc. they're riddled with chinese parts. Whatever car you buy youre getting China bit

      I agree with you here. I really don't understand people keep using that statement and feel that opinion seals the discussion - There are too many car parts for other brands that are made in China, so what is really the difference here?

      • +6 votes

        There's vids on YT of people taking apart Teslas and yeh, its full of chinese bits.

      • -33 votes

        I'm over the whole China thing. I've been a mechanic for a while and we pulled apart Audis, BMWs etc. they're riddled with chinese parts. Whatever car you buy youre getting China bit

        I agree with you here. I really don't understand people keep using that statement and feel that opinion seals the discussion

        Then you're a terrible mechanic.

        Were you pulling apart a Mercedes GLB 200?
        Perhaps an Audi Q3?
        Or a BMW X2?

        Most low end European cars are made in China, and mainly targeted to the Chinese market, there's no need for some uber mechanic like yourself to figure that out.

        The real European luxury cars start at the Mercedes E, S and GLS [upper] range models , these cars are reliable, strong, luxurious and in every way above and beyond a shitty chinese-made HAVAL or Genesis, hence you'd be hard-pressed to find your "riddled with Chinese parts" claim backed up.

        • +6 votes

          Genesis is South Korean owned by hyundai, which owns Kia. cant say they are shitty made cars.

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          Who makes the gear box? Not the manufacturer. Who makes the electronics. Again, not the manufacturer. Who makes most of the fiddly parts common across brands? Not the manufacturer.

          The manufacturer makes the big metal and plastic parts then assembles everybody else's parts.

          The only manufacturer I know who makes valves in Koenigsegg, and that is only because they came up with a new technology. Otherwise why would you? Why would you risk $5000 per car replacing engines by letting your grad student's reinvent the valve when you can just pay Bosch 50c a piece and give them the liability?

          • +4 votes

            @This Guy: And even if the manufacturer ‘makes’ its own parts, it’s likely in a contract factory in china.

          • +2 votes

            @This Guy: Came across an interesting presentation on this kinda thing recently. It's overall a bit long, but there's a neat little example using toasters.

            ….we do not expect a toaster manufacturer to have their own iron mine or their own refineries or their own plastic factories or their own printing presses, or to have their own forests where they make paper or where they manufacture screws. …. But is there a lot of other stuff that you can not do and be a good toaster company? ….

            So for example, the power cable, or the fuse, you could just buy fuses, you don’t need to make the fuses. So when, when Philips originally made their first toasters, I’m sure they also made fuses, because they were an all round electronics company at the time, but you don’t make a better toaster because you have a better fuse. ….. Similarly, the microcontroller, you can just buy it, you don’t need to build your own microcontroller to make a toaster. The coils you also don’t need, you don’t need to make your own coils. …

            And finally, what is left is the actual toasting element. And I found out, you can just buy these online in bulk. So you also don’t need to make those. And what is left as a toaster manufacturer is that you maintain the logo, you maintain the brand, you write the manuals, you do the logistics of shipping the toaster, and you’re going to be an actual credible toaster company without doing any of the things that are actually around making toast. …. You can outsource all the things, you can just tell people look, we’re no longer making any of the components of the toaster, we’re buying them from the open markets. And then you need extremely strong quality assurance to make sure that you are not shipping a bad toaster. …..

            But we still have this room full of people that are experts at toasters. And we don’t allow them to make any toasters. They’re not allowed actually to do anything. But on paper, they are the biggest toaster experts. …

            If you are passionate about toast, you will not work at a company that does not build toasters, that only does marketing. … And the smart engineers, they want to build better toasters, they want to touch actual stuff.

      •  

        There's an enormous difference between made in and designed in. If something is well designed from the product itself through to the production process, the location of the manual labour following instructions and operating machinery doesn't really make any difference. Where it does make a very real difference long term, is design, quality and production engineers begin to lose the practical contact required to keep improving designs and processes.

        • +4 votes

          You don't know that Haval hired European car designer to design this new version? So based on your statement above, this Haval car has a good chance to be an OK car then?

          • -1 vote

            @Taro Milk Tea: Test drive it then and let us know. You'll know whether its a well designed car (parts aside) just from the human feeling.

          • -1 vote

            @Taro Milk Tea: They probably hired a euro designer to get the shape and then worked out the cheapest parts they could put on and the cheapest way to manufacture it.

      • +2 votes

        Its not about the reliability, but how in the world are you going to sell it, no one wants to buy chinese cars, people think they are crap go look at gumtree, no resale value. Why not just buy a lower spec of pajero sport ot rexton or something? Mitsibushi has 10 year warranty and 5 years later you can sell the pajero for maybe $10k less.

        • +2 votes

          chinese evs will defo rule the car market, but gas cars probably not.

      • +1 vote

        manufacturing standards? im sure the germans and japs when ordering parts from china they have minimum manufacturing QC standards. i dont know about haval

    • +2 votes

      "I'm over the whole China thing."

      Same. I'm over garbage being re-sold here, with corners cut. The vast majority of trash tier comes from China.

      "Whatever car you buy youre getting China bits."

      My car disagrees with your sweeping assessment.

      • +3 votes

        They only make things, because there is a customer and a demand for it. The customer demands cheap, garbage, cost cutting products, they get, cheap garbage cost cutting products.

        I consult in retail/manufacturing/marketing sector.

        People don't make things for no reason, people make things cause some tightarse wants a cheap product.

  • +4 votes

    After looking around I recently bought my first ute the GWM Canon. Wow. So much for the money. I believe a game changer for the market and in the long term will force other car manufacturers to lower their inflated prices. Why pay $20k more for a basic Ford with half the safety features? Also so popular about 8 week wait for X version.

    •  

      This ^^^

      you're just not getting good value with a lot of established brands. I was looking at $60k for a close to base model Ranger 4x4 dual cab.

      You're looking at $40k for a mid spec. fwd Jappo Kolean compact suv.

      Traditional manufacturers know they have you by the balls due to the TSMC shortages.

      I think we're going to see the Chinese wreak havoc up until they ban ICE cars in 2030.

    • +1 vote

      exactly, I think these chinese brand cars are the game changers in oz car industry

      •  

        I love competition and I can see the Chinese to be the leader when it comes to future car manufacturing, especially when it comes to electric.

        •  

          They are already the leading electric heavy vehicle manufacturer - and by that I mean the number of electric buses they're rolling down, since the shanghai expo in 2008… is incredible.

      • +2 votes

        They’ve tried to be game changers before. Not succeeded yet.

        The electric car industry is going to be interesting in the near future with new comers breaking in while the fossil fuel dinosaurs get left behind.

        • +14 votes

          Chinese just can't stop themselves cutting corners. That is why they buy Australian milk powder.

    • +18 votes

      Maybe when you go to sell it or trade it in a couple of yrs and get offered a peanut butter sandwich for it, you'll change your mind?

      • +1 vote

        Wow. If I can buy a 3 year old Chinese ute for peanut butter, I'll have me several. A terrific bargain.

        I think those thinking this way about Chinese cars are living in the past. The main concern with them now is if the parts/service will be up to scratch - but that is about the Australian importers and distributors, not the manufacturer. It's not as though those importers haven't fall down with expensive euros before.

        China makes THREE TIMES as many cars as the US does (26M vs 8M) and has the biggest car market in the world - and a fiercely competitive one. There's no reason to believe a Chinese import is any worse than a US one - and some reason (the massive investment in new capacity, and that local competitiveness) to believe they're better.

    • +2 votes

      Just make sure you do something about the extremely crappy plastic diesel filter that sits lower than the chassis rail if you plan to take it off road.

      You can see where they have cut their engineering corners.

  • +14 votes

    If you like it
    Then buy it
    / Thread it

    • +1 vote

      Maybe OP is seeking common sense from the community.

      • +1 vote

        ROFL, just like a Rabbitohs supporter asking who they should support this year

        Or use any like Pies, Swans, Maroons etc etc

  •  

    Plenty of other choices at that price range. If Chinese car makers want to penetrate the market they got to set their prices way way way lower.

    • +2 votes

      like how low?

      • +3 votes

        I see what you did there

      • +3 votes

        like at least $10 - 15k savings vs the Japanese and Korean cars

        • +9 votes

          at least $10 - 15k savings

          it already is..

          • +2 votes

            @Taro Milk Tea: No its not, its the same price as mitsubishi outlander and nissan x trail.

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              @mrvaluepack:

              No its not, its the same price as mitsubishi outlander and nissan x trail

              Outlander base model $29990 drive away
              X-Trail base mdel$31,990 drive away
              Haval H6 base model $25,990 drive away

              Nope

              • -1 vote

                @singlemalt72: Still not $10-15k savings.

                $4k savings is nothing if you take depreciation into account.

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                  @mrvaluepack:

                  if you take depreciation into account

                  lol come on dude

                  • +1 vote

                    @Taro Milk Tea: 2017 Haval H6 Premium - Private Price Guide $17,000 - $19,000

                    2017 Outlander ES ZL Auto 2WD - Private Price Guide $21,500 - $23,900

                    I picked the 2 cheapest models of that year. Both have nearly the same purchase price listed (though of course, both were likely on drive-away campaigns).

                    Still , there's a $2,500 - $6,900 price difference 4 years later…

                    Cheapest 2019 H6 on Carsales - $23,888 with 20,000kms
                    Cheapest 2019 Outlander on Carsales - $25,998 with 80,000kms

                    $2,000+ right there, would be a far greater difference if kms were similar (nearly $4,000 difference to be exact)

                    •  

                      @spackbace: Good analysis, though just to point out
                      there's a $2,500 - $6,900 price difference 4 years later…

                      Use median would result in more reasonable figures: Haval 18000, Mitsi 22700

                      Ask yourself:

                      Is the additional features on Haval worth the extra 4700 depreciation?

                      Base on the reliability history of Haval, do you expect people's perception to improve, and lead to better resale in 5 years time?

                      My answer is likely different to yours. Though that's my rationale when we made the decision.

                      • +1 vote

                        @YRT:

                        My answer is likely different to yours. Though that's my rationale when we made the decision.

                        And another thing to throw in the mix… I just did insurance quotes for those 2 cars (the cheapest 2019 H6 and Outlander). All things being equal (kms, driver, suburb etc)
                        Outlander - cheaper per year with an agreed value of $27,100 (which it defaulted to). The H6 is an agreed value of $22,500. Yet the Outlander came out cheaper to insure.

                        There's so many things that just point towards the Haval being worse value for money!

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                          @spackbace: Sounds possible, though best to shop around.

                          I did a quote before we bought the H6 AWD 2021 with RACV. Rating 1, 30+yo, Garaged, western suburbs of Melbourne. It was around 580 ish for us.

                          My current 2015 Jetta is cheaper by 60, though payout amount is only 12500 by RACV. New H6 payout would be 39k.

                          BTW, RACV price gouge loyal customer - I'm paying 900 for the Jetta, only to find out the website quotes 520 if I buy their policy again. Lol

                  •  

                    @Taro Milk Tea: Just saying, look at mahindra's XUVs. They are also not cheap enough for me to be willing to:
                    - lose out on depreciation
                    - cover the cost of perceived decreased reliability
                    - cover the cost of perceived decreased safety and quality issues.
                    - travel the extra distance to purchase the vehicle or send it to a dealership to get it serviced/repaired

                    if the indian and chinese SUVs were around the $20k mark instead, then I would pay a little more attention to them and maybe include them in any future decision making purchases.

  • +23 votes

    Stick to Japanese cars, was just speaking to a car mechanic earlier while getting my tires and battery changed. He works too for a massive service centre southeast of Victoria on weekdays. His company also sells both Japanese and Chinese brands - MG/LDV/Haval and he said almost everyday, they are getting these Chinese brands back in the service centre coz of so many issues. I did mention that we almost bought an MG because the interiors looked really good but settled on a Mitsubishi in the end. He said 'good, one of the best decisions you made'. I guess that statement says a lot.

    • +1 vote

      coz of so many issues.

      Can you share what are the issues?

      Coz i think there are also many japanese/korean brand new cars that got sent back because many issues

      • +2 votes

        He mentioned a white screen issue on display and speaker issues. I wish I can give you more details but I did not ask much coz I was not interested.

    • +6 votes

      I've shared my experience of being offered a job as a warranty guy with foton before. Build quality and quality control are atrocious, they were selling cars knowing they had issues that weren't sorted.

      •  

        what issues?

        • +8 votes

          Everything and anything. Paint was so thin parts of them were rusting coming over on the ship. A rear diff caught fire (how this even happens I don't know). Complete engine failures. Communications failures between engine, transmission and body computers.

          The engines were licenced from Cummins (who have a generally excellent reputation), and built in China. They are terrible.

          • +4 votes

            @brendanm: You get similar stories even now from pretty much any automotive brand, kia selto's catching fire with more then 147000 cars recalled, abs faults in Hyundai's i30's resulting in a recall and fire risks. Tuscans recalled because more fire risks. Even toyota did a minor recall on Hilux rogues because you guessed it. More fire risks.

            Every brand has crap examples, I personally have been yelling out to every great wall, Haval and MG driver I see and generally apart from a unusual amount of MG driver complaining about water getting into the car when it rains (That they got fixed under warranty) Most everyone says that they haven't experienced an issue that they would say has been out of the norm of car ownership. My neighbour has a 2011 X240 that she got secondhand in 2014. Says she hasn't had a single issue with it at all and that she loves it.

            • +11 votes

              @JustASmoothSkin: Ok, you know best.

            • +4 votes

              @JustASmoothSkin:

              Every brand has crap examples,

              Yes, but if you're an established brand, it's good to have a recall, because it shows you care about your customers. If you're a new brand, it's bad, because it shows your cars are crap.

              It's just like bad drivers. It's never "F&^ing full licensed driver" when they do something wrong, but it's always "F&^ing P-Plater" when they do.

              It really annoys me when people expect others to take the risks. If everyone had this opinion that new brands should be avoided, we'd not have Hyundai, Kia, Tesla, etc.

              Far too many people write off these new brands.

              • +3 votes

                @photonbuddy: agree

                VW is an established brand - took a class action for them to do the right thing

                They're actually worse than these Chinese brands in a way (who probably can't make cars as well) - they actively went out to cheat us.
                It's egregious.

                I still like VW's but feel solidly burned and don't think I could buy another VAG car again

                • +1 vote

                  @netpenthe:

                  they actively went out to cheat us.
                  It's egregious.
                  I still like VW's but feel solidly burned and don't think I could buy another VAG car again

                  What? They cheated the emissions rules to give the customer better economy and power. What did they do to you?

                  • +5 votes

                    @brendanm: Actually they cheated the emissions rules to NOT give the customer better fuel economy. So not only did VW lie to customers, the customers will pay the price in using more fuel.

                    VW were also caught gasing monkeys as part of their emissions research.

                    • +2 votes

                      @deal88:

                      Actually they cheated the emissions rules to NOT give the customer better fuel economy.

                      Incorrect. The vehicles with the "fix" have worse economy than before.

                      • +1 vote

                        @brendanm: VW screwed the consumer twice then.

                        Once when they misadvertised their emissions figures, and another time when they had to legitimately fix their cars to meet emissions standards.

    • +2 votes

      I work in the industry so and knew someone asking me questions about the MG ZST. I happen to know some multi-brand mechanics that work on the MG vehicles as well as European brands. The feedback they gave me was the MG had no more issues that the other brands.
      The worst he could say was he would put in a better battery when it came time to change it.

      If you google, Volvo problems, Mercedes problems, Honda problems etc you will always get a small portion of people with issues.

      MG has been in the top 10 sellers recently, if they had any serious issues people would know about it. The sales numbers are high enough to make any issues visible.

  •  

    is it a hybrid or mitsubishi engine powered?

    •  

      no hybrid models at this stage, not that I know if it will arrive here or not anyway…probably still in long term.

      Some people said this is mitsubishi engined, but I really can't find the proof about it

      •  

        The 2.0 is a new Chinese built engine, where the jolions smaller 1.5 is a updated Mitsubishi Orion clone. Personally the orion platform has been stretched too far that's why we got the 2021 H6.

  • +6 votes

    what are the really valid reasons to avoid this car?

    Of course it's not the best car I have ever driven
    It's not the smoothest drive ever
    drive was smooth enough.

    If you walk away from test driving a car, and feel the need to say "it wasn't bad but…" then there's a good reason you didn't buy one.

    OP I can guarantee if you actually had to put your money down on one, and drive it for 10yrs/200,000kms, that you'd be singing a lot louder tune about why it isn't the best car to buy.

    •  

      hey mate, I know you're one of the car expert here, can you share why people should avoid this brand?

      OP I can guarantee

      Really keen to know the technical reasons why you can guarantee such a statement.

      Btw, I'm not the one planning to buy here.

      • +21 votes

        Resale value is a joke - shouldn't be an issue if you plan to keep this car long time

        Resale value is a reflection of trust of quality. Euros, CJD, etc, all plummet in value after warranty expires because its believed they'll either die, or be expensive to keep alive. No point in the "oh resale doesn't affect me coz I'll keep the car for X years", because it might cost you that much to own, be in and out of repairs (costing you time without a car), etc etc.

        "Oh but it's got Xyrs warranty" - yeah but what if the brand shuts up shop in Aus? We've seen various brands try in Aus, with varying success. It's more about the dealerships that see a huge short term profit for importing Chinese/Indian cars. They don't need to care about the long-term issues.

        Sure, Chinese cars could once be thought of in the same way we think of Korean cars. How we saw the cheap Excels of the 90s to where Hyundai are now. The thing is, that's been a 30yr progression. Why buy one of the earlier models now? Just to get a brand new car instead of a slightly used one? Gimme the slightly used Japanese car any day

        • +5 votes

          what if brand shuts shop? Like Honda? Holden?

          •  

            @tonyjzx: Honda still alive (just fixed price sales), and Holden had to guarantee parts (though general consensus is not to expect the full 10yrs)

            •  

              @spackbace: I do get ya but people here already are feeling the results of Honda "not quite shutting shop".

              As I always say, evaluate your level of risk.

              Right now I have two Japanese SUVs. I would not risk even Korean nor would I risk what I consider a non tier 1 grade Japanese brand (ie. Toyota Nissan Mazda and maybe Mitsubishi).

              I would also not consider Chinese brands right now but its hard to overlook a few things for me… I find Japanese and Korean SUVs ugly as hell. I find CVTs irritating. I'm over them charging top money for low specs.

              I might risk a Haval as a 2nd car to be honest. I'm not super all that happy about the way Koreans do their 7yr warranty thing and I expect the Chinese to be the same. You have to fight every inch to get things covered.

              I'm ok with the way Nissan do their 5yr warranty… ie. I got no Nissan faults so I never use their warranty lol.

        • +3 votes

          Another point with warranty, do you really want to constantly be without a car, and have the hassle of getting it to/from the dealer getting fixed all the time?

          • +2 votes

            @brendanm: If warranty was not a big issue, why do the European brands still have 3 year warranties? Don’t they trust their products?

            • +1 vote

              @deal88: Where did I say warranty wasn't a big deal? Also, Merc and vw have 5 year, not sure about the others.

              The comment that you replied to, was me suggesting that simply because you have a warranty, doesn't mean you want to buy a piece of shit that is constantly getting repaired, even if you aren't paying.

      •  

        I think people are kidding themselves here a bit.

        The H6 is a sub $40k compact SUV.

        This thing:

        "Of course it's not the best car I have ever driven, but for the price like that, I really can't find any big complaints about it. It's not the smoothest drive ever, but the seat was comfortable, cameras are great, drive was smooth enough."

        I've driven a Mercedes Benz S class and a Porsche 91 and a BMW 540 and…

        What are your expectations for $40k? I'm betting you can round up every $40k Asian SUV and you'd find the same results.

        Nothing will drive all that well or ride that smooth or accelerate that fast if you've driven something that's $80k $100k. etc.

        You're driving two tons of compromise. I drove a brand new RAV4 and I found it to be ordinary but I'd say for most people, its a safe buy if you have $40k to spend on an FWD mid spec CUV.

        • +3 votes

          In a market today which sees many near new cars selling for the same, or more than the price of new ones, Carsales shows H6 Premiums from $23,888 for a 2019, for a car which brand new is $30,990.

          Yet you think someone "couldn't go wrong" by buying that car? 😂

          • +1 vote

            @spackbace: I never said that.

            • -1 vote

              @tonyjzx: I know I was about to edit 😛

              I wouldn't say it was a "safe buy"…

              • +8 votes

                @spackbace: I didnt say that either. I said my Xtrail and a RAV4 is a very safe buy.

                You really need to get your act together.

  •  

    Join some fb groups, I’m on an MG one as I was interested and it really shows a lot about the car, most love the MG but people who have problems with the car seem to have big problems.

    The Havals are some nice cars and people who play the ‘Chinese junk’ card have to remember that every car is a money pit.

    If you genuinely like the car, get it.

    • +2 votes

      people who play the ‘Chinese junk’ card have to remember that every car is a money pit.

      but people who have problems with the car seem to have big problems.

      Glowing recommendation towards 'Chinese junk' there 😂

    •  

      I know a lot of people with European vehicles. A few of the cars have had major issues and the repairs were more than the cost of a new Haval.

  • +7 votes

    "MaDe iN cHiNa BaD…" - Sent from my iPhone

    "cHiNa CaR bAd" - Drives a rebadged Geely/Saic or mainstream brand that manufactures their cars in cHiNa. (Or worse, a French car…)

    Just do your homework and buy what you feel comfortable buying. Not everyone wants to spend $90,000 on a Landcruiser…

    • +12 votes

      Lol! Happens few years back - client did long rant on "made in China bad" then telling us that he just received delivery of brand new Volvo, and how good the car was. He did not come to term when I told him that Volvo is owned by Chinese company. Google it right in front of him. His exact car was assembled in China. Had a good laugh. No longer client.

      • +12 votes

        Vhen Volvo first started manufacturing in China their quality (of manufacture) was equivalent to Europe. Volvo implemented quality metrics and controls and gradually pulled the Swedish naturals out. Quality started to become an issue, after a while they sent a contingent back to investigate. The quality went back up after the data revealed inconsistencies with the reporting standards. While there were observers on the line the quality was maintained. When there was no one watching the reports were good, but the quality was bad. Locally manufactured to print parts continue to be of poor quality control from local suppliers in some instances. Volvo made in China Is not the same as Volvo made in Gothenburg.

        •  

          Source?

        • +7 votes

          This is the story with most chinese manufacturing.

          China has the manufacturing expertise to build high quality, it isn't the 80s anymore. But if there's a dollar to be made swapping parts suppliers to an unvetted junk manufacturer, you can bet the plant management will take that extra dollar at the expense of their client.

          Eventually we will get to the stage where Chinese owned brands will have the better quality control, while Western brands using Chinese factories will still be struggling to control their supply chain.

  • +17 votes

    I’m sure Chinese cars are improving. However, the old adage is ‘you get what you pay for’ and Haval is cheaper than everything else. They have to cut costs somewhere. Lower Quality of materials, reduced design and testing, paying peanuts for labour. It all adds up to a less reliable experience - in the longer term.

    We all know China makes some good stuff, but you have to pay for it. The cheaper stuff still has less quality because it’s cheaper.

    • -8 votes

      The cheaper stuff still has less quality because it’s cheaper.

      Price got nothing to do with quality. Price is just what you pay. A litre of coke sold at coles is 500% cheaper than 1L coke sold at cinema and quality is the same.

      They have to cut costs somewhere.Lower Quality of materials, reduced design and testing, paying peanuts for labour. It all adds up to a less reliable experience - in the longer term

      Corolla is cheaper than Porsche 911. It will be a front page news if 911 clocking 500k.

      • +8 votes

        A litre of coke sold at coles is 500% cheaper than 1L coke sold at cinema and quality is the same.

        This isn't true at all though. The mixture of syrup and ingredients is actually quite different. McDonalds coke is actually the best of the bunch.

        It will be a front page news if 911 clocking 500k.

        Indeed. Bill MacEachern and his 911 with 1.2 million KM on the clock were front page news.

        I don't get either of your points.

        • -4 votes

          I don't get either of your points.

          My point is that price got nothing to do with quality.

          were front page news.

          Thank you! Most well maintained corolla will reach 500k easily. Just because corolla is cheaper does not mean it's less reliable.

          This isn't true at all though. The mixture of syrup and ingredients is actually quite different. McDonalds coke is actually the best of the bunch

          OK bad example. Not really a coke aficionados but thanks for the info. Just learnt that coke dispenser at McDonald's comes as syrup and had to be mixed with water.

          Maybe better example is wine at Dan Murphy and the same bottle of wine at high end restaurant.

          Same quality but you pay different price. And just because you have it at high end restaurant and paying premium, you perceive the wine quality to be higher.

          • +2 votes

            @pig: Price got nothing to do with quality?

            The adage "You get what you pay for" is quite often true.

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              @ctg: Oh… if I'm trying to sell , this old adage is the absolute truth. You should see how many people fell for it.

        • +5 votes

          The mixture of syrup and ingredients is actually quite different. McDonalds coke is actually the best of the bunch.

          Have to disagree there. I’m sure the formula is a bit different, but Maccas coke is horrid.

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            @Euphemistic: I suppose it's subjective, but as a pretty heavy coke drinker, definitely prefer the higher syrup content at McDonalds than the cans. An issue you may find is the filtered water that's mixed in sometimes tastes off and ruins it though. Not an issue in high flow areas like CBD.