Thinking of buying an investment property in that area but I saw this:
https://www.racv.com.au/in-your-home/in-your-home/burglary-s…
It was one of the safest suburbs in 2017 and 2018.
Anyone knows what's up with the data and why the dramatic increase in crime cases over the past 2 years in that postcode?
How does that correlate to increased burglaries, so are you saying break in of empty properties?
On the average, fewer people in the area at any particular time who also tend to have a lower level of interest in home/neighbourhood security.
It doesn't necessarily mean the thieves solely target empty properties (as obviously there's just that much less to steal in them), but that would obviously be a soft target.
Makes sense, my wife was saying it was because of all the new apartments around the area causing the old apartments to rent for dirt cheap thus luring more people of lower socio-economic backgrounds into that area.
Yes and renters care less.
Or renters couldn't care less.
Asian suburb = residents keeping cash under the mattress and full of easily offloaded goods
Asian suburb yes, but so is Clayton, Springvale and Glen Waverly.
I don't understand the stolen property bit.
laptops, jewelry, phones, cars
stuff found in a well-to-do family
Why cash?
The elderly (and folks born overseas) from that side of the world seem to be more comfortable keeping cash in the house - for the weekly shop,, paying tradies and everything else. Tradies might offer a cash discount too if they don't issue a receipt.
Going out to the ATM every week, or using a bank card is not a thing for them
they dont like to pay tax, hence most of their businesses are cash in hand so they have to stash the money somewhere
Well 2 or 3 years ago I nearly got robbed in Box Hill (tall lanky, presumed to be Sudanese youths, walking back late night after a Coles shop) this Feb 2021, house got burglared in Doncaster. (Agree with paytons comment, certain new year lantern was put up by my partners parent, keep house outwardly without visible signs/hint of house contents)
Home security / deterrent is a must.
Whereabouts was your incident? Box Hill Central area?
I hardly see people of African heritage in box hill but I do see them hanging out in Doncaster Westfield.
One of the streets off Surrey Dr coming back from Box Hill Central.
I've heard mention of apartments in Doncaster from the neighbours as well leading to uptick in crime.
(Anyway neighbour 2 houses down got hit first a week or 2 ago that Feb 2021, didn't hear a lick of it, otherwise I'd have worked from home, or started buying home security)
They dont live there and rob there…. Never shit in your own nest…
Thats what i suspect as well, the robbers are from other suburbs and are targeting box hill likely because of what payton said.
Why would you want to buy there? Prices are overinflated and have been for some time.
IP first, then live there eventually. I wanna get into the Box Hill High Zone in the future when my kids go to secondary school.
Isn't East Don SC better?
You pay $90k stamp duty on a $1.5M property (entry fee) and lose $35k in agents fees et al (exit fee). Let's round up to $120,000 including conveyancing, moving expenses, other aggravation etc.
That buys a lot of time at a private school, which your kids can attend regardless of where you live.
He wants to live there though? Getting into an area via IP was the only way I could do it as well.
2 kids per year for 6 years at a private school is more than $120k. This is assuming property prices stay the same or rise.
Try finding many places that arent overinflated in the last decade.. few and far between
Burglary is just the beginning.
1 in 66 homes burgled yikes
still the avg of 1 in 148 seems high
Bikies?
Large number of renters due to many IPs lead to transitioning demographic and population which leads to higher risk of degenerates (sounds harsh but it's true).
Also, the shopping centre areas and community areas haven't been developed as much as the residential areas and you'll notice that certain areas have higher delinquent hang outs (eg near the outside Woolies entrance, the tunnel, old train station and bus loop area).
The old train station has been a major issue for years and it's a main station so you have a lot of traffic coming in and out.
If you look at the 2016 demographics, it shows large amount of renters then as well but 2016 & 2017 crime data was good (low).
https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/get…
So it doesn't make sense, unless we're referring to the quality of renters that has reduced.
I thought the hang outs used to be at the main entrance near NeNe but that place has been transformed into a pretty decent walking street.
It's likely the consecutive years of renter's compounds and drives the rate up over time.
Over time this increase in crime will lower rental and housing costs, attracting a lower demographic. The children need to attend school, they will be attending along side your kids, likely lowering the score of the school you just uprooted your family to attend. Is it worth it?
But then you would see those data gradually move in a trend, not sudden drops like 2019 and 2020 plus the schools would show the same results as well but it doesn't. Therefore, I'm hoping that this is just a blip because of covid and things will get better once everything starts to normalise again.
I spent a fair bit of time during those years in the BH area at I had a girlfriend who lived there.
It's mainly the demographic that's changed, back then there weren't those big apartments so a lot of the older rentals and smaller unit blocks were still going to students and people working.
The quality of the renters definitely declined in recent years (even before covid) and similar to Springvale, it attracted fringe demographics.
I noticed that with the large construction works, public/community housing, employment agencies and the Centrelink didn't help, especially as it became more and more messy. Also, the police station in the area is pretty much for show, there were a few articles and comments in the local Whitehorse paper calling this out especially as you mentioned the front of Nene features a few delinquents quite often and there would be people mugging or scamming people near the tunnel
There was an article a few years back about how these transitioning renters would be responsible for a tonne of illegal dumping and there would be break ins because the landlord or REA wouldn't realise that it was a sign that the tenants had left/bailed.
I used to live in Box Hill and own property there now. When I was a kid, we had a break in and they stole lots and lots of jewelry and small valuables. In that same year, I went to my friends house around the corner and knocked on the door. I heard rumbling in there so thought they were home, but found it odd that my friend didn't come to the door. Later that day when I saw my friend walking home with his family, I asked what was going on with their house… They'd been burgled.
There's also housing commission smack bang in the middle of Box Hill, and I used to have a friend that lived there. As a teenager, I remember hearing him and his friend discuss when they were going to 'hit' a house as they knew that an expensive push bike was there.
Back when I used to play at TimeZone too, I made many friends that were on drugs and would really go and find homes to hit. I do wonder if it was one of them that burgled my and my friends home.
Box Hill property is in high demand with the Asian community. I too bought in Box Hill North and between that and the central property, I'd take the north as it felt much safer. The mentioned housing commission is only a few minutes walk from Box Hill Centro (central).
I'd agree - with go north. Wangaratta should be a safe distance.
I assume those housing commission are low rise unlike the South Yarra or Carlton ones?
Boxhill is only for shopping any kind of asian groceries and takeaways. Why would anyone want to live there, its an ‘upcoming’ Springvale with littered streets, honkings and traffic mess way too much almost on the levels of Springvale. And with prices inflated, low rentals and somewhat increased ‘crimes’, it won’t make sense as an investment either.
I actually don't mind living in Springvale if I were single or didn't have kids.
Broken Windows theory describes how good suburbs can turn into bad suburbs. I’ve never been to Box Hill and don’t know much about it but this could go some way to explaining it. Have a look at the Theoretical Explanation section in the link below. The article in Science (referenced in the link) where an experiment was run in the Netherlands is very interesting also. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
Based on backupper1’s comment and what I know of Springvale, I wonder whether the heroin dealers have moved in? What do others who live there or know the area think?
As an aside, one of my friends cycles all around Melbourne and has told me the antisocial behaviour and way she is treated in the streets while riding is strongly correlated to the socioeconomic level of the suburb
Too many investment properties, no one living in them permanently.