Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Tesla Model 3?

LNormalGoat on 31/12/2021 - 11:38
Last edited 31/12/2021 - 12:06 by 1 other user

Hopping onto the EV train and need some advice on which car to get. I am a fan of Hyundai cars and how far they have come, even the family has stopped buying Japanese cars because of how good value for money and quality Korean cars are these days. The V2L capability is a bonus though I don’t think it is really a major factor.

Tesla looks to be more future thinking in terms of its autonomous driving and multimedia system. Quality has been an issue from what I’ve heard and seen, has anyone experienced different with their recent deliveries?

Let me know what you think by voting in the poll and/or commenting. I really am indecisive and don’t have a gut feeling towards either one lol.

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    Hyundai Ioniq 5
  • 203
    Tesla Model 3
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Comments

    • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 14:35
      +13

      I mean you're not wrong.

      Heaps of potential bang.. and not the good kind that happens in a bus.

      • Kangal on 02/01/2022 - 18:23

        There's two puns in that comment

    • payless69 on 02/01/2022 - 13:46

      Maybe next gen. I have driven most EV's but the MG just beats the Leaf in being a joke.

      • dcep on 02/01/2022 - 16:47

        MG Europe has now revealed a little more detail on the MY22 version.
        MG Australia offer an insight into its local launch plan once it gets stock sent our way.
        The current plan, it says, is to offer both batteries.
        The Standard Range (320km) with 51kWh energy content, and the Long Range (440km) with 72kWh.
        https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2022-mg-zs-ev-australi…

      • flametornado on 03/01/2022 - 07:13
        +3

        But the king of the joke EVs will always be the Mazda ev.

        1/2 the range for all of the price, who wouldn't want one.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:11
          +1

          Annoys me that Mazda make (IMO) the best combustion cars but seem to be actively resisting any trend towards EVs. At this rate they’ll be the next Kodak.

      • PurchaseAnxiety on 04/01/2022 - 14:11
        +1

        Wow the leaf is crazy expensive for what it is. For some reason I've always had it in my head as a ~$35-40k car and thought it was a decent option at that price range, but just saw that the actual price is $53-65k.

        • Dogsrule on 06/01/2022 - 22:58

          Yeah its a joke EV. Not even actively cooled, the batteries die very quickly.

    • tomoliveri on 02/01/2022 - 15:11

      The range on that thing makes it virtually unusable.

      • dcep on 02/01/2022 - 16:47

        320km not enough ?

        • buckster on 03/01/2022 - 08:48

          For some people's commutes, definitely

    • payless69 on 03/01/2022 - 13:14

      MG Marvel R: sorry not in line for what JC calles "Shittsville"!!

  • chuq on 31/12/2021 - 12:30
    +5

    The Ioniq 5 is a great car but …
    - Poor availability, as mentioned above there are few coming in to Australia and they sell out quickly
    - They are only selling their higher end longer range version in Australia at the moment, which starts at $77k. Might not be an issue if you're comparing to the Model 3 long range ($75k) but you're not going to find better bang for buck than the Model 3 entry level version ($62k)

    Also the Model 3 is a sedan whereas Ioniq 5 is a hatch. The Ioniq 5 is often most compared to the Model Y, but we aren't going to see that in Australia for 6-12 months.

    • MrThing on 01/01/2022 - 21:51
      -3
      • Poor availability

      pro tip; tesla's availability is also terrible

      • H_J on 02/01/2022 - 07:31

        I received my car Nov 2021, only waited 1 month. Which makes it the quickest way to get a new car in OZ.

      • Meovel on 02/01/2022 - 17:26
        +1

        I received 3 days after order, they match unsettled vehicles to future orders, most of my friends gets way before the estimation.

        • kaleidoscope on 04/01/2022 - 08:50

          they match unsettled vehicles to future orders, most of my friends gets way before the estimation.

          this tells me a different story that people back off from their orders for whatever reason.

          • Euphemistic on 04/01/2022 - 09:02

            @kaleidoscope: There’s plenty of reasons. Some of which include not wanting the vehicle because of problems with the vehicle. I’d imagine lots are more like change of mind or hands of financial situation. Probably plenty of people putting in orders for several vehicles and getting the first one that is delivered.

          • Meovel on 04/01/2022 - 12:45

            @kaleidoscope: It was only a $100 deposit for placing an order, many do that to reserve a vehicle/prevent price raising.

            • kaleidoscope on 04/01/2022 - 13:03

              @Meovel: hmm didnt know it was that low deposit for a tesla :-)

      • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2022 - 02:16

        Their non model 3 availability seems terrible but there seems to be more excess model 3’s than most other cars.

        But yes, the Ioniq 5 really sits between the model Y and X. The Model 3 is the out of favour sedan style while the Ioniq 5 is an SUV. It’s like comparing a Mazda CX-5 to a Toyota Corolla.

      • chuq on 04/01/2022 - 23:06

        Have you tried to order either?

      • Dogsrule on 06/01/2022 - 22:59

        What? You can go to the Tesla website and order a Model 3 right now, and it will be here in 4-5 months:

        https://www.tesla.com/en_au/model3/design#overview

    • Dogsrule on 06/01/2022 - 23:08
      +1

      The Ioniq LR is not really comparable to the M3 LR if you care about range. Bjorn Nyland did his now famous range test and found it gets 133km less range than the M3 LR:

      https://youtu.be/_k0gHbMJqDw?t=704

      https://youtu.be/xb7oyOiB4P0?t=674

      289km vs 422km @ 120km/h.

    • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 13:40
      -3

      Why would you pick a Polestar? It's based on an Ice car, so it's too heavy and has a transmission tunnel, it's small inside, it has shitty range despite their misleading advertisements, and the base model is front wheel drive. The only thing I like about it is the operating system.

      • plmko on 31/12/2021 - 14:13

        Front wheel drive won't change much in typical EV scenarios. If anything it's an advantage.

        • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 14:24

          It's absolutely not an advantage. It just give your torque steer and shit handling.

          • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 14:36
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: I imagine your typical EV owner doesnt know what that is nor does he care.

            Further I would beleive electronics would smooth all that out.

              • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 16:02
                +5

                @pegaxs: One of Teslas biggest problems… one of many… is that they always need a 'talking point'.

                They need a pile of bullshit gimmicks to get their cars into the internet meme zeitgeist (if you dont know that is gfy)…. they need Plaid, they need a steering wheel from Knight Rider, they need Falcon doors, they need a $10,000 self drive shit that is just an enrolment of your safety into their beta drive program. Lets put a damn screen in the center but we dont know what a HUD is….

                They need to make a car with 1,000hp that does quarter miles in 8 secs and does 155mph terminal velocity but they dont give you the brakes to suit.

                I'm of the opposite as far as aesthetics goes… I think just about every EV other the that's not Tesla is an ugly George Jetson thing.

                Teslas actually are conservative looking cars that I could live with on a pure day to day. It makes sense. Tesla poached designers from Jaguar, Mazda etc.

                There's no fycken way I could live with any Asian EV.

                And tbf to Tesla, 3rd party testing shows they do hit their range figures. Sad that no one else seems to.

              • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 17:41
                -1

                @pegaxs: Yes, I'm sure the most accepted performance metric for all cars, (0-60mph/100kmh) is now suddenly bullshit.

                I'm not sure you understand much about open diffs if you think they are able to engineer torque steer out. The Ioniq 5 has many positive attributes, but handling and suspension set up are not two positive elements of this car. In front wheel drive form it's even worse. And since when is Hyundai a premium brand?

                  • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 21:26

                    @pegaxs: If it's your job to understand open diffs, and you think that any efforts to remove torque steer have actually worked properly, might is suggets another career?

                    I'd say Polestar is premium, but it's a flawed car and obviously inferior to the Model 3. The only reason someone would buy one is out of resentment and spite, something you seem to be full of.

                    And since when have the brakes on the Model S been insufficient? It's a road car. If you're talking about the Plaid, it brakes in the same distance from 100kmh as the Porsche Taycan Turbo S. Are the brakes on the Porsche inadequate too? If you want to take the car to the track, you can option the carbon ceramics (just like the Taycan).

                    • ass3ts on 02/01/2022 - 19:32

                      @[Deactivated]: Coming from three Model S Tesla P's with Ludicrous+, I'd have to disagree with you on a few things. Anyway, Model 3 Performance doesn't quite cut it for me, doesn't have the same G force and strangely it understeers more despite the lighter weight. I'm not sure about the base rear-wheel drive Model 3.

                      • [Deactivated] on 02/01/2022 - 21:18

                        @ass3ts: You're disagreeing with me on a few things but naming none of them. Interesting.

  • Muzeeb on 31/12/2021 - 13:02

    Where is the Renault guy when you need him most?

    • BOGOF on 31/12/2021 - 13:05
      +22

      Out of reception waiting for the tow truck.

    • pegaxs on 31/12/2021 - 13:08
      +4

      Peugeot guy… it's most definitely "Peugeot" guy…

      That's what the world needs, is a vehicle manufacturer known for electrical issues to be making cars that… well, rely in electricity.

      • Muzeeb on 31/12/2021 - 13:23

        Putain!! Getting my French automobile manufacturers mixed up. Peugeot guy - that's the one.

        • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 14:16
          +2

          at least renault have nissan to fall back on

          peugeot is a stellantis mess which the basket case of world motoring:

          Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram and Vauxhall

          • greatlamp on 03/01/2022 - 08:05

            @tonyjzx: But group them all together and you have a AAA rated automotive company. Just like an ETF.

            I think that's how it works…

          • payless69 on 03/01/2022 - 13:01

            @tonyjzx: The Ram is the only one still popular in the US. Not everybody will buy the Hummer even Mary got thanked for already having electrifeid the US.

    • Tricon on 31/12/2021 - 18:40
      +1

      Catching the bus because it is a better alternative to driving :-)

      https://jalopnik.com/french-car-ads-will-carry-surgeon-gener…

  • resubaehtgnolhcs on 31/12/2021 - 13:06

    Mach-E

    • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 13:38

      Unavailable.

  • Ryanek on 31/12/2021 - 13:09
    +12

    I dunno man, Musk is a bit of a douche

    • pegaxs on 31/12/2021 - 14:42
      +4

      a "bit" ?? Understatement of the century. He is literally the Steve Jobs of cars.

    • chuq on 31/12/2021 - 15:56
      +1

      What about all the other automotive CEOs? The general population probably doesn't know who they are, and that's the way they like it.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 02/01/2022 - 13:30
      +1

      Why?

    • DvApps on 02/01/2022 - 22:34

      Lol any specific reason?

    • Frozensage on 03/01/2022 - 09:47
      +1

      A douche for revolutionising Online payment, space, ev and solar industry all at the same time, whilst making billions trolling the media and the share market, and knowing all the science behind his products inside out more than the engineers working for him? Sure I guess We need more douchebags in this world!

      • Arigato on 05/01/2022 - 12:03

        I like Musk for his personality and great business achievements, but I'm not that convinced of his technical ability. Check out thunderf00t on YouTube

        • nicolascage on 05/01/2022 - 21:09

          Musk sceptics are silly. Most of them whinge about an issue most companies make, yet aren't able to establish a uniform vision that makes others envious enough to follow. Can't please everyone even if you have good intentions what a joke people are sometimes.

  • Euphemistic on 31/12/2021 - 13:23
    +4

    Buy the one you like the feel/look/vibe of. If you become a Tesla owner you’ll become a Tesla owner. If you buy the Hyundai, you are a car owner.

    • 87percent on 31/12/2021 - 13:29
      +14

      And the Tesla owner will tell everyone about it

      “How was your Christmas break?”
      “Bought a Tesla”

      “Hi Sir, how are you?”
      “Good thanks because I have a Tesla”

      • techno2000 on 31/12/2021 - 13:45

        Just like an Iphone.
        You dont buy a mobile phone like all the androids.You buy a "Iphone"

        • plmko on 31/12/2021 - 14:11
          +1

          If you're the type that goes out to the meat market you'll need a iPhone. You'll get judged when you ask for contact deets.

      • OZBargainer in SA on 01/01/2022 - 11:46
        +1

        And many will get customised number plates that will tell you why their car is soooo cool.

  • rektrading on 31/12/2021 - 13:35

    Can someone please name this person?

    https://ibb.co/S6bp95d

    • Muzeeb on 31/12/2021 - 13:40
      +2

      Hyundai Motor CEO Chang Jae-hoon

      What about him? My neighbours sister knows him.

      • RatBargain on 01/01/2022 - 18:00

        Impressive, most impressive

  • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 13:36
    +9

    The Tesla SR+ has way better performance, slightly better range, handles better, has better infotainment and software/hardware integration, has a supercharger network, and is $17k cheaper with incentives. If you get the same priced Tesla LR, you get even better performance (0-100 in 4.2) a huge range advantage, faster charging (despite Hyundai's bullshit claims about 350kw charging- not possible), and all of the above. For me its an easy decision. If the Hyundai came in at 60k, with comparable performance (0-100 in 5ish) then it might be an option (personally wouldn't choose it for software/hardware integration and looks, but that's subjective).

    Its just way too expensive at 77k for the specs.

    • verio on 31/12/2021 - 13:52
      +9

      Hyundai has Carplay / Android Auto whereas Tesla does not. I think it is a plus for Hyundai actually.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 13:56

        Having had both, I'd say Tesla OS is generally superior to carplay/Android auto.

        • verio on 31/12/2021 - 14:08
          +3

          That's your experience. Does not mean that it is a plus that Tesla does not offer Carplay/AA. There is no downside in offering an alternative like Hyundai and other car manufacturers do.

          • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 16:08
            -2

            @verio: Well there is, the licensing costs are passed onto the consumer. Why do you think there is a 17k price difference despite inferior mechanical packaging?

            • verio on 31/12/2021 - 19:38
              +8

              @[Deactivated]: There is no licensing cost for Carplay/AA. Any other arguments or it is a religious aspect for you?

        • Nalar on 31/12/2021 - 15:09
          +1

          Does Tesla OS have Waze?

          • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 17:42
            -2

            @Nalar: No, but it uses the same google traffic data on it's maps. V11 operating system has just opened up the possibility of user installed apps, so it's likely coming. You used to be able to access waze through the web browser, but ADR meant that the browser is not available while moving.

            • Nalar on 01/01/2022 - 21:04

              @[Deactivated]: Even with the traffic data share, Waze is the superior navigator. Can't imagine Tesla OS as a platform when there's still more money to be squeezed with subscriptions and add ons.

              • nomadspartan on 04/01/2022 - 14:43

                @Nalar: There's pros and cons on using Waze/Google Maps vs Tesla Maps (which I think is based on GMaps anyway). For longer drives, Tesla Maps is probably better due to automatic routing via superchargers. For everyday, shorter drives, Gmaps/Waze is probably better due to traffic updates/speed camera updates that make a difference when driving in a city/suburban environment.

    • Euphemistic on 31/12/2021 - 15:22
      +4

      Tesla SR+ has way better performance

      I can’t imagine it having more that a bit better performance and the difference is unlikely to be of any use in the real world, except in the local pissing contest when trying to impress fandoms on the internet.

      • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 16:07
        +3

        It's not something you imagine or have an opinion on. It's facts, numbers, non debatables.

        0-100kmh in 7.4 seconds is a slow car these days.

        These Model 3 SR+ does it in 5.6 officially, but it actually has the performance motor in the LFP battery and its more like 4.9.

        • Euphemistic on 31/12/2021 - 16:14
          +5

          0-100kmh in 7.4 seconds is a slow car these days.

          What a load of twaddle. It’s only slow in poser land and has no use (or place) in normal road traffic.

          I’ve said it before, my slow old diesel ute is plenty fast enough in regular traffic.

          • [Deactivated] on 31/12/2021 - 16:42
            -7

            @Euphemistic: Those who know, know.

          • RatBargain on 01/01/2022 - 18:03

            @Euphemistic: You're not the target demographic

          • t0by on 02/01/2022 - 18:29
            +2

            @Euphemistic: Your argument is like saying one only needs a bluetooth speaker (cause you own one) to listen to music and everything else in hifi that is more expensive is a waste.

            And you haven’t even tried the better hifi.

            • Euphemistic on 02/01/2022 - 19:06
              -2

              @t0by: And your argument is now like saying I have to have expensive hifi even though I only listen to music when I’m jogging or cleaning, never seated perfectly between the expensive speakers in a dedicated lounge.

              My point is that many people don’t need ‘the fastest car’ because they only ever drive in commuter traffic. Having a car that is ‘almost as quick’ is even wastes on them.

              Complaining that a car is ‘too slow’ because it’s 1% slower is just ridiculous.

              • t0by on 02/01/2022 - 19:18

                @Euphemistic: No, my argument is why are you talking about Tesla performance and throwing out 1% figures and your opinion when you never driven one?

                • Euphemistic on 02/01/2022 - 20:28

                  @t0by: Further back someone said the Tesla has way better performance alluding to a better 0-100 time. A car is more than just its 0-100 time, especially when in normal traffic a 0-100 time of 10s is still quick.

                  It’s the internet. You are supposed to argue.

                  • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 12:11

                    @Euphemistic: 0-100 in 10 seconds is not quick in any circumstances. You're deluded.

                    • Euphemistic on 05/01/2022 - 17:20

                      @[Deactivated]: It’s quick enough in normal commuter traffic. Try reading in context

                      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 17:29
                        -1

                        @Euphemistic: Try reading. Not quick in any circumstances. Step out of 1955 grandpa.

        • Arigato on 05/01/2022 - 12:10

          Hey, MIC SR+ with LFP battery owner here. Mine is definitely not 4.9 0-100. Where did you get this idea?

          • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 12:10

            @Arigato: Timing mine on a 100% charge.

            • Arigato on 05/01/2022 - 12:11

              @[Deactivated]: Method?

              • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 12:12

                @Arigato: Mash it with warm tyres on a good surface. Can't brake boost anyway. You can turn off the TC with slip start (or turn it right off if you're game).

                • Arigato on 05/01/2022 - 12:13

                  @[Deactivated]: How are you timing it?

                  • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2022 - 12:14

                    @Arigato: Just phone app, no real timing gear. Seems accurate enough. That being said, the real performance of a Model 3 SR+ isn't 0-100, it's 60-120kmh. It's artificially hobbled below 60kmh. Esp if you have the performance motor (some LFP came with the 980 motor).

                    • Arigato on 05/01/2022 - 12:15

                      @[Deactivated]: How can you check which motor you have?. Edit: all good found a guide. Thanks

      • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 16:08
        +1

        heres the problem with that line of thinking…

        the market has shown that if you want to sell a car, then a legitimate way of selling it is to make it a quasi performance car

        it doesnt have to be a 'real' performance car… look at BMW M-Sport or Audi S-line or whatever

        even old farts like my dad wants to believe they're driving a 'sporty' model over something that plainly isnt

        so Tesla were smart enough to give the impression their cars are fast and sporty, when they maybe not

        so everyone else is trying to sell an EV as an EV only and they're wondering why they're fycking up?

        you can sell a dull car to dull people

        or you can sell a dull car in a pretty dress and you're going to expand your potential market, to dull people and to people who want to pretend they're driving a sporty car

        its a trick as old as time… look at the Falcon S-pack and Falcon XR6 n/a…

        • Euphemistic on 31/12/2021 - 16:30

          the market has shown that if you want to sell a car, then a legitimate way of selling it is to make it a quasi performance car

          Yup. The marketing people love those that get suckered in to ‘have to have’ performance that is completely unnecessary.

          The vast majority of drivers would be happy with 20yo corolla performance and features (phone connectivity aside). They’ve just been spun a line to make them think that all the extras are really ‘essential’

          • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 16:38

            @Euphemistic: thats capitalism and marketing

            i have no issue with it, this is the economic system we're born to

            the alternative is to drive a Lada Niva in white or grey

            men and woman want to pretend they're young teens in their dad's sport cars when they're really middle aged office drones in a Camry Sportivo

            • Euphemistic on 31/12/2021 - 16:45
              +2

              @tonyjzx: I don’t have an issue with it per se, but when suckers get carried away with X is 0.5% faster than Y so you have to get X it gets ridiculous. Particularly ridiculous when you consider that using more than half the available power gets you above the speed limit too fast anyway.

              • lunchbox99 on 31/12/2021 - 17:01
                +2

                @Euphemistic: Exactly. If you followed their logic there would only be one car sold - the absolute fastest - because clearly customers don't value ANYTHING else /s

                • tonyjzx on 31/12/2021 - 18:00
                  +2

                  @lunchbox99: I dont beleive that at all. There's always going to be halo cars like the Plaid.

                  As a performance enthusiast I think these numbers matter to me.

                  I personally dont care about the 4.7 secs 0-100 in the LR… because I dont see the utility in paying the cost difference.

                  However I do care if I'm buying an EV and it lags down to 7.5 or worse etc.

                  If you dont care about performance then buy a car that does in greater than 10 secs.

                  Also it seems that for some people its an issue when Tesla makes a car that does 0-100 in 5 secs and gets up to the speed limit "so fast".

                  And yet they're strangely silent about AMG or BMW M or Falcodore V8s or Hyundai N… I wonder??? Hmmm… why?

                  • lunchbox99 on 31/12/2021 - 18:32
                    +1

                    @tonyjzx: So you either buy the fastest car available or you must buy one that does 10s+. Genius logic.

                    The ionic is a 100kw car. It's not designed to be a performance vehicle. Why is this so hard to understand. Do you also wonder why the Corolla is the top selling car in the world despite not being a performance vehicle?

                    I'm not saying OP should get an ionic over a Tesla but it's moronic to think Tesla is the only car anyone should buy if they want an EV.

        • snooksy on 01/01/2022 - 12:24

          I think this is why people buy civic’s I think they are the ugliest car on the roads but I think some people buy them for their sporty looks.

      • t0by on 02/01/2022 - 18:27
        +1

        Have you driven one?

        Having that extra performance makes a huge difference in overtaking safely and generally when merging.

        • RatBargain on 02/01/2022 - 20:05
          +1

          Yep exactly, especially merging into traffic, onramps or taking off at round abouts. Plenty of fools think better to go slow and steady 60-80 into 100-110km. Had a good fang of a model 3 performance, mostly under the speed limit through afternoon traffic. The instant power, control and confidence that you can get point the car and place it anywhere you need to in traffic is so good. Can't wait till EV become more affordable

    • flametornado on 03/01/2022 - 07:23

      You're comparing nedc with wltp range. Yeh Sr+ has about 350-400km real world range, LR has about 500, ioniq 5 is about 450.

      I'd say use trslabjorn's range and efficiecy spreadsheet if you want a fair comparison.

      Ioniq5 is 72k for rwd, 78k for awd.

      Performance wise, they're app perfectly adequate for normal driving.

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