Tenant or Landlord Responsibility to Replace Light Globes? (27 Globes)

xarudo on 16/02/2022 - 23:12
Last edited 18/02/2022 - 08:35 by 1 other user

Hi all,

I recently posted here about being unable to secure a rental, and after some helpful advice (and getting onto my current and previous property managers to complete the reference check..), I successfully secured the next rental I applied for. On to today's problem after securing the property, though:

When I attended the open for inspection, the power at the property had already been disconnected, so I thought nothing of viewing the home with only the sun through the windows to provide light. Applied, got accepted, paid deposit and bond, etc etc.

Today, I picked up the keys and went to the home directly after to do the condition report and found… 25 of the lights inside the home, and 2 outside either have no globe, or have a dead globe (about 50/50 split).

For example, one of the living areas has 2 downlights out of 6 working. The other living area has 7 blown globes. The second bathroom only has working heat lamps, the normal bulb is missing. The globes from the light fittings in the laundry are all missing. The master bedroom has no working lights with a fitting type in a ceiling fan I've never seen before, and of course the globe is missing so I can't even take it into a lighting store for help.

There are at least 4 different globe types required to replace all of the broken/missing globes, some quite high up in vaulted ceilings. I noted this in the condition report and mentioned it to the property manager when I dropped it off, and was mostly brushed off and told to lodge a maintenance request via e-mail.

Just wondering if I'm meant to replace all these blown and missing lights myself as I accepted the property in its current condition when signing the lease, or was it reasonable to expect working lights throughout?

Update: I haven't heard back from Property Manager yet, but sent a follow up email requesting this be rectified before we move in this coming Sunday. Otherwise, my family will experience a very dark few days.

2nd Update: Well, I just got official word back. I've been asked to replace any blown/missing standard globes or heat globes myself.

They will only organise somebody to come out for the downlights. I'm less than impressed and I'm so glad this is going to be my last rental lease.

(also, for those asking, this is VIC)

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Comments

              • fprjet on 18/02/2022 - 12:17

                @Quantumcat: I made a statement where did I mention the op? Me thinks you maybe a Troll , a bot or just don't comprehend.

                My statement…."If it was working when you went in replace the bloody thing, if not Landlord needs to keep the place up to scratch."

                • Quantumcat on 18/02/2022 - 19:51

                  @fprjet:

                  I made a statement where did I mention the op?

                  Right here:

                  If it was working when you went in replace the bloody thing

                  • fprjet on 21/02/2022 - 09:19
                    -1

                    @Quantumcat: Again where did I mention the op? "you" is generic if I was mentioning the op, I would have said the op should as I always say when the reply directly to the op…. Hope that clears it up……

  • Some Guy on 17/02/2022 - 10:31
    +2

    I live in a four bedroom house and have only 25 lights in the whole house, including the outside ones and nine downlights in the kitchen.

    It's absurd to have so many lights not working in your situation and to expect you to stump up a couple of hundred $ to replace them is equally absurd. Replacing a few during the duration of your tenancy would be reasonable.

    If the agent/landlord won't remedy, buy candles and oil lamps.

  • Pufff on 17/02/2022 - 10:50
    +1

    This place has a lot of lights

    • Minimum chips on 18/02/2022 - 12:00
      +1

      It’s a Ferris wheel. Rentals in VIC are just a total circus.

  • dogboy on 17/02/2022 - 10:57

    I think it is faily obvious crackheads lived in the place prior to you and used the globes to smoke ice. Not sure what other damage crackheads usually cause to a place but I would be looking into it and checking that out too.

  • trapper on 17/02/2022 - 12:32
    +7

    It is on the tenant to replace bulbs that die during the rental period.

    They should all be in working order when you move in though, so document it all and lodge the maintenance request.

    • Pratty on 19/02/2022 - 08:22

      Excluding downlights. Only replaceable bulbs.

  • Bren20 on 17/02/2022 - 13:40

    Ilf you're in Vic and assuming youve got a lot of older style globes you can probably get someone to come out and change the bulbs for free.

    Call a provider near you, see list at the below website
    https://www.victorianenergysaver.vic.gov.au/save-energy-and-…

    • Bren20 on 17/02/2022 - 16:59
      -4

      why the neg?

    • OzzyOzbourne on 18/02/2022 - 20:45
      -1

      They usually want to take the old bulbs as evidence they changed them.

  • dirtybigbjelke on 17/02/2022 - 13:54
    +6

    When I was a tenant I swapped all globes for LED or CFL and then on vacating used 50c standard globes to replace and kept all my "Good" globes for re-use.

    • ddhar on 17/02/2022 - 18:57
      +3

      Found the previous tenant.

  • Scrooge McGoose on 17/02/2022 - 14:25
    +1

    The previous tenant probably replaced the good light bulbs with bad ones when leaving. Some people are like that, they'll wont even leave half a roll of toilet paper on the holder for the next people.

    • bio on 18/02/2022 - 13:11
      +3

      Maybe the previous tenant had to replace ~27 bulbs when they first moved in as well. I can't blame them if that was the case.

  • JimB on 17/02/2022 - 14:35
    +6

    As a landlord, I say get the landlord to replace it.

    That's unacceptable.

  • LSGH on 17/02/2022 - 14:48

    As a tenant a few years ago, I didnt mind 3-4 bulbs going out within the first 10 months, gladly replaced them myself…but 27?!?!? no way

  • Tzeeman on 17/02/2022 - 14:58

    Could there be an electrical issue if that many bulbs were found to be blown?

    • xarudo on 17/02/2022 - 15:02

      Potentially, but there were also about 12 globes that weren't even there.

      No globes in the laundry, 2nd bathroom or master bedroom.

    • kongkurr on 17/02/2022 - 18:21

      High grid voltage, generally caused by nearby solar panels, and globes only rated to 240V can often cause excessive failures. Hard to imagine so many being removed however.

      OP, be aware that the downlights not working have the potential to have driver failures, so changing globes may not fix the issue. Ensure landlord replaces.

  • [Deactivated] on 17/02/2022 - 15:01
    +3

    All fixtures and appliances are to be in working order.

  • deneb on 17/02/2022 - 15:14
    +2

    Normally tenant, but the agent should've really checked upon previous tenant's exit and requested replacement or deducted bond.
    I wouldn't pay as the tenant, and i would be pissed as the landlord. it's another case of incompetent agent.
    Watch the agent dodge your calls until you are forced to replace them yourself then try to spin it off.

    • Nugs on 17/02/2022 - 15:26
      +4

      or double dipping; charge previous from bond but don't replace hoping new tenant just replaces them?
      .

  • derpdeder on 17/02/2022 - 15:15
    +3

    Note them on the entry condition report. Buy the bulbs and use them while you use the property, and then take them when you leave. Landlord should replace\provide any specialist globes though.

    Your responsibility is to return the property in the same condition you received it in.

    • bio on 18/02/2022 - 13:12
      +1

      then take them when you leave

      What are you going to do with 27 bulbs? It's still sunken cost.

      • meatgasm on 20/02/2022 - 16:34

        Use it on the next Dodgy Rental with no Bulbs, Obviously.

  • katykat on 17/02/2022 - 15:50

    That's… weird. How do so many globes get blown and who removed the one's that aren't there? I vote advise the landlord and it's the landlord's responsibility, mostly because the house has to be in reasonable and livable condition when you take tenacy and having no lights is not livable or reasonable.

    I wonder if someone has dropped the ball majorly when the previous tenant moved out? Because in every lease I've ever had it was a written condition that when we left and final handover was done, that all lights needed to be in working order and globes replaced if necessary. In our last rental there were some high led downlights that had blown that we couldn't reach and we negotiated with the owner to let them be. We were lucky the owner planned to renovate and repaint and would be getting someone on a ladder eventually who could do it. The point being, I thought it was normal for rental properties to come with working lights?

  • pandadude on 17/02/2022 - 16:14
    +1

    Note in the condition report and request the landlord / agent to replace the blubs.

    This is the whole point of a condition report.

    If you have signed off on the condition report and didn't note this when your up to replace all the blubs.

    Note if the fixture it self doesn't work this becomes the landland cost again.

  • dcash on 17/02/2022 - 16:53
    +1

    They should all be working when you move in (landlord's responsibility), and should all be working when you move out (your responsibility).

  • tunzafun001 on 17/02/2022 - 17:30
    +3

    Im a landlord.

    Almost every time a tenant moves out they either take all the globes, or replace my LEDs with cheap and often blown halogens. Seems exactly what you are experiencing.

    Every time its MY responsibility to replace them

    So here's what I do. Call YESS (or whoever the energy scheme supplier is in your state) and they replace up to 42 globes with LEDs for free.

    Then that tenant takes off with them, and the cycle repeats.

    • mdavant on 17/02/2022 - 17:55
      +3

      And someone else pays for them.

      The usual response of a landlord.

      • tunzafun001 on 17/02/2022 - 18:43
        -1

        Wow…Sorry for being a Landlord! I'm on $80k per year and my parents own nothing. Got where i am by working smarter.

        Anyone can access these programs.

        FYI - Landlords and tenants can get on.

        • Vote for Pedro on 17/02/2022 - 19:20

          To be frank, as a landlord, you should take care of it. While an interesting method of deflecting the cost to someone else, but if they keep doing it then well, who can blame you

          • hothed on 17/02/2022 - 21:02
            +1

            @Vote for Pedro: If the tenat steals the light globes, the tenant should be paying to rectify. Like for like, before they moved in.
            Light globes are a consumable and if the tenant consumes them, they are to be replaced.

        • mdavant on 17/02/2022 - 19:54
          +1

          My problem is the pseudo-rorting of a program which is not designed to absolve realestate agents and landlords of the responsibility of doing a competent exit inspection.

          Someone pays for the bulbs and service. Others.

          • tunzafun001 on 19/02/2022 - 12:06

            @mdavant: On rourting of tax payer funds. Just driving home and the political corflute signs bloody every where. Now there is an environmental disaster and rorting of funds if there ever was one (ie political sponsorship for tax breaks). Gerry Harvey would be pumping millions $$ into these. Need to ban this stuff asap.

            • mdavant on 19/02/2022 - 17:58

              @tunzafun001: Don't disagree.

              But it doesn't deter from the fact that the poster is rotting a scheme.

              But sure, scrap corporate rubbish, middle class welfare and small business loopholes (eg tax deductions for vehicles )

              Then I can pay less tax to subsidise the lifestyles of others.

        • parsimonious one on 17/02/2022 - 20:47
          +1

          Wow, that is obnoxious

          Intentionally misusing a scheme set up in good faith. (And to dodge a tax deductible expense no less!)

          With people like you, it’s no wonder we can’t have nice things

          • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 01:31
            -1

            @parsimonious one: The scheme exists to replace old energy hungry globes with efficient LEDs. In no way is it being "misused".

            Humans (other than me) use these globes (now with a smaller carbon footprint) as per the schemes intention. Im not on selling them for profit! The scheme is open to anyone to try and reduce energy use.

            My point is the ops landlord has no excuse not to have globes. In fairness, this scenario sounds entirely like a shit agent. I have had one good agent and 8 shockers.

            Op - tell the agent to get their shit together and fix it. They alone have failed you. The landlord pays them a ridiculous high amount for this crap not too happen. It is their failing. As they said "just submit a maintenance request" ..or in other words, do their job.

            Anyway, similar schemes also exist for FREE heat pump HWS, and subsidised solar and RC air conditioning. Both tenants or Landlords can apply. So op, check it out.
            I upgrade my tenants with this stuff whenever it comes out. No rorting, just using the program for its intention.

            I bust my balls to maintain my places and rebuilt the thing by hand twice from tenant vandalism (one of my old posts on here showing insurance traps).

            Parsimonious - if thinking 'people like me' are responsible for your short comings helps you sleep at night…go nuts.

            P.S. Any prospective tenants out there thinking of taking all the globes with them, or just putting dead ones back when you leave and disconnect the power. Dont do this. Its just a PITA for the next tenant who is in exactly the same position as yourself.

            • Vote for Pedro on 18/02/2022 - 12:41

              @tunzafun001:

              P.S. Any prospective tenants out there thinking of taking all the globes with them, or just putting dead ones back when you leave and disconnect the power. Dont do this. Its just a PITA for the next tenant who is in exactly the same position as yourself.

              Disconnecting power is something you have to do or you get billed for supply and usage until connection by new resident.

              Taking lightbulbs is a dick move, but thats what a bond is for. Seems like the agent hasn’t done an end of lease inspection properly.

            • parsimonious one on 21/02/2022 - 08:18

              @tunzafun001: You said it yourself… scheme exists to "replace" old bulbs with new ones. Its not there to provide penny pinching landlords with an endless supply of free light bulbs

              You've claimed a bunch for your property, any thing more is rorting the system

              the fact you cant see that says plenty about you

              • tunzafun001 on 21/02/2022 - 12:33

                @parsimonious one: I hope it does. I'm happy I dont have to be constantly burdened by theft, while doing my bit to reduce others carbon footprint (none have ever been a aware of these initiatives) without a cost to me or them. Im sure each will use it again at future properties. The initative is open to tenants. No rorting whatsoever. Pretty sure this is Ozbargain and free globes are free globes. I didnt make the initative, i just make use of it.

                • parsimonious one on 21/02/2022 - 16:06

                  @tunzafun001: Yeah bro, rort those naive suckers! More for you bro.

                  If they are willing to give ‘em to you, it’s really their fault if they are exploited, amirite?

                  • tunzafun001 on 21/02/2022 - 17:20

                    @parsimonious one: Again, you aren't really 'rorting' something when it's 100% allowed.

                    I just take up the deals as they come past…again….this is Ozbargain.

                    Guess you donate an extra 10% in income tax on top of your nominal tax rate?

                    Probably give the servo an extra 20c per litre for their fuel?

                    Anything less would be a rort I'm guessing.

                    Good banter though. I have never negged you, so flame away. Sorry Op for wasting posts in your thread. Hope you get to make use of the program.

                    • parsimonious one on 21/02/2022 - 18:42

                      @tunzafun001: Yeah cuz, rock up to a food van that gives free food to people on the street and get your fill, it’s there to feed hungry ppl and you’re hungry right?

                      Ps I haven’t negged u either

    • ddhar on 17/02/2022 - 19:30
      +7

      Can't you claim this against their bond?

    • Tleyx on 18/02/2022 - 11:12
      +1

      As a LL you should be doing your exit inspection and ensuring the last tenant leaves the bulbs as per entry report

    • dogboy on 18/02/2022 - 11:22

      Where are you renting your house that people keep stealing all the globes? I have been in the rental market for over 20 years and have never heard of this happening. The only time I have seen this is a house of crack heads where they have used all the globes to smoke ice.

      • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 11:40

        Yeah, low socio-economic area. 3 bedroom house rents for $150 per week.

        I figure if they are stealing or swapping out globes, then they probably are severely struggling and I just get them replaced.

    • xarudo on 18/02/2022 - 11:46

      I did call an LED replacement company, they advised they cannot help where the globes are missing (about 12 lights in this case). :(

      • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 11:48

        Hi. I tried to send you a PM. But you have this disabled. Drop me a message and ill help you out.

        • xarudo on 18/02/2022 - 11:55

          oops - didn't even realise we can PM on ozbargain. Sent you a message and updated my settings

    • yokel on 18/02/2022 - 16:15

      Get a better property manager dude

      • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 21:08

        2 got fired, took 1 to court and my most recent one (half descent) quit last week. If you find a good one, hang on to them.

    • sarahlump on 20/02/2022 - 19:46

      I dont understand how the landlord didnt know beforehand there were 27 missing globes. They didn't then replace them BEFORE listing the house on the market. its just disgusting used car salesperson stuff.

  • gromit on 17/02/2022 - 17:57
    +2

    was expecting some entitled post about how you don't think it fair to replace globes that blow while you are the tenant. however this is just ridiculous, you are entitled to everything in working order when you move in unless otherwise specified. would absolutely be getting agent/landlord to rectify.

  • macfudge on 17/02/2022 - 19:12
    +2

    I would be concerned that there is something wrong with the electrics in the house. 27 bulbs is a lot to be broken at the same time. Be careful if the landlord replaces them and after a couple of weeks they start blowing again, you will be responsible for replacing them. I would recommend trying to find out a bit of the history of the house and understand if there is a bigger issue at play here. At the very least I would put your concerns about the electrics down in writing before you move in so at least you have something to use in case of major ongoing issues. Good luck!

  • berry580 on 17/02/2022 - 19:16
    +3

    Should be as per contract.

    My understanding of the norm would be that EVERYTHING is working at the start of the lease. From then on, bulb replacement should be tenant, unless replacement requires electrician

  • Vote for Pedro on 17/02/2022 - 19:19
    -1

    Lightbulbs (ones that are user maintainable) on commencement are landlord responsibility. Throughout and at end, tenants.

    However, given the power imbalance it’s probably best to just bend over and cop it sweet or risk being booted at end of lease and having difficulty securing a new property.

  • 91rs on 17/02/2022 - 19:29

    Lodge the maintenance report, have someone come replace and test them all to be working.
    If you do it and things still don't work you could risk the RE or LL saying you've contributed to the failure of something and try put blame on you.
    Seen this with older fragile light fittings that had become brittle due to the heat from the lights over decades, tried to blame me for this and wanted me to pay for the repair.

  • stealthpaw on 17/02/2022 - 19:58
    +3

    Legally, you are responsible to replace them, but you are also only required to return the property to the state in which you found it - so you could keep the dead globes (recording which one was where with photo evidence), put them in a box somewhere and keep them until you move out / get a different residence and then replace your good lights with the blown ones it came with and remove/keep the ones which were empty.

    This is only a statement about legality though - ethically / civilly this is an absolutely dick move by the landlord and you should probably just ask them/your agency to replace them before you submit the condition report.

  • Oz em on 17/02/2022 - 22:14

    It’s the real estates job to organise someone to change them.
    It would be a liability if you were to fall off a ladder doing it.
    My friend owns a realestate franchise.

  • nightfever on 17/02/2022 - 23:09

    What kinda bulbs are they… I wonder if it’s eligible for free LED light swap if they’re qualified globes… but dead 😅

    • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 01:40
      +1

      They would be. I mentioned it above, but the moral police feel that would be some sort of crime against humanity to give a tennant a house full of new LEDs.

  • jason101 on 17/02/2022 - 23:17

    In SA at least I know for sure it’s a landlord responsibility to maintain and replace light bulbs. I know this as I have a 1br rental property with around 4 light bulbs total in it, I’ve had 2 tenants over the course of about 20 years insist I come around and replace them each time one breaks. Last time I did it the tenant had the nerve to tell me they wanted cool white not warm white and I should come back with the correct (as selected by her) temperature bulb next time…I’m sure baby Jesus shed a tear for all landlords at that moment.

    Edit: Actually he shed zero tears for your jack a.. landlord.

    • tunzafun001 on 18/02/2022 - 01:37

      I experience exactly the same. Also found out the hard way gutter cleaning is in this list as well. Anyone who thinks being a landlord is a breeze has never been a landlord.

  • DeeTrance on 17/02/2022 - 23:44

    What state are you in?
    In Vic Landlords have supply certificates of electrical and gas compliance prior to renting out.

    No way to this house would have pass an electrical and safety check (includes smoke alarm testing and compliance).

    The property agent needs to obtain these compliance certificates from the Landlord or organise it for the Landlord.

  • Jake17 on 18/02/2022 - 05:26

    Reading some comments I had no idea places should be supplied with globes. Every unit I've moved in I've always had to buy them. Luckily it's only 4 or 5 max

  • redfox1200 on 18/02/2022 - 06:43

    Just send them another email when you move in that you tripped over and sprained your ankle because you could not see in the dark and will have to are thinking of taking the landlord to court

  • bobolo on 18/02/2022 - 08:43
    -1

    Legally its the landlords responsibility. If the tenant injures themselves/falls as a result of changing the lightbulb (after ignored maintenance request), the landlord could be liable for compensation

    With that said, its a grey area. Most lightbulbs are easier to just change yourself and cost is negligible. In the longterm you as a tenant may come out on top anyway because an easy tenant = less likely for rental increases in the eyes of most landlords.

    • xarudo on 18/02/2022 - 08:52
      +7

      I'm genuinely offended they thought it'd be ok to lease the property to me with 27 lights not working.

      On principle alone, I'm prepared to go to VCAT over this, knowing full well it's the start of the tenancy. This will be my last lease, and I'm tired of just taking it from property managers.

      • Hangryuman on 18/02/2022 - 10:43

        do it man - at least call them to ask likelihood of your success

        as both landlord and ex-real estate salesman, I know the 10% of $#itty property managers give a bad reputation to the 60% who are really trying to do the right thing.

        • redfox1200 on 18/02/2022 - 14:49

          what about the other 30%?

      • Herbse on 18/02/2022 - 14:54

        Dog act considering the costs are tax deductible and they're probably earning $100k a year in increased value from the property.

      • TailsK on 18/02/2022 - 16:08

        You should go. You could help set a precedence for future cases of a similar nature. :)

  • drillvoice on 18/02/2022 - 09:06
    +2

    If a light bulb blows during the tenancy, it's expected you would replace it.

    But when the tenancy begins, it should be in working order. If they aren't taking action, try contacting Tenants Victoria or Anika Legal.

  • TEER3X on 18/02/2022 - 09:17

    Probably already mentioned it's free to upgrade to led bulbs, they take your old ones, and taxpayers pay for it

    Plenty of companies do this, quick search on Google will yield results.

    F the moral police

  • tanguyen on 18/02/2022 - 09:18
    +1

    I don't have any other advice that hasn't been given in the threads and have read your second update.
    I'm pretty incensed you have to fix your globes up as well.
    As a landlord myself, I can't relate to the property manager/your landlord given how much rental income they pick up from you over your tenancy, but don't have the decency to offer you a reasonable standard of living moving in. It's bullpoopers that they're cheap.
    All the best amigo!

    • Hangryuman on 18/02/2022 - 10:40
      +2

      agreed - as a landlord of over 40 years including Qld, Vic, ACT and NSW, I'm personally offended at the idea that a new tenant would be expected to replace 27 light bulbs when they move in

      I'd be dumping that agent ASAP.

      • jpl on 18/02/2022 - 20:54

        Respect landlord like you!

        Unfortunately most of the time tenant don't have access to the landlord and landlord is masked from issues.

  • Hangryuman on 18/02/2022 - 10:38

    this Victorian tenant said with many faults the agent sent an electrician to fix - https://whrl.pl/RectEN

  • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 10:58
    -3

    This is interesting.

    Recently, I had to go and replace 2 rangehood globes for my tenant and I thought to myself "Just replace them yourself instead of wasting my time!" (I've had to go and do so many minor things that he could just do himself). Yet all my other tenants never ask for anything at all.

    I would understand if it's something that the tenant really can't do themselves, but this guy is a carpenter and I'm sure he can replace a lightglobe.

    I raised the rent on the one I had to go and replace the globes by double that of my other investments.

    • anzacpaul on 18/02/2022 - 11:23
      +1

      So you raised rent out of spite for a service you have to legally provide?

      • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 12:12
        +1

        Wrong. Where did you get that info?

        Tenants are responsible for changing light bulbs. Source: (https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/housing-and-property/rent…)

        "Tenants are responsible for minor maintenance including replacing light bulbs, cleaning windows, dusting, removing cobwebs and routine garden maintenance such as watering, mowing and weeding."

        So I have been put out and wasted time and money to go over and above what I am required to do. I don't work for free as I'm sure you don't.

        Anyhow it's still way under market and I have never raised the rent on them since they moved in 5 years ago.
        If I need to go down there to change rangehood globes, it takes time out of my day or I have to get a sparky to do it and they charge for their time too.

        I think it's pretty fair to raise the rent for the 1st time in 5 years and still be well under market.

        Tenants seem to have this illusion that investment properties don't cost anything for the landlord or that landlords just sit there and light cigars with $100 bills thanks to the measly rent tenants pay.

        I mean, I do, but most don't :P

        • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 13:31
          -4

          You are the kind of person who should be on a landlord blaclist, spiteful, petty and WRONG

          • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 15:36
            +1

            @Motek Benzona: How so? Please explain it to me.

            I've increased the rent once in 5 years and the rental figure is STILL under market.

            I'd say that you're an entitled tenant who should be blacklisted because you want everything for free and that is unfair.

            Do you believe that landlords should just wear all of the risk and costs and simply lose money so you can do nothing and live in their property?

            Selfish!

            • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 15:50
              -3

              @imurgod: Hahaha righto.. keep showing your colours
              1: I have been here 6 years
              2: I do minor repairs myself
              3: I pay my rent on time
              4: The owners really like us
              5: Renting is a two way street
              6: I change my own lightbulbs

              Only one person seems entitled here "I raised the rent on the one I had to go and replace the globes by double that of my other investments" is what you said and that makes you a low life IMO

              Blacklist that pal

              • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 15:54
                -1

                @Motek Benzona: Ahh I see the problem, you can't read and thus didn't answer any of my questions.

                This is the opposite of how my tenant conducted himself so what point are you trying to make?

                Why don't you start harassing your landlord everytime a globe goes out and see what happens.

                Had my tenant not called me out for consumables all the time, had a rent reduction, rent-free period, etc. I may have done something different.

                Renting is a two way street, you're right.

                So what's your point? How much did I raise the rent? How much rent is my tenant paying? What is the average rent for the area?

                That's right, you don't know anything. You're just hating because you have nothing and I do - that makes YOU the lowlife.

                • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 16:08
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                  @imurgod: During lockdown in 2020 our owners OFFERED us a 50% rent reduction for 3 months… we pay at least $60 per week below the market rate in 2022 and they do not raise the rent. In return we do minor repairs ourselves and it works quite well

                  Now THAT is people i respect, so say what you like. Meh

                  • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 16:14
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                    @Motek Benzona: Again, what's your point?

                    Do your landlords have a mortgage over the property? Is it hard to rent in your area? Have they have issues with tenants prior?

                    I gave 6 months 50% reduced and took no rent at all for 8 weeks in 2020 and the rent, with the increase, is still around $80 per week below market.

                    See what I mean? You just hate for the sake of hating. There is no shortage of people like you, you're a dime a dozen so respect from you is worthless to anyone. People like me can always kick people like you out and let the rental bidding begin!

                    • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 16:15
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                      @imurgod: Again, showing your colours with words for everyone to see. Please continue…

                      • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 16:16
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                        @Motek Benzona: Ditto.

                        You're an entitled hater.

                        What you are not, is worthy of any respect.

                        • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 16:19
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                          @imurgod: Admitting you are happy to engage in illegal activities such as encouraging bidding wars. Carry on criminal

                          • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 16:21
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                            @Motek Benzona: I let my agent handle that stuff, hater.

                            Imagine believing I care about what you think when you've achieved nothing ha ha.

                            Cry more but keep paying rent.

                            • Motek Benzona on 18/02/2022 - 16:46

                              @imurgod: So now you encourage others to break the law.. not only a criminal, a yellow one!!! Please continue to show every single person just what you are like whilst i go spend time with my family… THAT'S acheivment, not criminal activity

                              • imurgod on 18/02/2022 - 17:06
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                                @Motek Benzona: Clutching at straws much?!

                                Go see your family. God knows they would be proud of having a hater like you in the family who hates on people but has no idea why.

                                Make sure you pay your rent. Luxury yachts cost money, you know.

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