Should We Be Ditching Kaspersky Now That The War Has Started?

I mean I guess the million dollar question is what is the connection to the Russian gov?

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  • 66
    Yes
  • 25
    No
  • 7
    I dunno

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  • +36

    Home users don't need added AV resource hogs beyond Windows Defender and Malwarebytes.

    • This. /thread

    • +3

      Ad blocker and noscript.

      But mostly keep a monthly backup to restore to if you get hacks

  • -7

    When can people tell that someone doesn't understand how apps work?

    👇

    If Russia invades Ukraine and NATO responds with sanctions on Russia and military aid to Ukraine, should Kaspersky users in Europe and North America be concerned about using Kaspersky products? It worries me that I would be using a computer security product from a company headquartered in a country we could be technically at war with.

    • +3

      👆 when can people tell that someone doesn't understand how few things have more privileges than AV software on windows systems.

    • -1

      Who's we?

      Speak for yourself we are not at war with anyone. Ukraine & USA might be but Aus should sit down, stfu and also take it easy with the China rhetoric.

      • Who's we?

        🤷‍♀️

  • +2

    million dollar

    That's loose change with inflation!

  • -7

    Maybe OP put what the hell Kaspersky is .
    Yes I only found out by googling it .

    • -1

      It’s the thermobaric missile for viruses

  • +1

    I'm surprised you still have it.

    Dropped it like 20 years ago that resource hungry malware crap.

    • +5

      Is it still resource hungry? Not according to my Task Manager.

      20 years is a long time to retain prejudices.

      • +1

        It's still crap.
        came as bloatware on my newest laptop, keeps reinstalling itself

        Still receiving spam from them from when i signed up for a free year after multiple unsubscribe attempts.

        • So you may have been half right.

          • +4

            @jackspratt: I think you'll find McAfee and Norton are far more bloated and resource hungry than Kaspersky

            Kaspersky user here - it works well.

            I don't support the Russian invasion, but I dont support China's human rights policies either - but Australia doesnt make anything so have to buy from somewhere

            I do support quality products.

            • @TheCandyMan2020: Another Kaspersky user here. One of the best AVs I used. Low resource usage and a better "catcher" as well.

  • +19

    Russian backdoors and spyware versus American backdoors and spyware.

    Pick your poison.

    If you're THAT concerned about the potential for your AV product to harvest your data or perform malicious actions on your computers when we live in a nation that has mandatory metadata retention, has given law enforcement the legal authority to hack into any devices/networks/accounts and delete/place/steal evidence or data to incriminate people and has been carrying out warrantless surveillance of every man and his dog for the past God knows how many years, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 10 years.

    I'd be more worried about a centralised ECHELON/5 Eyes database containing deeply confidential information on ordinary Australians belonging to ASIO/ASIS being hacked by foreign actors who then leak that information to the world (due to our nation's piss-poor cyber security defences), than I would about Kaspersky finding out my Internet search history and sharing it with Vladimir Putin and his oligarch buddies for the lulz.

    And good luck to you if you're a user of Huawei/Xiaomi products…

    • +3

      Yep. I'd rather some dudes 10000km away know what I'm doing than the local mob leaders.

    • -2

      This is terrible advice it's just paranoia with no solution.

      AV software by nature exfils shit to check/learn/whatever you should be very careful about setting up any AV software.

      Turn off any reporting function unless you understand what is being sent.

      Or better yet, don't use AV and, configure your platform so people can't get infected by clicking on links in emails or opening up word macros.

      AV is just for lazy people

    • +3

      Yep, rather have Russians with my data than the cancel culture mob whom are supplied that data from NSA ;)

      It's also the only consumer software AV solution to block Pegasus spyware:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)

  • +7

    Kasperski would be your best choice right now. The Russians have no one to sell your information to, because Murika banned them from the marketplace.

  • +1

    ITs too late to get rid of it, they already have uploaded everything they need to all the kapersky running PC's
    /foil.hat

    • Such as?

      While I am slightly concerned about government spying, any government, I'm still not sure what's on my PC that would be of any use to them.

  • Never used it because it was Russian. 100% convinced they were writing the viruses that did the infecting and then selling users a solution.

    • So you are saying that there are entities that create viruses then sell the cure for profit? Bad boys those Ruskies…

      • First virus was created in Pakistan. Not many software companies there to speak of.

    • +1

      I suspects it's not just the Russians who do that.

      • Lol, pegaxs thinks he accidentally stumbled upon the literal business model of AV companies…

        The iPhone generation kids these days…

  • ""Never used it because it was Russian. 100% convinced they were writing the viruses""

    I think you will find that Brazil was the world virus writing hotspot in the 90s and early 00s.

    Keep in mind the old type viruses like ambulance and others were written for fun or to actually destroy data on a PC.

    Then some blokes elsewhere woke up that they could try to get money by writing password stealing etc malware that would take advantage of unpatched windows installations to steal credit card numbers etc.

    In the past few years it has been all about the money… give me your money.

    The very first old type virus was ""brain"" a 5 inch floppy MBR infector written by 2 pakistani brothers who tried to extort money from the owner of the pc that was unfortunate enough to boot from an infected floppy.

    CIH was written years ago by a bloke in taiwan and on april 24th ?? each year would actually wipe the bios/cmos so the motherboard was turned into a brick..

    He got caught.

    • oldest one I remember getting was the sepultura virus on our win 3.1 machine
      it still ran with no obvious faults but would come up with scanning
      .

  • ive used sophos home for years

  • Interesting topic as my Kaspersky is about to expire.
    A couple of years ago Kaspersky was on the top of the list of many reviewers and testers in terms of effectiveness at detecting malware. Personally I find its resources utilization les than other products I have tried (Trend, Norton)

    • I've been using BitDefender … works as far as I know

  • I dumped them when they started sponsorship of the Manly Sea-Eagles.

  • Boycott Russia

  • It's not just that Kaspersky's ties with the Kremlin are substantial (if anything even more so than with most other oligarchs), also the product is superfluous for 99%+ of users.

    Most of the heavily upvoted "deals" involving this product on ozbargain are astroturfed spam from companies who on-sell the product with large profit margins.

  • +1

    Bring back russian vodka…

    Taking alcohol off the shelves won't stop the bombing, people.

    • That's not how sanctions work.

      If we are opposed to Putin's war but don't want to get into a military fight with a nuclear superpower that will almost certainly end badly, then we need to create an incentive for Putin to back off and stop killing innocent people in Ukraine.

      Stopping trade might hurt us a bit since it means that we can't buy Russian things, but it hurts Russia more.

      Hopefully, if we can stop the Russian business owners making profits, they will pressure Putin to back off so that their businesses don't go bust and so that the Russian economy doesn't collapse due to the drop in exports. It may not work, but what other choice is there to stand up to a bully that's got nukes?

      • +1

        Stopping trade might hurt us a bit since it means that we can't buy Russian things, but it hurts Russia more.

        tell that to petrol prices lmao. you have no idea what you're talking about, we are barely a blip on the map for russia

  • it's not our war. if the software works well, use it.

    it's not my business or concern what other countries are doing. i hardly think it is fair to judge after what the west have been doing for the past century.

    • it's not my business or concern what other countries are doing.

      Until one day someone bullies or attacks you. Would you hope that someone might come to your aid, or should we walk on by and say to ourselves "its not our business what Alasdair and that person who appears to be mugging him are doing"?

      • +1

        countries =/= private citizens

        it's not our role to play international peace officer. they have their own laws, as we have our own. they are not bound by ours and we are not bound by theirs, unlike the scenario that you described, in which both parties are bound by 1 set of laws.

  • -1

    Kaspersky is still a good AV software, but I uninstalled from my computer and decided not to renew my license, which will be expiring in a few weeks.
    The reasons are
    1) Putin is a dictator, and I don't believe he doesn't have influence over Kaspersky. Until recently, I didn't really care about that, but right now I don't want to have their software installed.
    2) Given the current circumstances, I don't want to support Russian companies in general.

    There is no answer for your question. If you don't want to keep using Kaspersky, for whatever reason, Bitdefender and F-Secure are great options.
    You might think it's BS or publicity, but I liked this: https://www.bitdefender.com/ukraine/

  • bump

    So anyway, I've had a couple of people ask me to remove Kaspersky from their PC's and put something else on for 'reasons'.

    They are non-tech older types who need something better than Windows Defender. I'm recommending Bitdefender but thought I'd put the question here to see what other decent choices there are. (one customer has an older imac).

    Is Malwarebytes up to the job of full-time antivirus?

    Cheers

    • Did you tell them that Kaspersky is the best AV against Russian spies?

    • I used to use ESET, that's what I will be goin back to

      • Anywhere to get it at a decent price?
        Their website wants $80 per year.

        • Saveonit.com.au has been good in my experience

          • @reactor-au: Yep but they recently stopped stocking ESET, apparently ESET aren't doing 3rd party sales anymore.

  • Interesting read from Kaspersky employee.. (I didn't realise their code was open source)

    https://blog.kwiatkowski.fr/?q=en/kaspersky-statement

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