Are You Going to Eat The Bugs?

SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 00:32
Last edited 01/08/2022 - 14:14 by 1 other user

Seems obvious that the global order wants us to ditch meat and turn to crickets and other tasty crawlers as an environemtly-friendly solution to greenhouse gasses.

With environmentalism picking up and food shortages already evident, I think we're heading for a point where they will try turning crickets into the new vaccine - anyone who doesn't chow down the new menu and express how grateful they are will be brandished selfish, brainwashed, irresponsible etc. In other words, the plate will be political. Eating the crickets will give some a renewed sense of purpose or meaning, yet there will always be those who resist for whatever reason, and I sense this will be the next big issue that divides us in the future.

That's just my theory though. You are entitled to think more optimistically than I am.

So, where do you stand?

Poll Options

  • 257
    I will NEVER eat bugs or give up meat no matter what
  • 115
    I will switch to bugs if someone makes a compelling argument or it becomes popular
  • 42
    I am open to switching but still undecided
  • 86
    I have already started eating bugs
  • 79
    Meat will be available forever and this will never happen
Food & Grocery

Comments

            • SlavOz on 03/08/2022 - 10:04

              @Rick Sanchez: More people have died under Biden's mask and vaccine mandates than they did under Trump's docile approach to the virus. Is that another feature of "doing the right thing"?

              I don't blame you for not knowing this though. It's not on TV.

              The US has 330 million people, a shoddy healthcare system, and the world's chronically sickest population. It's got nothing to do with how many masks they put on.

              • Rick Sanchez on 03/08/2022 - 21:32

                @SlavOz: I mean, deaths were ramping up when Biden took office, and he was unable to stop it. I wouldn't say that trumps approach was better by any stretch though.

                A better comparison is the death rates in the US states that fought the mask mandates and had low vax rates vs the ones which did enforce it.

                You're spot on regarding the US health system though! Lol

      • Rick Sanchez on 02/08/2022 - 16:43

        Do you realise the amount of crap that's in prepackaged food? Or the amount of chemicals that go into cured meats? Crickets might be a nice change for many!

        But you repeating the talking points that they (murdoch network, Russia, Koch brothers, list goes on) want you to focus on.

        • SlavOz on 02/08/2022 - 17:25
          +1

          Damn, he's onto us! Russia invading Ukraine has nothing to do with Putin. It's all a ploy for us to grab as much meat as possible, while the Koch brothers load it into the back of a van and drive it to Murdoch headquarters.

          You figured it out.

          • Rick Sanchez on 02/08/2022 - 22:48

            @SlavOz: Hopefully this helps you avoid falling for conspiracies and pointless talking points in the future.

  • elgrande on 01/08/2022 - 06:39
    +1

    Do Balmain bugs count?

  • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 07:03
    +3

    A few thoughts:

    1. Not sure if you've been monitoring QLD from the sky, but the land is now a patchwork of deforested land (mainly for beef and other farming), mining projects, and desert. The reality is that beef should be more expensive than it is, because it requires so much land, because beef farming is inefficient and uneconomical, because it requires deforestation, because it produces greenhouse gases, and because the deforestation also produces greenhouse gases. In comparison, things like soy-based meat will end up being much cheaper because they will be more efficient to produce, and require less deforestation. With human ingenuity, eventually they will taste good enough or even better than beef. I've never liked steak. Don't you think it's overrated? No problem for me if we switch to veg-meat. I can live on plain porridge and bananas, I'm not a spoilt brat who needs to live a life of constant luxury and indulgence. Also worth noting that the data suggests red meat consumption increases the likelihood of bowel cancer.

    2. I don't see insects popping up on menus or in supermarkets. Where did this conspiracy theory come from?

    3. Why do you assume people who aren't on the same wavelength as you are brainwashed? Don't you know that well-read people have the ability to distinguish between fact and fiction. They have the ability (and the means) to investigate the credibility of sources of information. The have critical faculties and knowledge that enable them to estimate the credibility of supplied information reasonably accurately.

    4. If the population reaches 10 billion, and they all want to eat beef every day, will you change your opinion on the consumption of meat? Do you think it would be physically and economically possible to slaughter >100 million cattle every week?

    • [Deactivated] on 01/08/2022 - 08:51

      Food is being repriced through inflation.

      Insects will inevitably have to become part of the food supply if we are to meet net-zero targets.

      The fact that we are not yet seeing insects in the supermarket now means we have to go even harder in the future.

      It is not a conspiracy theory. There are literally blueprints on how we can build back better. How else do you expect people to get their proteins if beef and other animals are removed from the supply chain? (BTW Nuts are even worse when it comes to their environmental impact…)

      Wise man Klaus Schwab said so himself. Do you not think the elite want to keep things the way they are at the moment if they could? Of course, but we cannot do that anymore.

      So we must prepare for a more angry world…

      • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 09:00
        +2

        Most meat is 15-20% protein.

        Bread contains 10-15% protein.

        Nuts are 20% protein.

        Cheese is 25% protein.

        Tofu is 10-20% protein.

        Beans are 5-25% protein.

        It's recommended to get a range of protein, you don't just need protein from meat.

        • [Deactivated] on 01/08/2022 - 09:05

          Well from what I know Cheese and Nuts are off the table due to their environmental impact, at least the group I am part of speaks of such… There is not much left over, maybe if we can grow some bean that is like a weed, then we are saved.

          Then again no one I know has raised the issue of whether an edible weed that is fast growing would itself pose an issue…

          • afoveht on 01/08/2022 - 10:00

            @[Deactivated]: Soy beans provide the most protein per acre for any common food choice, by far. Other beans follow.

          • SpainKing on 01/08/2022 - 16:39

            @[Deactivated]: I think I recall hearing that wheat is becoming like an edible weed.

            Because of the many years of selective breeding they've become much more successful than most native plants at growing quickly and resisting disease/insects. This blocks the sunlight for the plants that grow below the wheat, preventing photosynthesis and killing the plants.

            Then the wheat is left as a monocrop and the lack of biodiversity makes the ground trash to grown on. Eventually the ground is so bad the wheat also dies and the land is left arid.

            I could be misremembering or misinformed but I heard it somewhere

        • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:10

          You can't make a meal out of cheese and bread. If people try to fill the meat void with more processed carbs, expect to see even more cases of diabetes and obesity, which will put even more strain on the population.

          If everyone ate nothing but meat and vegetables, we could abolish a significant portion of our healthcare burden.

          • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 10:13
            -1

            @SlavOz: I've tried that diet. By lunchtime I was shaking and nearly fainting. The brain requires glucose. Maybe an OK diet if you're just going to do simple gardening or digging all day and try not to think too much.

            • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 11:15
              +2

              @ForkSnorter: you do realise low-carb diets are common among professional athletes?

              Not sure what you do on a daily basis but I doubt you're playing 5 set tennis matches or lifting weights. If athletes can survive without cordial and bread, so can you.

              • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 11:23
                +2

                @SlavOz: Low-carb is different from no carb. Brain requires glucose. Try learning a new language (properly) or taking a computer coding course without eating any carbs. Anyway, it's only body builders that ditch carbs when they're trying to lean up. Pro athletes still eat carbs. They train all day, so they need the energy. Some even carb-load.

          • afoveht on 01/08/2022 - 10:16
            +2

            @SlavOz:

            more processed carbs

            Is that the only thing you can think of that replaces animal flesh?

            Web search "diabetes and veganism", or even better "diabetes whole food plant based" for a world that will make you uncomfortable.

          • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 10:19
            +2

            @SlavOz:

            If everyone ate nothing but meat and vegetables, we could abolish a significant portion of our healthcare burden.\

            Do you think these things through? Imagine how many calories you would need to replace if people stopped eating carbs. Carbs make up something like 80% of our energy intake. And a lot of it is actually healthy. Rice, wholegrain bread, oats, barley, pasta, etc. If we give all that up, where is the enormous quantity of extra meat going to come from? Going to clear another few billion hectares to farm cattle and sheep?

          • Thaal Sinestro on 01/08/2022 - 15:41
            +1

            @SlavOz: The people who are pushing global warming also subscribe to high fat, high protein, animal product rich 'keretogenic' diets. They have a pathological fear of wheat, rice, corn and similar grain staples, grains which provide far more calories per acre than animal farming. I eat a lot of wheat products (bread, noodles, spaghetti) and I am neither obese nor diabetic. Excessive sugars are harmful but grains are fine. Rice has been the main food source of Asia and Asians still have very low obesity rates compared to the rest of the world.

            • Rick Sanchez on 02/08/2022 - 16:46

              @Thaal Sinestro: The people that keep pushing global warming.. Are you talking about 98% of scientists?
              Global warming is fact

        • Harold Halfprice on 02/08/2022 - 12:48
          +2

          Most meat is 15-20% protein.

          Bread contains 10-15% protein.

          What meat only contains 15-20% protein, let alone "most" meat? That's a load of bull. The fact that you've basically equated bread with meat in regards to protein content is laughable.

          A regular porterhouse steak contains ~40% protein by calories. A lean cut is even higher.

          Chicken breast fillets are ~80% protein

          Chicken thigh fillets are ~55% protein

          Pork loin chops are ~50% protein

          Salmon is ~50% protein

          • ForkSnorter on 02/08/2022 - 15:28

            @Harold Halfprice: You're just wrong. Not sure where you got your data from. Most meat that includes the natural amount of fat is 15-20% protein.

            Chicken breast 80% protein, are you serious? That doesn't even need googling to know it's wrong.

            • SBOB on 02/08/2022 - 15:33

              @ForkSnorter:

              Chicken breast 80% protein, are you serious? That doesn't even need googling to know it's wrong.

              yeah, some mixed up values for sure.
              More like 80% of calories come from protein, but chicken breast is not 80% protein..closer to 30%

              • Harold Halfprice on 02/08/2022 - 20:03

                @SBOB: Read my comment - I clearly mentioned I'm talking about caloric percentages.

                Meat contains a large amount of water weight. If you compare % by weight it differs between raw vs cooked.

                What is the benefit of comparing nutrient content by weight? It's an irrelevant metric when trying to gauge what foods are high in protein/carbs/fats.

                Trying to pass bread as being about as high in protein as meat is a joke. It's just plainly misrepresenting facts to push a particular view.

            • Harold Halfprice on 02/08/2022 - 20:09

              @ForkSnorter: Here you go:

              Chicken breast fillet: Macronutrients are made up of 80% protein, 20% fat.
              https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/chicken-breast-fi…

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:15
      +4

      Don't you think it's overrated?

      No. I used to be vegan, I've tried all the fake meats, they taste like cardboard stuffed with nutrients. You're not thinking about the people who have dietary restrictions and can't consume mass processed products with additives, colours, thickeners, etc.

      Turn over the ingredients list of your fake meats and ask yourself how many actual nutritients you're ingesting relative to the amount of added crap that goes into it. At least meat is just pure animal flesh.

      • ForkSnorter on 01/08/2022 - 10:16

        I actually haven't tried fake meat. I was just referring specifically to beef steak. Never enjoyed it.

      • idonotknowwhy on 02/08/2022 - 10:13

        You're not thinking about the people who have dietary restrictions and can't consume mass processed products with additives

        +1 All my chronic health problems went away when I went >80% carnivore.

    • leiiv on 01/08/2022 - 13:19
      +1

      We should terraform our deserts before even thinking of going to the moon and mars..

    • idonotknowwhy on 02/08/2022 - 10:11
      +1

      The reality is that beef should be more expensive than it is, because it requires so much land, because beef farming is inefficient and uneconomical,

      It's clearly not too inefficient or uneconomical though, otherwise the beef would cost more. They're not selling it at a loss after all.

      because it requires deforestation

      Well sounds like the deforestation is already done.

      because it produces greenhouse gases

      I guess if we get new taxes on it for the greenhouse gasses, they'd get passed on to the consumer so it'd be a little more expensive. But not in a noticeable way.

      • ForkSnorter on 02/08/2022 - 11:05
        -1

        It's clearly not too inefficient or uneconomical though, otherwise the beef would cost more.

        The cheap beef you see (or used to see) at the supermarket is clearly subsidised. The livestock industry is subsidised. One example: the government gave hundreds of millions of $ to the livestock industry as "drought relief", even though the massive deforestation by the industry contributes to, and increases the likelihood of drought.

        Well sounds like the deforestation is already done.

        No, it's ongoing. And it's been ongoing for decades. Hundreds of thousands of hectares of forest clearing every year.

  • orangetrain on 01/08/2022 - 07:28
    +8

    Just a culture issue. People seem to not be afraid of drinking other animal milk for example.

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:15
      +1

      Would you try dog's milk if the government said it made you a good citizen?

      • GrueHunter on 01/08/2022 - 13:18
        +6

        You probably would if Jordan Petersen told you to

        "hurr durr alpha wolf diet"

  • skid on 01/08/2022 - 07:45

    Only if they cost less than $7/kilo

  • EightImmortals on 01/08/2022 - 07:46
    +2

    The war on food.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/IceAgeFarmer/videos

    And I'm not eating bugs.

    https://youtu.be/TjsPpRZVrzQ

  • pegaxs on 01/08/2022 - 07:46
    +10

    “Ewww gross, why are they now selling scorpions and crickets at the Woolworths deli counter? These will never take off as a food. No one will ever eat creepy crawlies… oh, and 1kg of prawns thanks love.”

    • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 10:06
      +3

      Add Oysters, etc, where things like sewerage, heavy metals and insecticides concentrate.

  • EightImmortals on 01/08/2022 - 08:07
    +6

    Well this thread has opened a can of worms.

    • djones145 on 01/08/2022 - 08:19
      +3

      this reply bugs me

  • Jimothy Wongingtons on 01/08/2022 - 08:19
    +2

    well its going to be this or soylent green :3

  • Gordon61B on 01/08/2022 - 08:22
    +2

    Food is and always was political. Snails became a food source when starvation happened in France. Spiders became a food source during the Khmer Rouge famines in Cambodia. It's not about 'they', it's about the realisation that we need to change our behaviour. And it's about 'too many humans'. We are a plague.

    • EightImmortals on 01/08/2022 - 08:34
      +2

      Well you only have to look at what happened in China after the starvation that happened when the communists took over, the Chinese started eating everything they could get their hands on, including wildlife, cats, dogs etc. If things did get bad enough that bugs were a viable option do you think people would choose that over wombat steaks and dolphin burgers?

      • Gordon61B on 01/08/2022 - 13:37

        I know we're already experimenting with and growing insects for consumption. It's a reality.

        • EightImmortals on 01/08/2022 - 14:25
          +1

          Sure. And just to cut through all the false assumptions on this thread, if people CHOOSE to eat bug products I have no problem with that. What I object to is the orchestrated destruction of the regular food supply to create false shortages and hyper-inflated prices that essentially forces people to eat them. All in order to 'save the planet'. I've not looked into the nutritional comparisons between bugs and meat but there is a lot more to a good steak than merely protein and for me it is beside the point anyway.

          • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 20:16

            @EightImmortals: This isn’t happening. However, if something costs a lot to produce then it will be reflected in the price paid.

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:18
      +4

      All your examples of people changing their diet is a result of political forces manipulating the supply chain. Why should the people tolerate that?

      We wouldn't need to change our behaviour if the people in charge stopped burning the world down and telling us it's for our own protection.

      • GrueHunter on 01/08/2022 - 13:20
        +3

        Just curious, do you wave your hands and wiggle your fingers and make a "wooOOOoooh" face when you talk about "political forces manipulating" things in real life, or does it just read like that

      • Gordon61B on 01/08/2022 - 13:36

        You'll tolerate it when the alternative is to be shot, or to starve. It's naive to think we all, always have a say in our lives. Read 1984. George Orwell was a prophet. AND, the economics of food production are way more complex than a forum like this will digest (think about the inefficiencies of producing beef, vs other protein options.

        You want less control by government and corporates? Start foraging, start breeding edible insects, chooks, etc. Be self sufficient. Or try to navigate the real world that most of us inhabit. Not everyone can grow beef. Many could and probably will grow crickets… yum, crunchy… ;)

        • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 17:38
          +1

          I own a small plot of land and grow a lot of my own food. Haven't paid for eggs in years and my freezer is full of last year's slaughtered chickens.

          We had a cow but we ate it, so will buy a new one soon. Garden provides plenty of fresh lettuce, lemons, strawberries, and eggplants. It's almost self-sufficient.

          I can't wait for Ozbargain in 2038. Everyone's gonna be like "how do I get the spider eggs out of my sandwich" and I'm gonna get all the negs for asking what's the best topping for my rib eye steak.

          I think any smart person right now should be learning how to forage or kill an animal.

  • Sinnerator on 01/08/2022 - 08:24
    +4

    I'll give up my medium done scotch fillet steak when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/08/2022 - 08:40
      +4

      A more realistic scenario is that you might find some of those products hyperinflated away from you…

      It is more likely that people will ask to eat bugs in the future, when it inevitably collapses, rather than anyone forcing anyone to do anything. Is it still free will though?

      The question is whether this is confined to the third world, or will it reach the first world too…

      (Oh right I figured it out… It will have to be all of us because otherwise the third world might start flooding into the first world via refugees as they will want to eat what they deem as more palatable food…)

      We are preparing for a more angry world…. It's a sad future ahead.

    • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 09:34
      +1

      You eat your steak with your hands? Me, I use a knife and fork. It is a lot less messy. Medium, really? You might want to try medium, rare.

      BTW, how much does scotch fillet steak go for the kilo now? It is, only, going to get more expensive unless we find a cheap way to grow meat that doesn’t involve animal husbandry. Also you do realise that the cows aren’t so fussy about eating insects. Your steak will include a certain amount of, naturally, processed insect matter.

      • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:21
        +1

        My chickens eat worms and maggots all day. The nutrients in that helps them lay eggs, which I then eat.

        It's a pretty far stretch to say I'm eating worms and maggots. Animals process their food and turn it into protein which turns into muscle.

        • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 10:35

          In the Western world the insects will, most likely, be processed into things like flour that will be added to other products. Like other foods they will be managed for safety, taste, etc. What you will see is the consumers will realise they are eating a safe form of protein and this will become popular. If you want to eat the alternative your prices will increase. They will, also, begin to use processed insect meal as feed lots for livestock.

          However, I will argue you are eating worms and maggots all the time. If you use flour in your cooking there will be bugs in it. If you buy food at a restaurant there will be bits of bugs in the meal. The bugs get, everywhere, and most of them are, probably, too small to see. There will be bugs all over your food, your cooking utensils, you cutlery and crockery. It is, just, you can’t see them. Happy dining.

          • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 11:22
            +3

            @try2bhelpful: I think you're missing the point here. I'm not ideologically opposed to ingesting bugs or bug matter. Its not against my religion. It's not like I'm Bug Halal or anything.

            If you made me a nice looking meal with bugs, I'd be polite and try it. I have no issues.

            What I do have an issue with is people who think it's acceptable to disrupt the supply chain and manipulate other people's food choices/availability because of their own ideology.

            • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 12:21

              @SlavOz: The world is disrupting the supply chain. I’m saying we need to go with the most efficient methods. We’ve moved on, a tad, in the last couple of Millenia. You might want to have a good look at what is, legally, allowed in the production of meat.

            • Vote for Pedro on 01/08/2022 - 14:21

              @SlavOz: I think people should be allowed to protest. That’s part of our democracy. Sometimes for protests or causes to be heard, there needs to be some disruption.

              It’s a fine line. But it’s risky to ban protests, unless there is a genuine safety concern. I don’t know what the perfect balance is

              • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 15:36

                @Vote for Pedro: I think you missed my point. If you look at the floods, bushfires, etc then the supply chain is being disrupted by nature.

                However, you have no issue with the BLM protests and the protestors that Trump had the cops beat up?

                My honest opinion is protesting in the street is, basically, pointless. Find a park and protest there. Protesting in the street gets people who agree with you offside.

                If you want change then you need to adopt corporate tactics. You need to show the cost benefit analysis. There is no Planet B. We have to ensure the one we have is liveable. This is why the corporates are getting onboard now with climate change issues. They can see the cost benefit analysis.

                • Vote for Pedro on 01/08/2022 - 15:39
                  +1

                  @try2bhelpful: I wasn’t replying to you or did you miss the account switch :P

                • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 17:47

                  @try2bhelpful: The cops didn't beat anyone up. People were simply asked not to protest too close to the presidential line and they chose not to, prompting them to face the consequences.

                  Corporations don't care about climate change, sorry to say. Neither do the rich people making you feel guilty for turning on the A/C or driving to work. They ride around in their private jets all day spewing emissions from the sky.

                  Taylor Swift and Elon Musk take 20-minute plane rides so they don't have to sit in traffic like the rest of us. Then they tell you how important it is to make sacrifices for the planet 😂

                  • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 17:57

                    @SlavOz: The people being beaten up included a reporter. I’m not sure where you are getting your information from; but I can suspect.

                    I don’t give a toss about celebrity endorsement; I didn’t say I did. I”m not sure why you are so obsessed with them?

                    I’m talking about where the science is taking us and this is something you refuse to follow.

                    There is a character that Comedian Mark Steel has created called Mr Culdesac. He keeps writing, nonsense, letters to the paper where he is “outraged” by what is happening. The sketch finishes with one letter being “why, oh, why, oh, why?” And him explaining it is coming along nicely.

                    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 21:01
                      -1

                      @try2bhelpful:

                      The people being beaten up included a reporter. I’m not sure where you are getting your information from; but I can suspect.

                      Oh look, more faux outrage. Do you shed tears for all those reporters and citizens that were beaten up in Victoria under Dan Andrews, or is ordering the police to beat people up OK in some circumstances when it's convenient for your hate movement ideology?

                      I don’t give a toss about celebrity endorsement

                      Sure you do - as long as they've got a white lab coat and have been endorsed by the government to go on TV, you will believe everything they say.

                      I’m talking about where the science is taking us

                      People have been eating meat for thousands of years. Most nutritionists overwhelmingly agree that it should be part of a healthy and balanced diet.

                      There is no consensus that eating beef or eggs will be humanity's demise. This is just more scaremongering pushed by the doomsdayers with little practical evidence outside of TV pundits and government-approved reports. You are not following the science - you're following your own ideology.

            • Gordon61B on 01/08/2022 - 21:44

              @SlavOz: Supply-chain disruption was going on thousands of years before anyone invented the term Supply Chain. Food is always potentially a weapon. There are people (and always will be) who are happy to starve other people for their own gain. Doesn't make it good.

  • RockinIt on 01/08/2022 - 08:38
    +1

    What exactly did I read?

    Post recovery: Crickets are an additional source of protein. Load em up!

  • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 08:47
    +11

    If you’ve ever eaten processed food you have, probably, eaten bugs. They are allowed to have a certain amount of insect matter in them.

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/i-hate-…

    The most likely way that insects will be served, to Western palates, would be as processed powders added as protein enhancers for other products.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221457452…

    The plate is, already, political. Certain foods are too expensive for sections of society to eat. Religions dictate what their followers eat. There are Government regulations around the storage and sale of certain foods for health safety reasons. For a conspiracy theorist you, appear, to be incredibly naive as to what is happening in the world.

    You have indicated that food shortages are, already, evident so how do you intend to bridge this gap?

    Would I be happy if my flour came with a protein enhancer from properly treated insect powder? Why not, provided I couldn’t detect it was there and it improved the nutritional value of the end product. It would cost a lot less than other sources of protein.

    We are talking about properly farmed and processed. Millions of people eat properly farmed snails every year. It is considered a delicacy.

    Do I want to chow down on a whole fly? Of course not. However, I would have no issue with things like grasshoppers where they have been properly processed, ground, and added to other products. It is about food safety and cost. They will be a cheap form of protein.

    It is interesting watching the ideology of the constantly outraged. I’m sure if you have a stroke, from this constant hysteria, you will expect to be treated in the medical facilities provided by our Universal health care.

    • [Deactivated] on 01/08/2022 - 08:56

      Exactly. Love your analysis.

      Better we have this conversation now rather than later…

    • AustriaBargain on 01/08/2022 - 09:10

      Wasn't the blue dye in Smarties made from smashed up bugs for a while?

      • pais on 01/08/2022 - 09:17
        +2

        Cochineal is in red dye, and that's a reasonable description of it.

        Sometimes it's just best not to know the detail - castoreum is a type of vanilla flavouring which comes from a beaver's arse.

        • Mr Haj on 01/08/2022 - 15:25

          Who was the sicko that realised beaver's arse tastes like vanilla?

    • Boshait on 01/08/2022 - 10:27
      +1

      If you've eaten unprocessed food you've almost certainly eaten bugs. The bugs aren't added during processing, all natural food has bugs. The difficulty is in removing them all.

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:38

      You have indicated that food shortages are, already, evident so how do you intend to bridge this gap?

      Shortages are being exacerbated by ideological policies, ie farming restrictions and other disincentives.

      We need cull them. You really think the people up top are going to switch to crickets and spiders as well? Yeah right.

      It is interesting watching the ideology of the constantly outraged

      🤣 You just spent 8 paragraphs telling us we should prepare for hunger or give up one of the most widely consumed human staples because some rich guys in suits said so.

      But sure, anyone who doesn't want to change their diet to satisfy the ideology of the elites is just being a hothead…

      Does it ever cross your mind that if your worldview is pushing you to tell others how they should feed themselves and their family, maybe it's you who has outrage issues?

      • try2bhelpful on 01/08/2022 - 10:55

        Have you looked at the scientific information on nutrient values vs resources required with various foods? Farming livestock is, very, resource intensive and is not a good bang for buck return on nutritional investment. That is the bottom line.

        Properly processed insects would provide a much better nutritional return on investment, as would plant matter.

        All we want you to do is put down your “world order conspiracy theory” rantings and look at the scientific evidence.

        What I provided was links to scientific information on the current level of allowed insect matter in foods and the most likely way that insect protein would be used in Western nations. That is, hardly, “rich guys in suits”. In fact the “rich guys in suits” are the ones more likely to be pushing meat because it is expensive to produce.

        My worldview is feed as many people, as possible, with the most nutritious foods. We should get the most bang for buck out of our farming methods. You are the one pushing the view on “families” that we shouldn’t be looking at what will be best for the planet that the children will inherit.

        Step back, take a deep breath, stay out of the rightwing outrage sites and look at the science.

        • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 17:59
          +1

          Did it ever occur to you that there's more to food than just nutritional value? I know it's hard for Aussies to grasp as we don't have any popular cuisines, but there's a whole world of culinary diversity out there. Food has been developed over countless generations and holds an important place in many cultural or ethnic identities. It's not just about how much protein powder you can fit on a cardboard.

          My worldview is feed as many people, as possible, with the most nutritious foods.

          Your worldview is going to starve many third-world countries that rely on raising their own meat. It's all well and fine to think the whole world lives in a major city where we can all just eat what's at the shops, but that's not the case. You're not seeing the world for what it is, you're seeing it for what you want it to be.

          the planet that the children will inherit.

          What children? Birth rates and marriage are way down, the West is slowly but surely becoming extinct - which is another intentional effect pushed by progressive mouthpieces.

          We are already below replacement rate. Add in well over a million abortions a year, there aren't going to be many children to inherit this beautiful planet you dream of.

          This is a far greater risk to our future than climate change.

          • pais on 01/08/2022 - 18:22

            @SlavOz:

            Your worldview is going to starve many third-world countries that rely on raising their own meat.

            That's not the natural conclusion of his assertions at all; it's just a strawman that you can barely knock down.

            Increasing crop-yield is consistent with aiming for the "most bang for buck" out of farming. Artificial meat production may be consistent with it in the future, too, if the economies scale appropriately. Consider this iconic statement from Borlaug from an article he published in the early 2000s - had the global cereal yields of 1950 still prevailed in 1999, we would have needed nearly 1.8 billion ha of additional land of the same quality – instead of the 600 million that was used – to equal the current global harvest.

            Consider the impact that dwarf wheat had on the developed world, and genetic engineering in general. Us all eating insects as the primary source of protein is about as likely as the outright return of agrarian society, i.e. not at all. It's just confected outrage from a confused Fox listener.

          • Harold Halfprice on 02/08/2022 - 14:21

            @SlavOz:

            Did it ever occur to you that there's more to food than just nutritional value? I know it's hard for Aussies to grasp as we don't have any popular cuisines, but there's a whole world of culinary diversity out there. Food has been developed over countless generations and holds an important place in many cultural or ethnic identities. It's not just about how much protein powder you can fit on a cardboard.

            Some people here act like they will happily enjoy becoming perfectly efficient, emotionless beings that are fed a nutrient sludge consisting of ground up insects and chemicals. As if they can't wait to live in some dystopian future devoid of all qualities that make human life worth living.

            We might as well hook ourselves up to an IV drip, and lock ourselves in virtual reality for the sake of "efficiency". At which point we are no more sentient than a tree.

    • GrueHunter on 01/08/2022 - 13:24
      +2

      The plate is, already, political

      SlavOz just says "political" to mean "I don't like it"

      He doesn't actually understand politics

  • dust on 01/08/2022 - 08:47
    +1

    I've eaten bugs before (mealworms, crickets, ants) , totally not a big deal.

    Real meat is much tastier though.

    • Donaldhump on 01/08/2022 - 09:51
      +2

      ants have eaten me a few times after a hard night on the piss and passing out on my lawn

  • Krankite on 01/08/2022 - 08:53
    +4

    Insects no but "high protein" flour, bread and other products sure thing. Once they process those bugs in to a powder and use it as an additive you won't even notice.

    • pegaxs on 01/08/2022 - 10:20

      Once they process those bugs in to a powder

      Might want to google "Cochineal" and see how this red food colouring is made :D

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:45
      +1

      Do you really want to head to a place where you're being sustained by added supplements and nutrients?

      Don't the warning labels on most vitamin products clearly say that supplementation should not replace a balanced diet?

  • shaybisc on 01/08/2022 - 09:00
    +2

    I'll be eating lab grown meat, thanks.

  • Richmond Tigers on 01/08/2022 - 09:01

    Just a dumb thought really. If you got rid of beef you could raise a crap tonne more chickens and pigs to satisfy the carnivores and to a degree methane emissions.

  • AwesomeAndrew on 01/08/2022 - 09:02
    +3

    I definitely would not eat any bugs, but I would be willing to switch to plant based foods.

    • netjock on 01/08/2022 - 11:43

      Some people are so desperate they'd switch to bugs before they'll eat their veggies :D

  • AustriaBargain on 01/08/2022 - 09:06
    +3

    We'll grow premium meat in factories. The market for "real" meat will be high enough to subsidised the early stages of that industry.

    • dust on 01/08/2022 - 10:01
      +1

      I wonder if you can get nice marbling in lab grown meat.

  • Donaldhump on 01/08/2022 - 09:52

    if crickets and celery were the only two items on the menu, id give crickets a go.

  • holdenmg on 01/08/2022 - 09:53
    +1

    No Cochineal for you! lol

  • Ponka on 01/08/2022 - 09:54

    I eat the vaccines and inject the bugs into me.

  • holdenmg on 01/08/2022 - 09:55
    +4

    Doctors still use Leeches in Medicine but they would probably refuse the OP.
    (There are some things Leeches won't do).

    One Leech said: "I'd rather starve!" lol

  • amzinguserman on 01/08/2022 - 10:11
    +2

    Seems obvious that the global order wants us to ditch meat and turn to crickets

    yeah no.

    crickets into the new vaccine - anyone who doesn't chow down the new menu and express how grateful they are will be brandished selfish, brainwashed, irresponsible etc.

    dude wtf.

    Lab grown meat and mushroom is actually more feasible.

    • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:47
      +3

      Lab grown meat and mushroom is actually more feasible.

      Be that as it may, but what if I still refuse? Are you going to respect my choice or do you think Daddy Guvamemt should do something to stop me?

      • amzinguserman on 01/08/2022 - 10:56
        +10

        Do you spend all your free time imagining made up scenarios where you are a victim or do you have a prosecution fetish ?

        • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 10:58
          +1

          So, what's your answer?

          You literally could've answered the question in less time than it took to insult me.

          The fact that you took the long way just to do that likely suggests you don't want to answer the question because it would debunk your attitude.

          If I'm being unrealistic, then just prove me wrong - tell me right now that if I choose to keep eating meat, you won't try to stop me (or beg the government to do it)?

          Go ahead.

          • amzinguserman on 01/08/2022 - 11:14

            @SlavOz: I did not insult you.

            Your question in fact this whole post is not based in logic lots of people have pointed out crickets or bugs is not a reasonable food source.

            No one is going to force you to eat bugs. I would strongly suggest you seek help.

            anyways has anyone heard of this new protein bar called Soylent Green ?

            • SlavOz on 01/08/2022 - 11:57
              +3

              @amzinguserman:

              No one is going to force you to eat bugs

              There's a considerable contingent of people in this thread that are on board with eating bugs and ridiculing anyone who doesn't want to eat spider & cricket sandwiches.

              It's definitely not the novel idea you pretent it is…read through some of the other responses.

              • amzinguserman on 01/08/2022 - 12:31
                +3

                @SlavOz: and they are not forcing you.

                the victim complex you have is surreal.

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