Swisse Ultiboost Vitamin D3 (1000IU), 400 Capsules $13.50 ($12.15 S&S) + Delivery ($0 with Prime/$39 Spend) @ Amazon AU

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• Bone & Teeth Health: Supports the development and maintenance of healthy bones and teeth
• Increased Absorption: Vitamin D3 assists the absorption and utilisation of calcium, which helps maintain healthy bone density. Vitamin D3 is retained in the bloodstream more effectively when compared to vitamin D2 (synthetic).
• Muscle Health: Vitamin D helps support muscle function.
• Immune Health: Supports a healthy immune system.

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                INFIDEL on 04/08/2022 - 07:52

                @G-rig: Sun exposure is not recommended as necessary every day.

                There is now research refuting the health benefit of supplementation

                Yes, supplementation raises the Vit D level in the blood, but was found not to have the expected health benefit!!
                That's the important breakthrough finding.

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                  G-rig on 04/08/2022 - 07:56

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                  @INFIDEL: FFS, ok.
                  You can get more on one day which covers you for other days.

                  So are you in favour of getting sun or supplements.i
                  I thought it was fairly common knowledge that maintain a good level of vit D provides good protection against cold and flu.

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                    INFIDEL on 04/08/2022 - 08:09

                    @G-rig: The research suggests supplementation (except in rare cases) is a pointless waste of money.

                    Have a nice sun lounge (neighbours cast off) & take a walk to soak up a few rays most days🌞 A nice way to take a break & relax!

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                      G-rig on 04/08/2022 - 08:19

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                      @INFIDEL: Yeah mate that's normal, and do most days. 10-20 min, meant to be strong midday sun.
                      Keep in mind the weather has been fked this year, raining half the time.

                      Anyway those d3 and me drops are Much better if anyone is going to bother. I take them for different reasons to 'top up' as always don't get enough sun (and doesn't hurt if plant based).

                      Out :).

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                        INFIDEL on 04/08/2022 - 10:08

                        @G-rig: Beautiful blue cloudless sky here - enjoyed a long break & exercise in the sun. In shorts & t-shirt, maximising skin exposure.

                        Enjoy the sun safely when you can🌞
                        A good source of Vit D - at no cost!

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                          G-rig on 04/08/2022 - 10:53

                          @INFIDEL: Ok.
                          15 min enough? it ages your skin otherwise you should use sunscreen. Especially in Aus with lack of ozone layer.

                          What about all the days it's raining?

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                            INFIDEL on 04/08/2022 - 15:09

                            @G-rig: Posted @10am. Was in sun @9:10am for 30min. Just back from 30 min walk. Both outside the strongest UV hours. Max UV level: 5.
                            Sunscreen: prefer to avoid chemical products when possible.

                            Premature aging hasn't been a problem in my family. Men live into their late 90's with smooth skin, despite sun exposure living in the country. And not using sunscreen. The luck of Genetics!

                            Spent 6 months a year on the beach until my mid 20's! Some of that as a hippie nudist! Think any damage has been done, but wisely avoided exposure in the middle of the day.
                            Woman last week thought I am much younger than I am. Sweet😊

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                            Ozone depletion mainly affects the South, not a real issue for me. Strangely would expect that to improve Vit D levels. But Vic & Tas have some of highest levels of Vit D deficiency in blood tests. Lowest where I live!

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                            Vit D only sticks around for 1day. It transforms to calcidiol which has a half life of 15d. So 25% still remains at 30d.
                            That is what is measured in the blood test. And why blood tests can record artificially high Vit D results after supplementation. It may not be what is available or used by the body.

                            So top up levels / bank when available, as you suggested.

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                  G-rig on 06/08/2022 - 12:44

                  @INFIDEL: Correct, everyday is an average - some days more, some days none.
                  Just as well as it's wet and overcast again in BNE (La Niña in general a lot of this year and last compared to a typical sunny winter).

                  Interesting.. seems to about bone health & fractures.

                  That's one study but promising it's a randomised trial at least.
                  Do you have the full transcript, seems to be for subscribers only.

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                    INFIDEL on 06/08/2022 - 13:38

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                    @G-rig: Yes, cool with drizzle here. Last days with hours of sun are just a memory! Staying inside, having banked a bit of Vit D🌞

                    Discussed research with medical practitioners yesterday at Uni Was good to see them questioning research papers, results & methodology. I designed the Research Masters course there.

                    More information is becoming available in the general media about the longitudinal study. About the only way to detect a CAUSAL link between Vit D supplementation & health outcomes.

                    Up to now it's been CORRELATION, which just leads to questions about dies low Vit D levels cause illness - or illness cause low Vit D levels!!

                    Seems I will have to wait for my read of the paper - its generating a lot of interest.

                    Seems confined to fractures in this study. A medical condition that is quantifiable & recorded.
                    As elderly patients are prescribed Vit D primarily to prevent osteoporosis & fractures - a good place to start.

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                      G-rig on 06/08/2022 - 13:47

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                      @INFIDEL: All sounds good, nice work there.
                      Yah bit more sun would be nice. Make cycling/commuting not as enjoyable or a non-event :P.

                      Reminds me that I need to try get back into/start the the gym too - resistance training is great for bone density and is a good preventative measure for those issues too.

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                        INFIDEL on 06/08/2022 - 13:57

                        @G-rig: So I'm told…
                        Read the studies, have a gym program designed by an Exercise Physiologist.
                        Lots of resistance training & of course the resistance bands etc at home.
                        Govt funded with free follow up exercises over months in the gym.
                        Did I keep it up? (Insert answer here!)

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                          G-rig on 06/08/2022 - 14:04

                          @INFIDEL: either way it can't hurt and everyone knows exercise is good!
                          humans already sit on their plonker at work and in front of the box way more than what we are designed for, so any non-sedentary movement is a good thing.

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                            INFIDEL on 06/08/2022 - 14:23

                            @G-rig:

                            sit on their plonker at work

                            Oh, I'm far worse - stopped work in my 30's to travel overseas (again), & haven't really bothered going back😊

                            Work was always interesting. My own business helped successful (business, sports, arts) people become more creative & successful, while realising what matters most in their lives. So took my own advice & went exploring.

                            It's a balance / curse of having just enough money & very few responsibilities - not to really have to do anything! So I live a fairly interesting life but avoid unnecessary costs (I am a lapsed hippie🌻).

                            Been on my plonker far too long through this health crisis. Not my first pandemic.

                            Looking forward to spending next few years living overseas, keeping safe. That keeps me very active & involved - hiking in mountains, & learning from locals I meet.

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  G-rig on 04/08/2022 - 03:04

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  Vitamin D Drops with K-2 Vitamin - Liquid Vitamin D 5000 IU and MK7 K2 Vitamin Supplement for Immune Support and Joint Health - Liquid Vitamin D3 with K2 Vitamin MK7 and MCT Oil for Better Absorption https://a.co/d/6RjoVYr

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  G-rig on 05/08/2022 - 04:34

  https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-best-way-to-get-vitamin…

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  INFIDEL on 05/08/2022 - 18:02

  Shouldn't be a shock that supplementation of Vit D is pointless for health care…

  From Forbes, Aug 1: "Stop Taking Vitamin D Already!"

  In 2004, The Lancet published a paper, a massive review of 462 other studies, concluded that taking supplemental vitamin D did not help to prevent heart disease, weight gain, mood disorders, multiple sclerosis, and metabolic disorders, all of which had been linked to lower vitamin D.
  Nope, they said: it appears that low levels of vitamin D are a result of bad health, not the cause.
  And another Lancet paper that year concluded vitamin D supplements do not improve bone density, and they do not reduce the risk of osteoporosis.

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  As someone trained in scientific research design & analysis…
  In statistical terms - research showed a CORRELATION (a relationship) between Low Vit D levels & health problems.

  BUT, importantly research found NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP!!
  ie Low Vit D did not CAUSE the health problems!! but found it is likely "low levels of vitamin D are a result of bad health"

  Proving a CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP - would require a longitudinal study, which is complex, very lengthy, & expensive…
  Now that research has been done!
  (Exciting for those in the field, because these studies are rare.)

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  Discussing in that article, the Vit D research just published:
  So now we’ve spent millions of dollars on a huge new trial, which followed nearly 26,000 men and women for more than 5 years, to see if vitamin D supplements would do anything to prevent bone fractures. (And by “we” I mean U.S. taxpayers, who funded this study through grants from the National Institutes of Health.)

  The result: people who took vitamin D had exactly the same risk of bone fractures as those who didn’t. It didn’t matter how much vitamin D they took, nor did it help if they also took supplemental calcium at 1200 mg per day. And it didn’t help people who had relatively low levels of vitamin D either. Taking vitamin D supplements just didn’t make any difference to anyone.

  So we should stop taking vitamin D–but there’s more. In an editorial accompanying the new study, Steven Cummings and Clifford Rosen point out that “More than 10 million serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D tests are performed annually in the United States.” These tests add costs to our already exorbitant health care system, and they don’t provide patients with any benefit.

  Cummings and Rosen put it bluntly: “providers should stop screening for 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels or recommending vitamin D supplements, and people should stop taking vitamin D supplements to prevent major diseases or extend life.”
  Or as my Hopkins Eliseo Guallar, Lawrence Appel, and Edgar Miller wrote back in 2013, “Enough is enough: stop wasting money on vitamin and mineral supplements.”

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  G-rig on 06/08/2022 - 07:19

  Depends where you live - it's not that hard to believe that about 1 in 5 people are vitamin D deficient in the UK, which can lead to symptoms such as fatigue, depression, muscle soreness etc.

  Good not to be scared of the sun when available for short periods, but obviously have to avoid skin cancer and aging of the skin. Doesn't take long to burn in the QLD sun in summer. The older generations used to think it was good to lie in the sun all day but now they look 20-30y older with crinkly leathery skin.

  Likewise you should be able to get most vitamins and minerals from food (if you are eating properly every meal) but also not hard to fathom people can still be deficient (eg. easy to become vitamin D12 deficient in vegans and non-vegans). Vegetables grown decades ago were richer in vitamins and minerals than they are today, rising C02 levels, soil erosion (nutrient loss), more processed foods.

  Every day Adults should be getting 10 micrograms of Vitamin D, fortified foods are good sources and created through sun exposure; 10-15minutes of peak sun exposure per day is recommended. So it's not hard to believe that people indoors all day in offices and in northern countries with lousy weather, winter months etc.

  So it's recommended to get 2000IU per day of vitamin D2/D3, obviously there are better supplements than these 1000ui capsules as I earlier linked so in that case these are probably pointless.

  https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-…

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