QNAP TS-464 4GB 4-Bay NAS $815 + $14 Postage @ QNAP Shop

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B3 on 18/08/2022 - 15:40 qnapshop.com.au (218 clicks)
Last edited 24/08/2022 - 22:29 by 1 other user

This is the new release QNAP mainstream NAS and quite hard to get hold of in many parts of the world outside of Asia I gather.

Powerful yet efficient, featuring 2.5 Gbe networking, an additional 2 inbuild SSD slots, HDMI output and great expansion options.

https://nascompares.com/review/qnap-ts-464-nas-drive-review-…

Will make a sensational media / Plex server. Stomps all over the Synology equivalent in hardware specs. The main weakness of QNAP is a lack of newbie friendliness in setting up many aspects for non tech types, there is likely to be a learning curve involved for many non-basic aspects of using this NAS.

https://nascompares.com/2022/05/04/synology-ds920-vs-qnap-ts…

Certain people love going on about QNAP security issues but these are resolved and as long as you take basic care you'll be fine. I've had two for the past few years through the various waves of attacks and experienced absolutely zero security issues. QNAP have certainly been motivated to up their security game because of this but yes, they did drop the security ball in various ways in the past.

EDIT: Is now $815 which is a scorcher of a price for such a recent and in demand product! Also a similar price at mwave and Scorptec.

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  O O on 18/08/2022 - 15:46

  +2

  $832.15 if you're willing to use Afterpay.

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    B3 on 18/08/2022 - 15:56

    +1

    Thanks for pointing this out but personally I am not. The 6 bay model (664) isn't on Ebay for some reason but the 4 bay is, which is unsual. I'm also keeping a close eye out for good 664 prices.

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      MOMEHT on 18/08/2022 - 17:59

      Why RRP for this 4-bay model is $1399 and RRP for a similar 6-bay TS-664 is $1313? Shouldn't it be higher?

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    laudalashun on 19/08/2022 - 14:29

    Didn't work as my afterpay limit is $800. Any suggestions?

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  Solrak on 18/08/2022 - 16:16

  +2

  The main weakness of Qnap is the constant security breaches. Not a problem if you close off you Qnap NAS to the internet but then you lose some of the nice features.

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    zoner on 18/08/2022 - 18:39

    -2

    yep, never Qnap again.
    You better off with an external harddrive just to avoid the mallware and ransomware

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  CyberMurning on 18/08/2022 - 16:33

  +1

  and with qnap you cant have different sizes of HDD without wasting spaces.
  with syno you have SHR
  https://kb.synology.com/en-uk/DSM/tutorial/What_is_Synology_…

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  ChatGPT-4 on 18/08/2022 - 16:39

  Any recommended hard drives for this NAS

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    superroach on 18/08/2022 - 16:48

    +2

    Way too broad of a question tbh. But typically someone would go for say 2x of 8TB as a starter. Choose ones that say they are for servers/Video Surveillance, with a lower RPM than other models. They might also highlight they have a higher warranty period than normal.

    But other people may go straight for a 16tb behemonth, but I wouldn't recommend that as a starter unless you know you are really going to use that space on day one.

    Also filling it up with 4x of whatever you want straight away is probably not a great idea (adding and extra drive or two over time is probably the drawcard of these when starting out).

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      ChatGPT-4 on 18/08/2022 - 20:11

      I ended up picking up 2 x 16TB WS Red Pros from Amazon for $875 - looks to be a good deal

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    B3 on 18/08/2022 - 16:53

    What HDD size are you interested in?

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      ChatGPT-4 on 18/08/2022 - 18:23

      I currently have a WD MyCloud EX2 Ultra with pre-installed 2 x 8TB (RAID 1). Mostly like WD Reds and they've been going strong for 5 years now with about 50% capacity. I mostly use it for editing RAW Photographs. I'm hoping this NAS will be able to store and manage photos much faster than the old NAS. In terms of storage, will probably look at getting a similar size/setup.

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  opt on 18/08/2022 - 17:05

  +1

  IMHO these NAS units are ripoffs, these use weak low spec hardware that don’t cost more than $200. For comparison here is a mini PC that has the same CPU but comes with more RAM and even a 512GB SSD for $225. So essentially you are paying over $700 for the software.

  You can build a much more capable PC or get a cheap used PC and install something like Unraid (~$75) to have a much more capable NAS with more features for a fraction of the cost.

  The only counterargument people bring up against DIY PC-based NAS units is power consumption. But even at current high electricity costs, you will not pay anywhere near the money you save going the DIY route on Electricity over the lifetime of the NAS.

  These out of the box NAS units should not cost more than $4~$500.

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    B3 on 18/08/2022 - 17:28

    +8

    Where do 4 hard drives fit into a mini pc?

    I used to think like that too but if you want something to do one thing, I now think it is worth spending extra to get something designed and supported to do exactly that thing by specialists. The same argument gets made for many products. You can build your own routers cheaper than they are sold for, or bicyles, or ladders. It's always going to be cheaper to buy the raw materials and do everything yourself but there's a huge time investment involved and less help available when you have issues.

    There are huge international companies that spend thousands on upmarket NAS devices things at truly outrageous 5 figure prices rather than building their own which would be maybe a tenth of the cost. Why do they do that?

    A NAS uses minimum power possible, minimum space possible, very often the minimum noise possible and crucially minimum time administering it as possible while also providing enough fans and ventilation to keep everything running 24/7 for months on end. Hard drives are hot swappable which means you don't have to reboot to add or remove one.

    If you have an old PC with space to fit a bunch of hard drives in then yes, it's a really good idea to turn it into a network storage device. If you're starting from scratch though it comes down to the relative value you assign to time vs money. Personally I value time more than money these days but if you happen to have different preferences then that is absolutely fine, I hope everything goes great for you.

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      opt on 18/08/2022 - 18:37

      +1

      Where do 4 hard drives fit into a mini pc?

      That was just a reference to show the hardware cost. Obviously you cant fit 4 drives into that Mini PC, you need a bigger case, but plenty of cheap cases out there that will easily fit 4 drives or even more.

      I used to think like that too but if you want something to do one thing, I now think it is worth spending extra to get something designed and supported to do exactly that thing by specialists.

      There are huge international companies that spend thousands on upmarket NAS devices things at truly outrageous 5 figure prices rather than building their own which would be maybe a tenth of the cost. Why do they do that?

      There is nothing special about the hardware in that box, its all consumer grade components stuffed into a cheap case with 4 drive bays and a QNAP label. These are meant for home users. You are comparing apples to oranges. Unraid is a proper linux based NAS+Home sever + virtualization host; if you want real enterprise grade software then are solutions like TrueNAS. There is absolutely nothing about this QNAP product that is enterprise grade or high quality. You are paying for a badge and the promise of ease of use for those who don't know about solutions like Unraid

      A NAS uses minimum power possible, minimum space possible,

      Why do you want to use minimum power possible ? to save money or to be environmentally responsible ? The later I can understand, although if you have Solar power its not going to matter. However if you are thinking of saving money then no, you are not going to save any money getting this QNAP over an old PC or building your own.

      My i7-4770 16GB based PC only consumes 55W (Measured using a power meter at the plug) running 2x HDDs + 1xSSD + 1xDedicated GPU when serving files over the network. This QNAP NAS is rated for 10W without disks, when you add a couple of disks and SSD you will be looking at around 25~30W, which is only ~20W less than my i7. Do your math and see how much that costs in electricity for a year, my estimate is around $50 (@ 30c a KWh).

      and crucially minimum time administering it as possible while also providing enough fans and ventilation to keep everything running 24/7 for months on end.

      Setting up something like Unraid takes about an hour, once you set it up there is nothing to administer.

      As for longevity, my PC is about 7 years old and my HDDs are 8 years old, only had them running as a NAS for a couple of years, but so far no issues, drive temperatures at 31C right now. If you need more fans nothing stops you from adding as many fans to a PC case.

      Hard drives are hot swappable which means you don't have to reboot to add or remove one.

      What is more important to a home user ? hot swappable HDD support or the ability to run different size hard drives, grow your disk array over time, and upgrade your hardware without buying a completely new machine ?

      Having said all that I understand, there are those who just want a plug n play solution or can't bother with a DIY solution. if thats you then go for it by all means, bt don't fool your self into thinking you are getting enterprise grade hardware, software or good value for money.

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        ChipsChicky on 26/09/2022 - 19:55

        Which one is better Unraid or TrueNAS for a beginner DIY approach ? You had IT background or just watched videos and did it ? Can I convert an old laptop to NAS by this approach or shall buy a PC etc. ? Can you share a step by step approach/overview on how to proceed ?

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        ChipsChicky on 27/09/2022 - 10:44

        @opt

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          opt on 27/09/2022 - 12:20

          @ChipsChicky:

          Which one is better Unraid or TrueNAS for a beginner DIY approach ?

          IMHO Unraid because of the community support and plugins.

          You had IT background or just watched videos and did it ?

          I do have an IT background, but installing Unraid on a PC doesn’t require any specialised IT knowledge. Its not much different to installing any other OS (like Windows) from scratch using a bootable USB drive then configuring a few settings.

          Can I convert an old laptop to NAS by this approach or shall buy a PC etc. ?

          While you can install Unraid on a laptop and use it as a NAS + a home server, you probably won’t be able to take full advantage of fault tolerance via RAID unless your laptop supports multiple internal disks (which is unlikely). I’m not sure if you can use multiple external USB drives to create a drive pool with Unraid, but even if you could I don’t think it’ll work reliably. Although you can however share the content of external USB drives via Unraid.

          Can you share a step by step approach/overview on how to proceed ?

          If you simply want a NAS to share files on your network, you don’t necessarily need a dedicated NAS or a run a NAS OS like Unraid, TrueNas etc on a PC. You can use Windows and share folders using built in network sharing features of Windows. Windows even supports RAID. In fact, I used a desktop running Windows Pro as my NAS for many years before installing Unraid.

          Here is a video I found with a quick search on youtube that seems to go over the basics, there are plenty of similar videos that talk about Windows file sharing. If your laptop already has Windows then try using Windows first and see if that is good enough.

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            ChipsChicky on 30/09/2022 - 02:17

            @opt: My main objectives are 1) File Sharing - I have one mac and one windows laptop (not sure if they both can share folders with each other)
            2) Family photos backup.
            How have you done your setup ? Old PC or bought a mini pc like the one in link you mentioned above and how have you included Hard Discs in PC or mini pc ? By some external case ?

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  nicktork on 18/08/2022 - 17:50

  +1

  I have worked with more than a dozen QNAPs in the past, including the rackmount enterprise 8- and 12-bay models as well as the consumer 4-bay ones. Early chassis failures, data loss due to multiple simultaneous unexpected drive failures and the overall support experience puts me off QNAPs.

  I'm now using the Synology rackstation and diskstation equivalents and am very happy, running multiple VMs and Docker containers and using them as iSCSI/NFS targets. Keep them continuously updated and never expose them to the internet and they're great.