Hi All,
My.partner and I are currently sharing a puppy together, she is 5months old. The puppy is registered under his name but i shared all expenses with him (food, toys, including her costs) and i would like to know if i can divide the name under us instead of just his name?
We live in NSW.
Thanks in advance!
yes sorry i mean the council registration! thanks
If it's just council then leave pet under your partner's name.
Any future fines will go to them.
But when they break up he will keep the pet, despite OP bearing half the cost of raising it.
@AustriaBargain: "when they break up" - how long have you been a fortune teller…and what is your verifiable track record?
I did a quick google. It appears it is individual in NSW and they don't even care who it is:
Registration is valid for the lifetime of the pet. If a dog or cat changes owners, there's no need to register the pet again in NSW or pay an additional registration fee.
Is there a specific reason that you want joint ownership? Would a pre-nup cover it?
ah right, thanks for that.
we are currently still dating so no pre-nup, im just worried that if our relationship goes south, he would take the pup away, hence the reason why to co-ownership name
we are currently still dating so no pre-nup, im just worried that if our relationship goes south, he would take the pup away, hence the reason why to co-ownership name
That seems like the real question in your post…
It would just be messy but not unlike anything else "jointly owned". You just have to agree like adults on who gets what.
But speaking in very realistic and practical terms, would you really want to negotiate a "custody sharing agreement" with someone for a dog?
Would you really want to be driving around to each others houses to deliver/pick it up? Do you really want to suggest that you are going to share ongoing costs and make joint decisions as to its welfare, etc.?
I get that people get attached to animals, but I would have thought the sensible view to take is that if the relationship ends, the dog will go one way and the other person will go the other. If you happen to stay friends and see the dog occasionally, then fair enough, but I just think you're setting up expectations that are just not going to happen.
I get that people get attached to animals, but I would have thought the sensible view to take is that if the relationship ends, the dog will go one way and the other person will go the other.
Don't underestimate that attachment to animals.
I personally believe that dogs usually like one owner more than the other and in the case of a breakup/divorce, therefore they should go with their preferred owner so long as that owner wants them and can afford to care for them.
It'd be the same with my dogs. I know the dogs love my wife more. They love me too but more like as a treat dispensary. Dogs are unfair. My wife got valuable time with them as little pups and play with them whereas I do all the things to them that they dont like like washing, giving medicine, etc.
if our relationship goes south, he would take the pup away, hence the reason why to co-ownership name
You get the head, tail for him?
we are currently still dating so no pre-nup, im just worried that if our relationship goes south, he would take the pup away, hence the reason why to co-ownership name
Thanks OP. You just reminded me to check my doggies' registration certs and I am their registered owner. Not my wife.
Then again, not like council registration matters when we both know the dogs love her more, hahaha.
Solomonic judgment: Divide the living pet in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other!
You just started dating someone and you've bought a commitment that lives for 15 years?
Not the smartest thing to do
Yeah it sounds like OP likes the pet more than their boyfriend!
It can be done.
Ive done it.
6 months into dating my wife nearly 15 years ago, we got our first dog together.
The little guy finally passed away this June.
@tallkid123: I'd wager that you're the exception to what would normally happen, especially that early on.
Sorry to hear about your dog passing.
Wow. This will end just fine.
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Wolfie's fine, Wolfie's just fine
Hopefully OP realises that where there is a 'joint asset', it makes no difference whose name its in. If you buy a house and both pay for the mortgage but the house is in the name of one person, doesnt matter
What if the house was already paid off before getting married, but for a decade after getting married the house owner is unemployed and the only income paying for all food/bills/rates/insurance/etc. is from the other partner?
after a decade it's likely to be a marital asset (or whatever the legal term is, IANAL).
By that point it's pretty safe to assume almost all assets are shared ownership, unless an effort was made to prevent one party contributing to it (like if one owned and ran a business prior to marriage), and that if you want to claim 100% ownership of anything you're going to court.
What if a sibling of the person who dies immediately gets a lawyer and makes moves to inherit the assets as soon as they die, trying to deny the wife access to it. Just assume there's no will. If the Widow doesn't think to get their own lawyer, what are their chances of inserting property and saving? And if they did know to get their own lawyer, what would their odds be then? I always assumed the widow gets everything no matter what when there's no will, but now I'm not sure when you guys talk about contributing to a mortgage or not.
@freefall101: It must happens whenever anyone with at least a house worth of assets die. Inhering it can change your life overnight, so it makes some people kinda funny.
@AustriaBargain: if there is no will (intestacy) there is legislation which sets out who gets the assets
keep in mind that distribution of assets after death is done on a completely different basis to distribution of assets after divorce
I think you should seriously consider staying together for the sake of your pet. Dividing assets can get messy.
Registration /= ownership
Neighbours split up after ten years and had joint custody of dog - dog based at original house with weekends and occasional walks at new house.
They stuck with it for three months, but it was a hassle to manage, and they didn't want to see each other that often. Dog ended up with person at original house.
Holla we want pre-pup
We want pre-pup
Sounds positive.
I have shared 60/40 custody of my dog since splitting with my ex husband almost 3 years ago.
Legally I could claim the dog 100%, but he loves his dad too so that would be cruel of me.
We split costs evenly for insurance, vet visits etc. It's actually a great arrangement!
So if there is maturity and respect between both parties it definitely can work.
how can you legally 'claim the dog 100%'?
Because he is registered / microchipped under my name and my address, and all vet visits and treatment etc are sorted/attended by me, all of which counts as proof of ownership, if it came to a 'custody dispute'.
You can no more own a pet than own an Aboriginal person. They are not yours. Even if they might discover the wheel within 50 or 60 thousand years.
At law a dog is classified as property and is captured by the laws of property. Therefore all laws that apply to the ownership of property apply to dogs. A dog can certainly be owned by one or more people.
At law a dog is treated very differently to a person. As you know, you can never own a person but because a dog is classified as property, you certainly do own a dog and ownership can be spread between multiple parties similar to a racing horse for example
Do you mean with council registration?
Is the dog ANKC registered - is that what you mean?
I'm confused.