Holding Carpark Space with Your Body

So, went to Floriade Canberra today and they got a public carpark attach to it. We went around and were about to leave as there were no free carpark when we saw this car leaving. Drove up and then this lady came and just stand in the middle of the free space when we were already blinking.

Asked her to move aside and her next line was she is reserving the space for her family car!! Like wtf??? Is that really something in Australia where you reserve a carpark by standing in it?!! Especially in a public space?!! Like every single car were doing the right thing by going around and looking for a space and this lady who by the way speak really well English just walk up to the car space and stand there saying she is reserving it! Told her there are not such thing in Australia and she still didn't move. We gave up and just thought some people does not know the rule of the country they are living in.

Later on, i was enjoying the flowers display with my family and she came to harass me and threatened my family inside Floriade as she didn't appreciate I told her that no one do that in Australia! It might be a thing in India or Asia but not here (as I'm Asian myself and saw it there)! So, now I'm just wondering if this is a new rule and if I should do the same next time as it's seems that covid have make people totally out of mind?!!

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    • +5

      Yes, that's what I imagine I'd do too, if I could afford to spend time sitting there (eg could send the other passengers off to do whatever it was we were there for).

  • +5

    Reminds me of Cabramatta shenanigans: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=400435715598551

    • Seriously do these people have no shame? They need to be taught a lesson, that sort of bs is not tolerated here.

      • +1

        My question is ore like what law can do for this? Number plate is visible and police can issue fine. We need to bring it to lawmakers attention. We have fines for pretty much everything and why cant a fine for these arrogant behaviors?

  • +2

    Why didn't you just tell her the space wasn't large enough for her ego let alone her Elephant? lol

  • +3

    the way I think is a "game theory": one have made a dick move in a car park, now the other party know where exactly his car is parked at.

    How big of a risk is it for the car parked at that spot (tyre getting deflated, coffee/coke spilled on windshield, missing number plate, or even more serious damage like paint scratch etc)

    vs

    how much of a reward (convenience, time saved, good feeling "defeating" the other party etc.) one will get.

    Although I never wanted to be the guy doing the damage, I still follow the rules of this game theory, trying my best to avoid fighting for a car park spot.

    • +3

      Yep. There's just so little to gain with these interactions. It's almost never worth it.

    • +2

      The trick is to first win the spot, then wait 2 minutes in it (for them to leave and be sure they are gone) and then leave the spot and park far away elsewhere.

      Then the battle is won, any petty revenue is unlikely to be exacted as it’s extremely unlikely some poor person with the exact same car make model and colour will
      Park in that spot.

      Its petty life skills 101 😂

  • +10

    Simply tell her, now that I know where your car is (going to be) parked, you might want to reconsider parking somewhere else. A battle where nobody win have just started because of your dick move, now neither of us can park at this spot.

  • +6

    One time a guy blatantly stole my spot from me, but he got his karma, someone broke his wiper. I would at least have honked at the lady to get out of the way.

    • +8

      "someone"

      xD

  • +36

    Definitely not a thing and actually illegal as road rules apply to road related areas such as public car parks. It's reg 236 points 1 and 2: "A pedestrian must not cause a traffic hazard by moving into the path of a driver" and "A pedestrian must not unreasonably obstruct the path of any driver or another pedestrian."

  • everyone will do it when needed, years ago at work one contractor blocked the spot as he wanted his friend to get it. but i should have just parked the car in front of him, sooner or later hell have to start his shift lol.

    • -1

      Gee, how racist is it when a person of Asian descent complains about another person of Asian descent.

      oUTraGEOus

      • +2

        It's still racism.

        • You’re still wrong

  • +2

    has happened to me. just told them to move or I'd drive over them. They didn't move…at first. Quick verbal exchange after…quick because I let them know what I was about to do to them would hurt a lot more than a car slowly pushing them aside. nothing racist, I just wont tolerate garbage.

    • And what would you have done to them? You understand assault is a crime right? You can go to court, go to jail? I can't see what the benefit is?

      • Probably would've sucked them off. Last time someone tried to fight me, I sucked them off and they never messed around again.

        • But they still text you late at night every Friday right? Friends for life, good strategy, I like it!

      • didnt need to do anything…the arrogant scum moved.

    • +9

      How do you know they identify as she?

      • Drove up and then this Indian lady came

        • +12

          I wish I had that ability.

        • +4

          That's assuming her gender though. She may not identify as indian either.

  • +9

    OP is allowed to be / sound racist as they aren't white.

    • +1

      So it seems.

    • +1

      Hahaha. Yep. It’s not racist if I’m a minority too

    • Can't be racist if you hate every race equally.

  • +3

    I would havs just sat there with my horn on continuously for 5 minutes or until they moved.

  • -7

    Never a good idea idea to say we don't do this in Australia… like it or not that is inflammatory/aggressive. I would've shrugged my shoulders in a very annoyed manner and maybe flap my arms off the steering wheel in a WTF gesture and move on. But, i have seen it done and i can understand it, and i think it is ok, but marginal. Reason is that some drivers really have terrible trouble backing up and parking etc, and they may have screaming kids or mother in laws in the car. Maybe it's a young daughter with L plates… Last thing you want is for them to try manouvre into a tricky spot and scratch your car. Should those incompetent people be driving? Yes, they will get better (hopefully). Maybe it's a stubborn 80yo father who still insists to drive…. I tend to be nice in these situations.

    My pet pieve is when these people return to the car and you wait for them to leave, they then take 7 minutes getting into the car and then don't move because they want to wait for another person to come but totally ignore me standing there with indicator waiting for them to leave…

    You get these people, and yes they are mostly foreign, elderly or whatever. Deal with it…. give them a beep or an annoyed look, but don't tell them we don't do that in Australia.

    • "mother in laws in the car"

      If you said this out loud to your partner or mother in law, she might take that as being inflammatory & you may find yourself sleeping on the couch.

  • +3

    put up a vote!

  • +3

    Haven't had it happen to me yet thank goodness, but watching the videos makes my blood boil.

    To those few that think it's no big deal, it would be like a checkout opening up in a busy supermarket, and as people start to move their laden trolleys over to it, a family gets their kid to run over to be first in line, AND prevent others from putting their groceries on the belt, and instead wait until the family eventually meander up to the front of the queue. No way that would be seen as acceptable.

    • +3

      Shit people & families everywhere of all races & socio economic levels.

    • +2

      Don't give them any ideas.

  • +12

    The fact that you made this a racial issue rather than a "Some random individual is selfish/braindead" issue is really dumb.
    I had a (now former) family member who was as Aussie bogan as they come and their family did this same garbage for parking spots. It's not cultural, selfish arseholes exist in all cultures.

    Next time just run them over and move on with your day.

  • +4

    Unfortunately it may be part of life in India where you are fighting for every little thing or you will go without.

    100% agree that what she did was wrong & she should change her ways to 1. follow road laws & 2. better integrate into Australian society.

    When I went to India to visit some friends I met in Aus (they were studying here) & caught the train, even amongst others that have all bought tickets were fighting to get on first. When I was with my friend, whenever we got out of the car he said that you have to push, which was foreign to me. There is no queuing system there otherwise you will be waiting all day.

    The videos on youtube at train stations in India ( it looks like complete chaos) is probably an everyday thing there.

  • +1

    If that was me, I would just stop the car in front of her and block her car from coming in and wait to see who has more patience and even threaten to call Police if she doesn’t move.

  • +3

    I remember mum making me do this as a kid. Yes, we are asian

    • +5

      Was her car all scratched up?

      • +2

        Of course, women's cars are always scratched up.

        • -1

          There's one more obvious factor contributing to the damaged car here, which creates a synergy effect with the female factor.

    • +1

      can't remember. all i remember is being told to stand in spots on more than one occasion lol

  • +17

    She is breaking the road rules by obstructing access to the parking space.

    Just pull in as far as you safely can without touching her, then sit on the horn.

    • +2

      This is the way.

    • +1

      Thank god for this comment in regards to road rules but I wouldn't deal with people like this. One day she will meet bikies and gang that will be end of her.

    • +2

      Rev the engine as well.

    • -2

      then sit on the horn.

      And that's not breaking the road rules?

      • Ok to use the horn if
        "necessary to use the horn, or warning device, to warn other road users or animals of the approach or position of the vehicle,"

        She was about to be run over, definitely necessary to warn her.

        • -4

          Ok to use the horn if
          "necessary to use the horn, or warning device, to warn other road users or animals of the approach or position of the vehicle,"

          She was about to be run over, definitely necessary to warn her.

          Why exactly was she about to be run over, in a parking lot, at crawling speeds, when you've clearly seen her being there, and when you could simply stop the car to avoid running her over? Unless you intend to purposely run her over of course (which would entail years of quality time with big Jim in a prison shower where annoying pedestrians would be the least of your worries). If you haven't seen her there, what exactly are you honking for? It's illegal either ways and there will be nothing good coming out.

          Not to mention warning a road user of the car's position is very different from wanting to "sit on the horn". The courts are pretty harsh about this one, and will almost certainly slap you with a nasty fine that could run into the thousands depending on local laws.

          • @CocaKoala: You are allowed to use your horn to 'warn animals to get off the road'. Case closed.

  • +8

    I hate when racist gets thrown around and it diminishes from when people are actually racist. But sorry OP, your thought patterns was racist from the beginning. The first thing you point out is the race of the person (after 1 incident) and then go on to say they can do it in their country but not in australia. Heres the thing, I have seen people using their bodies to hold parking spaces from a lot of different races.

    IS it a rule, No its not a rule and its common courtesy and polite to not do that. But a lot of people are not as polite or treat others with common courtesy as they used to. I definitely dont like it when people do that as technically i feel its meant to be the first car there, not the first person. But at the same until parking spaces actually hand out punishments for this, sadly some people will do it. And yes generally you probably will find this in more populated and less polite / every man for himself type countries like a lot of countries in Asia. But I have found people from many races including white people / europeans do it. It boils down to how desperate people get and how frustrated / impatient they are and also if they are selfish or not

    And there is nothing wrong with calmly pointing out that that kind of thing isnt generally done in Australia, problem is it is becoming more and more commonplace and secondly the parking lots dont actually generally make a rule that you cant do it, so it becomes a grey area. Its hard to convince people that politeness or common courtesy is the same as a rule.

    The problem is though, you seemed to have straightaway identified the person as from a specific country and that alone is the reason for their actions and for you to "educate" them. Which probably means you also came across racist when you spoke with them.

    • +6

      It is a rule actually.

      • I have never seen any car parks stipulating that people can't reserve a spot without a car. Not saying there aren't car parks that actually put up that information but I have never seen in.

        • +1

          If one can argue a person is appropriate to stand there to reserve a parking space, I can also argue that I in fact have placed a tiny stone on each parking bay and therefore they have all already been reserved by me before anyone stands there.

          • @wtfnodeal: I never said it was the right thing. I said problem lies in the fact that it's not really advertised or pushed or punished. Geez if people will read what others wrote before jumping on and commenting….

            • +1

              @lonewolf: Because it is generally understood that a car space is for a car and those loading, motorcycle bays etc are otherwise marked accordingly.

              • @wtfnodeal: The problem isnt that. The problem is some people feel first come can mean as long as a person is there first and not necessarily inside a car. As cars are generally a extension of the person when the are driving it or at least that's how people feel while they are driving.

                • +1

                  @lonewolf: A car bay is dedicated for a car to be parked there not for a human body to be parked there. How hard is it to understand? There is no extension to whatever the person believes because cars are cars otherwise everything is open to interpretation in favour of whoever interprets it.

                  • +1

                    @wtfnodeal: Obviously judging by a lot of peoples experiences on here, there are alot of people out there who feel as long as the person is there first that is the first come first serve. Its not going to change as long as parking lots dont punish them or at least make it blatantly obvious in signage etc that this is not allowed. And right now, cars will always have a person in there during parking, so the person can then claim that its about the person being there first, this may change once driverless parking becomes far more common.

                    And at the end of the day its about the person using the spot and paying for the spot, not the car, so people can still use that as a means of claiming as long as they are there first….

                    • +1

                      @lonewolf: You know cars and humans are separate legal entities? If your car is at the wrong spot it is your car get towed not you but you as the owner of the car will be penalised. Paid parking or free parking is irrelevant as that is just a condition for occupying a car bay. The spots are for cars not for humans meaning one cannot set up a tent on it and live there. If it is a privately owned car park then it is up to the owner to make its own rules and it decides cars and humans can share the same parking spot so be it but if you try to do ‘human parking’ on a city/council owned car park see if you will get away with it. A lot of people do the wrong things doesn’t make it a right thing to do.

                      • @wtfnodeal: umm, I think you really need to go read what i write because you seem to be making a lot of crazy assumptions,. There is something wrong with the way you are comprehending what i am writing. You keep seeming to assume I think its ok for people to do this, I have always stated from the very beginning i dont agree with it neither do i like it. I said THOUGH the way to stop it is to enforce punishments or at least better signage otherwise it means the parking lots dont really care enough about this issue.

                        But you seem to keep trying to lecture me as if i think its ok ….??? If you have frustrations you need to get out, go do it somewhere else, I have been cordial for long enough but sick of how you keep trying to lecture me on things that i never even said.

                        • @lonewolf: No. You have problems understanding my comments. I don’t lecture anyone but simply stating the fact that cars are cars, humans are humans, car parking bays are generally understood for cars, the wrong doings of humans are wrong doings of humans. One human body parks on a car parking bay is irrelevant whether that human body has an actual car or not and whether it is on its way to occupy such parking bay. Paid or free parkings are also irrelevant to the above facts. If the car park is privately owned it is up to the owner whether it wants to allow car parking bays be shared between human bodies and cars. If you think regardless of whether it is wrong for a human body to park on a car parking bay but everyone is doing it anyway then it is up to the one who has authority to act against those who don’t follow the rules set by the owner. If no rules are clearly stated at the car park entrance then it can exercise its rights at its discretion as the owner of the private property to ban whoever from entering its property. If you are not happy with no rules set for a particular car park just don’t park there. We all live in a world there isn’t always justice, fairness or whatever you call it and people break the laws or rules without consequences that is just part of life. You just need to ask yourself even everyone is doing the wrongs and you want to be one of them or not.

                          • @wtfnodeal: Lost the plot mate. No idea if this is just trolling. In order to resolve any issue you need to first understand the problem and the reason why people do what they do . Otherwise you will never resolve the issue and it looks like you aren't interested in resolving the problem. Just in venting and lecturing. Your comments even have nothing to do with me but yet you keep replying to my comments.

                            • @lonewolf: I fully understand what exactly is the problem but I think you don’t understand the possible solutions I have suggested by simply stating the facts. Well, I am done here and won’t be replying to any more of your comments.

        • It's not a car park rule, it's a road rule, ie the law.

          • +1

            @trapper: It depends on whether it is a public or privately owned car park.

            • -1

              @wtfnodeal: The law doesn't differentiate between public and private property when it comes to where the road rules apply.

              The only difference is that it is 'reasonable' to obstruct a parking space if you own it yourself or are acting under the authority of the owner.

              ie, a Woolworth worker can close or hold a space in a Woolworths car park, but a random woman off the street can't.

              • +1

                @trapper: Not if the car park owner has specifically stated drivers are allowed to reserve parking spots by having their own nominated persons stand on the parking spots on their behalf.
                I don’t think Woolworths owns any shopping centres but say if Westfield has some specific shopping centres allow the customers to do so (you know some have valet parking services), I don’t believe it is against the rules/laws apply to public car parks.

                • @wtfnodeal: The road rules still apply.

                  The requirement is that a pedestrian may not unreasonably obstruct the path of any driver.

                  If the person is acting on the authority of the owner, then it is not unreasonable. That is all.

                  • @trapper: “stated drivers are allowed…”, which means drivers have authorities. That is all.

              • @trapper: I have always been told its the opposite as in if its a private car park then the road laws dont automatically apply.

                • @lonewolf: Oh you shouldn’t tell him what he doesn’t want to know otherwise he will call you an idiot.

    • +1

      Dude you just called a non white person racist, that's pretty racist.

      • Haha, I am a non white person.

        • Haha, I am a non white person.

          Righty-o, I forgot that only white people could be racist.👍

      • Dude you just called a non white person racist, that's pretty racist.

    • +2

      Asians are some of the most racist people you will ever meet. The thing is, they make no efforts to deny or hide it. The issue Australians have with racism is that we try very hard to build a multicultural society where racism doesn't exist and every time there is even a hint of racism we get raked across the coals for it. What we seem to forget is that most of the world is blatantly racist with no feelings of shame about it at all. We just hold ourselves to a different standard here is all.

      • +1

        100%, having lived in a few countries before Australia and some of them being in the Asian continent. As a dark skinned Asian person by far the most racism I have ever encountered was easily from the Asian countries I lived in. I would get spat on ,bullied, pushed around , called all sort of words and even teachers would get in on it. It was basically treated like a fact and that we should accept our place in society.

        Even in Australia I cop more racism from other Asians than I do from other ethnic groups.

  • I usually do this with shopping trolleys, send the mrs in to reserve one while i park the car…

    End sarcasm.

  • +7

    Definitely not on. I doubt I'd have the patience to sit there and wait for them to move, but I'd probably park half in for at least 5-10 mins if I had time. This idiotic, entitled behaviour shouldn't go unpunished. Car parks are first come, first serve, and you need to be in a CAR to use a space.

    For what it's worth, idiots like this come from all walks of life, so I don't think your discussion of their ethnicity relevant at all. In Surry Hills I've seen a fair few preppy white guys try to hold STREET spaces this way (even worse than a parking lot imo). On one occasion, the driver wasn't having it and just slowly crept forward in his ute. Ended up with the cops being called and all involved being told off by the cops lol

    • +2

      I wonder how much time that wasted for everyone? That's what I wonder with all the ppl saying they'd wait for police, or just sit in their cars. I'm trying to get shit done, I don't have time to let a 10sec annoyance balloon into 30mins or an hr. Stuff that.

      • Trouble is it's not necessarily a 10s annoyance, if you give up you may find another parking spot 10s later, or you might drive around for another 30m trying to find one.

        Bird in the hand.

        • 30mins? Really? I guess I'm just not going to those kinds of shopping centers. That definitely IS pretty annoying in that case. I know around xmas I used to get pretty stressed trying to find parks.

          • +1

            @Sxio: Yup, I just avoid going to any places that have terrible parking . Or at least I avoid them during the peak times. Not worth my time

            • +1

              @lonewolf: Same. It really feels like some aspects of our society are designed to bring out the worst in people. There's some shopping centers in Brisbane where the parking is such a nightmare, but those are the only places to go in those areas.

              • @Sxio: I am surprised people spend so much time and mental effort going to shopping centres where parking is not designed well or does not have enough compared to the patronage. I dont go to Parra Westfields on weekends, I dont go to Mac Centre during weekday lunch time periods and i avoid most of these places during the leadup to xmas shopping. There are so many other shopping centres and options around as well as different time slots and online etc.

                • +1

                  @lonewolf: Plus online. But I have friends who WANT to go to these places at lunchtime on the weekend to get food. It's just not my bag. I was at westfield chermside on new years day a few years ago and I turned to the kids and said "This is hell" as we dived into the crowd. It was awful.

                  • @Sxio: I remember i had purchased a movie ticket to watch the first star wars disney movie (dont even get me started) and ended up missing the first 45 minutes and having to get credit to purchase it again. It took me about an hour to find parking as it was xmas shopping period (Mac Centre, parking here is so disorganised and so many different and separated lots so you have to keep going out and back in from other street entrances). I work near there but refuse to go there for lunch unless i walk there as parking is just a nightmare during lunchtimes.

                    Same thing happened twice to me when i went to Parra Westfields on weekends around afternoon period to meet up with some friends. I tell everyone these days I refuse to go there for the most part unless I am sure it will be quiet.

                    • @lonewolf: An hr??? That's the worst I've ever heard of. That's terrible! I can see why you're picking your times now. Stuff doing that again.

                      • @Sxio: Yeah and worst part was I was meeting my girlfriend's extended family for the first time. By the time I parked and met them I was so tired and frustrated…( Parra Westfield's was this experience and the first time took me more than an hour and second time about 40 minutes).

          • +1

            @Sxio: I used 30m as you mentioned that amount, and the post you replied to mentioned Surry Hills, where there literally may not be other parking spaces available or becoming free, so the urge to get the space in front of you, being blocked, would be strong.

            But I have gone around and around in Macquarie Centre for around 30m more than once and given up, and drove back home, or elsewhere.

  • +8

    Definitely not a race thing. I’ve seen older ‘white’ Australian’s doing it plenty of times. It used to be more prevalent in the 80’s and 90’s.

    Does it piss me off? Yes,

    Do I care enough to do something about it? Not any more.

  • The only time this might be exceptable is if say they genuinely have a person who is either temporarily disabled or disabled and cant find a disabled spot.

    I personally never have a problem finding parking spots as it doesnt worry me if i have to walk a bit.

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