TAFE - Diploma in Leadership and Management

b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 10:58

Sorry, for a newbie question.

But I’ve been recently looking at some online courses and found this https://www.tafensw.edu.au/course/-/c/c/BSB50420-01/Diploma-…

And I’m not very sure if diploma from TAFE would be worth doing - I’ve been working in IT for a decade now and never did a course from TAFE (education completed overseas).

So any thoughts or reviews on tafe or specifically this course? I already have a diploma and a degree in a different field but keen to know if it’ll be worth.

And generally are the diploma or degree from Tafe recognised?

Education & Work TAFE

Comments

  • AndyC1 on 24/09/2022 - 11:05

    Why do you want to do a course in leadership/management?
    What do you want out of the course?
    Does the company managers above you have an attitude that you need a management course to be a manager? (BTW seen this in some companies and they want an MBA, not a diploma)

    • ToyotaCrownHybrid on 24/09/2022 - 11:16

      MBA is usually more of a prerequisite when going into a C Level role which for someone without a bachelor requires real management level experience.

      What sort of role is @b0nd wanting? The potential for moving into a Team Lead role and then into management may be more successful than getting a TAFE diploma and trying to apply from there, most places want experienced leads for management roles.
      In saying that, doing a diploma may help, I wouldn't drop working or go part time to study it though, just after work or if you're in a cruisey WFH job and can study remotely.

      • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:26

        MBA seems to be a long term commitment and that too, it’s not 100% online, so May or may not work.

        And yes, I’m already into a lead position, doing technical stuff and managing resources

  • AngoraFish on 24/09/2022 - 11:12
    +3

    I haven't noticed any concerns about TAFE qualifications, even degrees. They tend to be very practically focused and that's what the people hiring for relevant positions are typically looking for.

    Ultimately it's just resume padding, but if you're applying for supervisory positions it will certainly help you stand out from other applicants and give you the jargon to spin the interview better.

    Just remember that there will be actual work involved. Mature age students with a genuine goal to aim for and an interest in the subjects tend to do very well, but if you're going to resent homework eating into your Netflix time then you could easily end up losing your money for no gain. The drop out rate for online-only courses is insanely high, often 80% or more.

  • bobbified on 24/09/2022 - 11:18
    +1

    I’ve been working in IT for a decade now

    If you've been working in IT for a decade and haven't made the move to management yet, the chances are you:
    (a) either haven't wanted to and prefer the technical side of things or
    (b) people don't think you have the soft skills required in a person to be a good manager.

    Either way, doing a leadership and management course probably isn't going to help you very much. These types of TAFE courses are generally designed for people who are already in that position and would like to "improve". If you do have the skills necessary to go into management then go (and learn on the job). If you don't have the soft skills, then a course is unlikely to change that.

    Experience matters much more than just qualifications.

    • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:25
      +1

      I’m already into a managerial position :)

      • bobbified on 24/09/2022 - 11:26

        So what are you hoping to get out of a course like this?

        • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:27

          Qualification, maybe? Hence wanted to check if TAFE looks good on resume and is considered in the market?

          • bobbified on 24/09/2022 - 11:30
            +3

            @b0nd: That "qualification" isn't likely to get you anywhere that you can't already go with experience.

            I'm in senior corporate management (with a tech background as well) and I've been able to move around quite freely and easily in different senior roles just because of my soft skills. I have a Certificate II in Accounting. haha.

            Everything, including all my tech knowledge, was learnt on the job and noone has ever asked for a qualification.

            • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:34

              @bobbified: Yeah makes sense

              • bobbified on 24/09/2022 - 11:36
                +1

                @b0nd: Sometimes it's good to use something like that to set your resume apart from others (but I wouldn't go out of my way for it) - especially at the beginning of your career. But for someone like yourself who's this far in, it's almost pointless.

    • 2esc on 25/09/2022 - 09:14

      Soft skills i dont think ive ever seen that in management.

  • Ughhh on 24/09/2022 - 11:21

    Hmm I would assume experience > than a course, especially for something like leadership. Having the paper or a title of a leadership role doesn't mean you'll be good leader or be respected as a leader. You'll need the soft skills to back it up.

    • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:27

      Agree

  • [Deactivated] on 24/09/2022 - 11:26

    This course is useless.

    • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 11:27

      Oops, you did it ?

      • [Deactivated] on 25/09/2022 - 09:00

        Never. It is very clear to me that this course is just fluff.

    • Ultimate Gattai on 26/09/2022 - 01:21

      I personally believe you don't need these kinds of courses, management is something you can learn through experience, but having the ability to be a good manage is partially innate to that person, some people are good at managing people and businesses, some should never do it.

  • Italkdigital on 24/09/2022 - 14:24
    +1

    Should consider doing Certificate 4 in Trainiing and Assessment, gives you the opportunity to teach at a TAFE or RTO, of course teaching in I.T unless you have other experiences or certificates

    Not sure what a leadership or management certificate would help you in job prospects when your background is I.T

    But maybe i shouldve read above posts lolz 😆

    • b0nd on 24/09/2022 - 14:59

      This sounds interesting - hopefully we have something 100% online

      • pharkurnell on 24/09/2022 - 18:17

        why does it have to be 100% online?

      • Italkdigital on 25/09/2022 - 03:15

        Impossible you need to demonstrate live teaching in front to other students as part of your assessment, this aint kindergarten teaching for real teaching, teachers for TAFE and RTO's, only parts of it is online

  • Wiadro on 24/09/2022 - 15:51
    +2

    i dont have a diploma in management and I have around 112 direct reports.
    i just know how to talk to people

    • kiitos on 27/09/2022 - 16:29

      How do you manage that many direct reports?

      • b0nd on 06/10/2022 - 15:15

        by not managing them ? lol

  • PumpkinHater on 24/09/2022 - 16:17
    +1

    As someone who has spent close to 15 years working in a variety of positions in TAFE, this qualification is useless. TAFE diplomas are recognised but apart from some very niche areas you won't really be able to find a job with them.

    This qual will certainly look good on a resume but perish the thought of getting a certain position due to this qual.

    • b0nd on 06/10/2022 - 15:16

      Yeah, might look good on my resume, even though I don't bother learning a lot from this course, as real exp comes from real-world experiences rather a certificate. My motive was to stand out - when people are filtering resumes for higher levels.

  • Lastchancetosee on 25/09/2022 - 12:08
    +1

    As you're experienced, you might consider applying for Recognition of Prior Learning to get credit for a Cert IV in Management. It's a pretty painless way to validate your skills. If you're planning on being a high flyer, a good option is to do the Company Director's course, which covers financials and governance.

    Re online learning, there are excellent undergraduate and postgraduate offerings with all or most of the content online depending on the course. They are designed for adult working learners, so are flexible and you can manage your own study to a large extent. UniSA, Swinburne, Open Universities Australia all offer quality online courses.

  • star7ztuws on 06/10/2022 - 00:55
    +1

    I studied this course with TrainSmart: https://tsa.edu.au/courses/business-management/diploma-of-le…

    It's a good balance of practical learning and theory. I found it useful in formalising my previous work experience (I've worked in leadership roles for the last three years with no formal training!) as well as giving me some new skills to be more organised, confident and take on more responsibility.

  • Euphemistic on 11/10/2022 - 16:10
    +1

    Sounds like the kind of course a business wastes a lot of money on to up their ‘training’ quota and give employees a false sense of worth.

    Might look good on a resume, but I’d want someone else to stump up the time and money to do it.

  • daft009 on 16/10/2022 - 03:15

    This course was made free during the first lockdown in march 2020.

    I enrolled thinking I'd have nothing to do so might learn couple of things…

    But my business was so busy I never did any of the TAFE work. I just might still have the PDFs of the first module

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