With the prices of petrol rising and my budget is so tight at the moment traveling Brisbane and Gold Coast everyday, car is a Nissan Juke 2014.
Previous owner recommended 95 and above, can I mix half 91 and 95, or perhaps just use 91? Will the engine knock? Has anyone done this before and what did you notice?
Thanks
yeah sure, like getting mortgages then cash rate rises so they have to sell, stupid people right? so petrol prices rising, people now struggling to fill the tanks, so stupid…
@kiwiyonip: I know petrol prices are a rort, but realistically you are only forking out an extra $20-30 for a full tank a week. If people are struggling to fork that minimal amount, they got serious financial stress.
@kiwiyonip: Yeah, if they couldn't figure out that rates fluctuate, as they always have, they are pretty stupid.
people now struggling to fill the tanks
If money is that tight, sell the juke, and buy something that's fuel efficient, and uses 91.
Because things change and why the hell would you not know what goes on in someone else's life? Why do you imagine that you know everything that led to that point of a persons decision?
Use a rotating cycle of E10 and BP ulitimate. 1 full tank at a time. Ultimate is the best fuel available publicly. Lots of the cars with very expensive engines at summernats run E10… which is perfectly fine for cars made in the last 20 years..
well i thought i'd seen it all.
Nissans requiring Premium unleaded.
How about that. Surely you buy a korean or japanese to avoid having to use premium.
Yeah, wouldn't do it. 95 is the minimum rating.
New Camrys need premium
move
This car is economical for fuel usage e.g. expect 9L/100km. Why wouldn't you just use the correct fuel in it and save the trouble? I would suggest driving earlier or later to avoid traffic. I'd also buy fuel from the cheapest service station on the cheapest day of the week. Yes it is a bummer that the cost of fuel keeps rising and you cannot use the cheapest fuel.
Simple rule. Find out what the minimum RON rating is for your vehicle and use that fuel. If you dam blend two to average that minimum, there’s nothing stopping you from doing that - except it’s extra effort for very little gain.
You need E10 with 95ron rating instead of the commonly available 94ron E10. Save yourself the trouble and just use premium unleaded instead. Take the ron rating into consideration when buying your next car. Fuel savings is cheap compared to a new engine or an engine rebuild.
Use E10. It's close enough to 95 in octane, and because ethanol cools the cylinders when it vaporises it provides additional knock resistance. I ran a tuned turbo falcon on E10 and it dyno'd at about 95% of the power that 98 would.
Whats the point of mixing fuels?
If you mix 91 and 95 your fuel really just becomes whatever the 91 fuel is. You dont get somewhere in between the two. Pick one or the other.
How much $ are you really saving by having 20L of 91 and 20L of 95?
$5-$10 per tank of petrol? You would save more by driving less or keeping your car in econ mode and going light on the pedals.
There are more valueable avenues to cut costs and i dont think this is one of them OP. Skipping on 2 cups of coffee will net you the same benefit as blending your own petrol.
My shitty 2006 Accord Euro has been acting strangely lately. Loss of power, engine check light, VSA off etc etc.
I've never had it before but only just found out that my lovely wife has been putting 91 in it instead of the recommended 95 and I'm putting it down to that. Taking it to a mechanic this weekend, wish me luck!
Side note: a nissan JUKE requires 95 ???????? double whammy bad.
No doubt it’s not great running the wrong fuel. Before you blame your Wife for the lights I’d get the codes read out. VSA is vehicle stability.
don't have a code reader. Bringing it to a mechanic tmr :'(
I have been using E10 without problem on a 2005 Accord Euro. I think once you go back to E10 it will be fine. VSA has nothing to do with engine.
E10 is Ron94 though not 91.
Yes I understand. This is FYI.
How many km are you doing a week that these few cents a litre are going to add up to big savings?
Get outta here with your reasoning and logical thinking. 10 cents is 10 cents you know?
Nissan says 91 octane won't damage the engine, and can be used if its the only thing available. That is, it has a knock sensor that backs off the ignition advance if it detects possible engine damage, but that reduces power and fuel economy.
But 95 is recommended. That's what its designed to use.
Internet logic says you will end up with 186 petrol, go for it.
Nissan Juke is no top shelf item, but I have never been able to understand people with no pride of ownership. It's still your car that you paid money for, and it safely takes you around or out of town, rain or shine. It's been engineered and built by professionals with enormous amounts of experience who also spent an insignificant amount of time putting together an user manual so you could look after you car with great ease.
I think it's safe to assume that you're not an expert in cars or internal combustion engines (purely based on this little post of yours). Therefore If I were you I would follow the instructions in the aforementioned user manual.
That's unless you fancy paying for a new engine or some major expensive repairs in the best case. May be take the bus or walk otherwise if "cheap" is the only thing you could think about. If that's not an option then you know why you need to care for your car.
People worry about the fuel and then not change oil or service beyond 10,000k after intervals
It's not a Ferrari, e10, 91,95, 98 all good.
You need 95 fuel because your engine has a turbo and the higher compression requires higher RON fuel to prevent knock. That said, all cars have knock sensors that listen for knocking and then adjust the fuel ratio and timings to prevent knock. This comes at the expense of power and maybe efficiency?
Best option is to get a bluetooth ODB2 dongle, pair it to your phone and then watch "Knock retard" and "cylinder misfirings" data. Experiment with different fuel mixtures until your happy
All the people saying to use 94ron e10 as a substitute for 95ron premium unleaded - it’s not the same thing. Even if the Ron is close.
Explain?
NSW government and FCAI state that 94 Ron e10 is not suitable for vehicles that require 95 Ron fuel as they are made from a base of 91 Ron fuel and still have a high sulpher content.
Also there are some cars that require 95 ron fuel and are compatible with e10, but only if that e10 is still 95 ron (any new Camry hybrid is an example) Which isn’t available in Australia anyway.
If you can't afford the correct fuel, then you bought the wrong car.
You can use E10. also you can alternate between E10 & 95 if you do not want to run completely on E10.
E10/91 is similar in terms of sulphur ppm etc.
95+91 do da maf
Asking for myself, is e10 works alright for vw golf? Sometimes 7/11 in my area just out of 98 and i’m just a bit lazy to drive around looking for fuels.
What engine. If it's the 1.4 you'll regret it. #4 piston will complain.
1.4 it is, guess imma keep driving around for 98 dang
What's wrong with 95ron like it says on the fuel flap?
@KanTakahashi: What's wrong with using the other brands? Plenty of BP, Shell & Ampol and several independents with competitively priced U95.
@brad1-8tsi: 7-11 fuel lock (chopper, if you know you know) is the cheapest option. Competitive is not really a thing around Canberra to be honest, ampol, bp, coles express, united are all $2/l in average (unleaded 95).
My Skoda Octavia required 95ron minimum.
The vehicle had a problem when it was a few months old and they gave me a tank of fuel to compensate me. They put 91ron in.
Torque was significantly less. Fuel consumption increased. On a cents per km basis it was more expensive to run. The cheapest fuel on a cents/km measure was 98ron.
My kids run an Accord Euro. It's supposed to have 95ron. They run it on 94ron e10. The car was touch-parked by their grandfather for 5 years. It's been in 3 hailstorms. It toddles around the suburbs. It cost us nothing, We don't really care.
Been using e10, 91 and 95 in mix on camry 2013 altise no issues till date.
E10 cheap but runs out quickly.
91 cheap but runs a little more than e10.
95 expensive but gives 10% more than 91 and around 20% more than e10.
95 better for engine, feel difference while driving.
A Camry is not turbocharged. The compressed intake air of the Juke is very likely hotter and requires higher ron to prevent knock.
A Camry is not turbocharged
Unless it's the fully sick types.
They were Aurions, which were supercharged, unless I missed a turbo Camry somewhere along the line.
@BartholemewH: The aurions had normal atmo v6 engines.
Fully sick cars are those that have been though Habib's backyard workshop and have things "done" to them (lowered, turbo, blowoff valve, neon decals, cat con delete, full tint, just a large hole for an exhaust, and so on).
@CocaKoala: The TRD Aurions were supercharged. As for fully sick Camry's, I guess someone out there has a thing for turbo'd white goods.
The TRD Aurions were supercharged
I stand corrected. Didn't know these were a thing.
As for fully sick Camry's, I guess someone out there has a thing for turbo'd white goods
Oh yes that's definitely true. :)
Run on E10 and occasionally run it low and then put the next two tanks of Premium in as they have cleaners and the like in them or add your own. If you are concerned in anyway, just don't run it flat out and redline it everywhere. Drive it nice and show some mechanical sympathy to it and that is not going to be the cause the motor to die. Other things will die first. Do not run standard Unleaded in it as that is a bigger difference (and it cost more anyway).
95RON for a Nissan Juke???? LMAO
They are a turbo 3cylinder that does require minimum 95 Ron.Very common with cars like this.95 is very common as minimum requirements in many vehicles nowadays.
How about mixing 98 with 91?
Why?It achieves nothing.
98 is $0.20/L more expensive than 91, 95 is $0.12/L more expensive than 91. If mixing achieves the same result as 95 there is a tiny bit of saving to mix.
91 is garbage.It has a very high sulphur content of 150ppm.98 & 95 is rated @ 50ppm.Our fuel is garbage.Majority of countries are now @ 10ppm.Our fuel standards are not due to change until @ least 2025 @ the earliest.Just use 95 & be done it. Quite frankly who could be bothered mixing fuels? Crazy really just to save a few dollars.
@Hackney: Not everyone drives an old car wants to pay an extra $0.12 a litre for 95 premium unleaded fuel. My car takes 91 and there is no reason to fill it with 95. Yeah I agree that Australia has been sold shitty products all the time at much higher prices than most other countries thanks to our useless government.
@wtfnodeal: We are actually a lot cheaper than most countries(fact) we rank #54, USA is @ #37.Venezuela is the cheapest in the world @ around 3c a litre.Hong Kong is the most expensive @ around $4.50 a litre.Most Euro countries & Scandinavian countries are up around the top with the most expensive in the world.We do ok.
@Hackney: I’m not just talking about fuel but also other products. Most of the time the Australian RRP are higher than other countries after translating the currencies and yet we get the inferior products. Look up Hisense TVs, cars and Maccas menus compared with other countries then you know what I am talking about. There are a few very limited examples that we get better prices of the same quality products because they are Australian manufacturers.
Whatever is recommended in the owners manual.
I have had cars that require 95 minimum, and 98 minimum in one case. I feel that wasting time blending fuels at the bowser is a fools errand.
When you married your partner did you ask for recommendations from their ex-partner or did you refer to the manufacturer?
don't mix…just run what the manufacturer recommends which is 95. Saving a few bucks here and there on 91 will cost you more for a new engine rebuild
Lol. Go and read your manual, see what it says.
Previous owner is not a reliable source of information
91 + half a bottle of octane booster.
Octane booster is always going to be more expensive than just buying 95+.
https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/nulon-octane-booster-cle…
$19.99. Treats 60L. That's 33c/L. Margin between 91 and 95/98 is usually around 20 to 25c
And you can bring that down to 25c with https://www.repco.com.au/en/oils-fluids/additives/fuel-addit….
This is still worth keeping in mind with the volatility in fuel prices, so I don't think it's so easy to dismiss. Also when I used to own high performance cars that were particularly fussy about their RON requirements, I kept a bottle for when I went for long country drives and the type of fuel I was looking for simply wasn't at the pump.
Only on OzB could such a question garner 2 pages of responses when the only one needed was,"Do ONLY what the manufacturers handbook advises."
Which to be fair, was stated in the 2nd or so reply - haha not sure what the next 100+ responses were about. :-)
My car needs 95 and once my father in law filled it up with 91, i knew the moment i drove it as it was just not accelerating normal.
such low effort.
a quick google says the car takes 95.
if its too expensive, sell it for a more efficient car, especially if u drive that much.
it will always cost you more to repair
My car allows 91 and E10.. i have only used 91..
Can i put e10 now as it's sometimes cheaper?
Yes, you can use E10.
To save money, check out the 7-Eleven fuel app, lock-in when the price is low and it's valid for 7 days.
Use whatever the manufacturer declares you must use, not what the last guy said he used.
If it requires 95, then use 95. Don't dilute it with 91. Sure, you may save a few dollars per fill, but is that really outweighing any repair costs you may have later?
(95+91)/2 = 93 ———- thats a good midway compromise
Stupidity?