Question on Demerit Points Calculation or Reset

kiwiyonip on 18/02/2023 - 17:58

"How long demerit points last
If you hold a learner, P1, P2, provisional or probationary licence, we will send you a licence sanction notice if you get 4 or more demerit points within any 1 year period.

If you hold an open licence and you get 12 or more demerit point offences within any 3 year period, we will send you a licence sanction notice.

Demerit points included on a sanction notice are considered ‘dealt with’ and are not counted again."

Question: What happens to demerit points less than 12, AFTER a 3-year period, does it get reset? Or just stays there? Any ideas?

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Comments

  • startthecar on 18/02/2023 - 18:14
    +7

    The 3 year clock is attached to each of your demerit pints received.
    If you received 2 demerit points January 2023 and 3 demerit points February 2023, so long as you don’t accrue 12 in the mean time, in January 2026 2 points will be removed from your points and February 2026 3 points will disappear.

  • kiwiyonip on 18/02/2023 - 18:21
    +1

    ok, thanks!

  • Euphemistic on 18/02/2023 - 21:05
    +2

    3 years after you acrue the points they are cancelled. As above, if you acrue 3 points today, they will be cancelled 16 Feb 2026. 3 points from January 2020 would have expired already.

    If you get to 12, then you might be able to choose 12 months without acruing any more points or a suspension of 1-3 months with no licence. Depends on your state rules and your preference.

  • Some Human on 18/02/2023 - 22:39
    +1

    Just follow the road rules and you won't have to worry about it.

    • kiwiyonip on 18/02/2023 - 23:08

      I clocked 12km over the 110km limit following a convoy of cars, perhaps got pressured from a tail-gating car behind me to get out of the way, so most probably he was clocked too.
      I wonder if this can be appealed as it's a first offence? $431 is not cheap for revenue gathering…

      • Some Human on 19/02/2023 - 00:20

        You can try writing them a letter. Ive heard of people doing this and getting away with it, but there's a certain way it has to be worded. Maybe google it.

        Ouch on the $$$. That optional tax fine is not cheap.

    • Leadfoot6 on 19/02/2023 - 00:38
      +2

      Have realistic road rules without states wanting easy extra revenue and you will have less to worry about.

      • Some Human on 19/02/2023 - 02:04
        +2

        Well you go off and make that happen and then report back to share your success.

    • startthecar on 25/02/2023 - 21:22

      There’s always one… It’s always a good idea to read and understand the fine print and terms of any conditions that apply to you.

  • Leadfoot6 on 19/02/2023 - 02:11
    -2

    I'm not sure what state that you are in, but you might like to know that the move in NSW to "hide" speed camera vehicles, leading to ten times the number of fines issued for "low level" speeding infringements, caused a massive backlash.

    Camera vehicles in NSW are now required, again, to be highly visible.

    https://the-riotact.com/nsws-mobile-speed-camera-signs-are-b….

    Partial success.

    I am currently trying to decide if I "forgive" the current NSW state government for trying to "fleece" the NSW motorist by ramping up hidden speed cameras but rescinding their unpopular measures due to public backlash, or vote for Labor for the first time ever in the forthcoming state election.

    ALMOST EVERY TIME I drive anywhere, I exceed the speed limit.

    I keep my eyes open.

    I don't drink(for 8 years now) or use drugs(ever) and no mobile phone - I constantly had to use 2 way radio whilst taxi driving for quite a few years.

    Still no accidents.

    I have not had an "at fault" accident since 1985 including the more than 1,000,000km traveled(a lot of that whilst driving taxis/courier vehicles for a living, or selling cars as a job driving a huge number of different vehicles over many years) since I started driving in 1978.

    Not every driver is the same.

    P.S. I still have a "Gold" NSW licence - all points currently intact(just).

    • Euphemistic on 19/02/2023 - 05:33

      ALMOST EVERY TIME I drive anywhere, I exceed the speed limit.

      So slow down! It’s not that difficult.

      I still have a "Gold" NSW licence - all points currently intact(just).

      So it appears the speed cameras aren’t raising revenue off you. Why is it a big concern of yours?

      I don’t agree with unmarked speed cameras, but I don’t think it’s necessary to have multiple signs out in advance warning. The one on the roof is enough if you are observant.

      • Leadfoot6 on 19/02/2023 - 06:37

        It is safer to drive "with your head out of the cockpit", rather than in it.
        It is an attitude common amongst pilots referring to the fact that you should not spend all of your time observing the instruments inside the cockpit, but keep a lookout for the surrounding conditions.
        Yes, I obtained a private pilots licence when I was younger.
        Looking at the speedometer all the time. and needing to comply with a multitude of for ever varying speed zones, is a distraction from what is going on.
        It CAUSES accidents.
        (much) More thought by regulators should be applied to the just or equitable setting of speed limits, rather than attempting to maximise revenue levied from fines.
        Speed kills?
        Sorry, I have proved day after day it does not.
        Of course, I am not saying there should be no limits wahatsoever.
        I am not, just that there should be a greater emphasis placed on examining the REAL causes of road accidents and not just concentrating on one panacea.

        • Euphemistic on 19/02/2023 - 08:09
          +1

          Agree that “speed kills” is an oversimplification of the true cause of road trauma. Yet, you state the speed cameras are unfair “revenue raising” and admit that you speed. You can’t have it both ways. IF you knowingly speed regularly you are taking a risk of handing over “revenue”. The old school 10% over rule of thumb is no more, it’s no longer acceptable. The limits are there wether you agree with them or not. If you don’t want to risk a fine you don’t exceed - simples.

          As for staring at the speedo, the only reason anyone with a lot of driving experience would need to do that is if they speed too often. If you drive less than the limit and you creep up a bit before you check your speed, you’re still safe. If you’ve driven a million kms you should be able to judge your speed pretty well, unless you are used to exceeding the limit.

          Have I been caught speeding? Yes, but not for quite a few years. Do I speed? Yes, on occasion, but mostly not. Do I need to stare at my speedo? No, I can usually judge my speed fairly well and only require a glance every now and then. Do I agree with speed cameras? Definitely not unmarked, but not because “revenue raising” because you lose the immediate effect of a copper standing at your window and the immediate consequences. Delayed consequences don’t have the same effect. Would I rather see more highway patrols? Yes, because they can police more than just speeding.

        • kiwiyonip on 19/02/2023 - 08:52

          I also noticed I've been doing this 'check odo' every minute or so, which is I think might actually cause me to have an accident.
          I guess it's just a matter of time…

          • Euphemistic on 19/02/2023 - 10:30

            @kiwiyonip: A glance at your mirrors/speedo every minute or so is hardly staring at the gauges. It’s important to check things that aren’t out your windscreen.

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