MyEnergi Zappi V2 - 7kW Electric Car Charger with Hub $1299 Delivered (Was $1520) @ EVolution Australia

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chuq on 19/04/2023 - 15:55 evolutionaustralia.com.au (501 clicks)
Last edited 19/04/2023 - 16:03 by 1 other user

The myEnergi Zappi is one of the first, and still most popular, solar-aware home EV chargers available.

Ships nationwide - shipping cost not included.

Installation not included. Can be installed by any qualified electrician.

From the Vendor:

The Best Value Zappi Yet

For a limited time only, we're offering the untethered 7kW Zappi V2 + Hub for only $1299 inc GST.

*only while stocks last.

The smartest way to drive on sunshine.

Perfect for all EVs. Simply pair with a public charging cable and download the myenergi app.

At our best price ever, how can you say no?

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  jv on 19/04/2023 - 16:04

  -6

  The smartest way to drive on sunshine.

  Good for charging your car overnight…

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  ranma on 19/04/2023 - 16:16

  This is the charger I am interested in getting, and I had solar installed a month ago, asked the installer whether or not I should order this and have it ready for them to install but he said no, they've got to order it themselves so that the warranty counts… any thoughts on this?

  If I buy this now and then get a qualified electrician to install it, hopefully that works out cheaper and I still get the warranty?

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    Kill Joy on 19/04/2023 - 16:18

    +3

    I believe what your solar installer means is he will not cover under warranty any issue caused by the charger to the solar system if he does not purchase and install it himself. In that case you'd be looking at your qualified technician for damages.

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    Heybargain on 19/04/2023 - 16:20

    +3

    No idea about warranty, but if you want to go down a cheaper route get an electrician to install a 32A 3pin (or 5pin) socket, buy an adapter (something like this https://evchargers.com.au/product/varplug-to-mobile-connecto…) and look at chargeHQ.
    It'll allow you to charge at the same rate as this wall charger.

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      hippyhippy on 19/04/2023 - 16:25

      +1

      Wouldn't this just be the same as the above product? Except the smarts?

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        Heybargain on 19/04/2023 - 16:27

        +1

        Yes. Exception being "cheaper".

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    hybridx on 19/04/2023 - 16:20

    +4

    That sounds like bullcrap so they get to slap their markup on the product.
    If you already have a charger and have a supported vehicle have a look at https://chargehq.net/ instead
    Worked out much cheaper for me

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    damion on 19/04/2023 - 16:24

    +1

    The warranty for the myenergi zappi v2 is online here: https://myenergi.com.au/wiki/zappi-v2/warranty/
    However, there appears to be a jumble of Australian and UK T&C. Not entirely sure if it's all legally valid, but it definitely doesn't mention about who installs it.

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    dontask on 19/04/2023 - 22:09

    Yes, you still get a warranty either way. If you buy it from the installer, and there is a problem in the future, you just call him and he/she is liable for the product as well as the install (they handle everything). If you buy it from the manufacturer, and there is a problem with the unit, you will have to pay the installer to uninstall it, and then you will have to send it to the manufacturer for rectification yourself, then pay the installer to install it again.

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    G-Bard on 20/04/2023 - 05:53

    Careful

    Know someone who bought Zappi, got it replaced twoce under warranty, still not working!

    It appears that Zappi had a batch of unreliable products. The problem is, they keep sending out charger from those batch just to get rid of them although they still willing to replace them under warranty.

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  MauTauAja on 19/04/2023 - 16:48

  -1

  Does anyone tried this on Audi A3 E-Tron?

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    nadan on 19/04/2023 - 16:54

    -1

    The diesel one?

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    chuq on 19/04/2023 - 16:55

    -1

    It works with any EV (including PHEV), provided you have a cable to connect it to a Type 2 socket.

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  bargaino on 19/04/2023 - 16:50

  Why are these things so expensive?
  They don't have any high-power electrics (like a DC charger), just a 32A socket, and some electronics to monitor it, and talk to the car etc.
  $20 in electronics parts on Alibaba, plus the actual 32A socket and custom plastic housings.

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    damion on 19/04/2023 - 17:07

    You would still need high power circuitry to vary the current at 240AC…. I think.
    My guess that would cost more than $20 (inc. components, design, etc) - but overall, definitely it's definitely still many hundreds of dollars more expensive than I would have expected.

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      bargaino on 19/04/2023 - 17:33

      You would still need high power circuitry to vary the current at 240AC

      I don't believe they do anything like that. They just tell the car how much power it can draw, and measure the current. Possibly there is a relay or on/off solid-state switch? But no power regulation.

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        damion on 20/04/2023 - 09:27

        Oh, so the smarts are already in the car? Well, yes, that even makes less sense. Although, it is somewhat expected given how much just the charging cables cost.

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    Russ on 19/04/2023 - 22:34

    They don't have any high-power electrics (like a DC charger)

    Yes they do have a DC "charger". The charger is built into the car, this is a 7kW power supply with DC output.

    Have a look at the diagram in the "pins" section of the Wikipedia page for a type-2 connector:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector

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      bargaino on 19/04/2023 - 22:41

      The charger is built into the car,

      Well, obviously the car has a 7kW DC rectifier built in.

      this is a 7kW power supply with DC output.

      No it isn't. What gave you that idea?

      a type-2 connector:

      Has both AC and DC pins. AC for home charging, DC for fast chargers, which bypasses the internal rectifier.

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        Russ on 19/04/2023 - 22:57

        Even if it doesn't support DC output, it will still have lots of electronics. It has switching for the output, and for sensing for the off-peak signal on the mains.

        Also has circuits for safety, like an RCD, and has certification - which means your home's insurer can't blame you, which they will if your home-made charger burns the house down.

        Do check your home insurance doesn't specifically exclude fires caused by charging electric cars, I wouldn't be surprised if some insurers have exclusions.

        I occasionally do some work for a machining/milling company, and up until about four years ago they were machining the cases for one of the companies that manufactures chargers in Australia (now the cases are made in China). They had lots of heatsinking slots all over them, and mounting points for high-power semiconductors.

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  derdew on 19/04/2023 - 17:23

  buy the mobile Tesla charger and chargehq- way cheaper than this

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    bargaino on 19/04/2023 - 17:38

    You want the wall charger, $750. The mobile charger is only half as fast, but uses an existing 15A outlet, so no install cost if you have one.

    https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/gen-3-wall-connector---…

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      futaris on 19/04/2023 - 20:09

      -1

      Only if you have a Tesla

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        bargaino on 19/04/2023 - 20:22

        +2

        No. Gen3 charger works with other cars. (unlike the old gen2 model)

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          derdew on 20/04/2023 - 08:52

          @bargaino: as does the mobile charger

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    toliman on 20/04/2023 - 03:39

    +5

    Pro/Cons:

    • $750 vs $1200,
    • the Gen 3 is CCS compatible, so it works with 98% of EV's in Australia.
    • it's 32A single-phase (7kw/h), but only 16A Three-phase (16kw/h). Not a big downside as there's few AU models that have 22kw/h 3ph AC charging.
    • The Gen 3 has no real smart features, apart from the ability to connect 2-4x Gen3's on the same circuit, and load-share together.
    • FWIU, It is technically feasible to move the "dumb" Gen3 to a Controlled Load circuit, often used for Hot Water/hydronic heating, depending on the electrician/state. This could make EV charging cheaper in most states that have CL off-peak, at the loss of convenient always-available charging. YMMV.
    • There's the Tesla RF button on the plug to open the charging port door. Which only works on a Tesla.
    • Solar/Eco modes, charging notifications, timers, charge rates, off-peak charging, etc. are managed by the Tesla (and the API), not the Gen3 charger.
    • ChargeHQ is Solar Inverter specific, and you'd also likely need energy monitoring added or set up. YMMV.

    It's usually another $250-$300 to add consumption monitoring, sic. If your Solar Inverter isn't supported by ChargeHQ, and you don't have a solar consumption monitor, that's ~$500 to get your solar installer back to put in a $200 meter… versus the $500 extra to install a smart EV charger that has one inbuilt.

    The reason you'd get the Zappi, Wallbox, or Hypervolt ~ $1200 - $1500, is that they support solar or "eco mode" charging. Also scheduling/off-peak, load-balancing (for older homes or multiple EV chargers on the same circuit), sic.

    Zappi and Hypervolt uses a current clamp on your power meter to measure power load/export.

    Wallbox uses a ~$200 energy meter to monitor your consumption/export more accurately. If your Solar Inverter already has one, now you have two power meters.

    Another reason is ALM, or peak load monitoring. E.g. if your house/main circuit is limited to 50-60A (old wiring, unsafe electrical, sic.) you can have it monitor your grid consumption to avoid going over the peak load for the circuit,

    i.e. if you regular have problems with heaters/kettles/hairdryers causing the power to trip the fuse. It can also support a 2nd EV charger on the same circuit, sic. Which may become an issue in a few years once you have a 2-car garage, sic.

    Zappi, also has a $200 wireless CT sensor, harvi, often tied to their $900 eddi, a Hot-Water relay/diverter, which can delay heating up your HWS for solar/off-peak or scheduled heat/boosting. Alternative Solar HWS diverters are available, but you'd have to figure out if $900 is useful when a new HWS is around $1000, and ~$2000 heat-pumps get a solar rebate, and can be scheduled (Rinnai Enviroflow has WiFi for scheduling/boost). The zappi/eddi system is designed for UK and EU, where peak/ToU tariffs can sometimes change 5-8x a day, and rebates are available for smart-control of large-load appliances like EV/HWS/AC appliances. YMMV if spending $900+ has any return in 5 years or not.

    For most people, the Gen3 is fine. But, you do lose a lot of modern features, and so far, electricity prices can change rapidly. which could be a future cost YMMV.

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  Wimothy Jongingtons on 19/04/2023 - 21:39

  -2

  Tnx OP bought one for my Rimac Nevera

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  G-Bard on 20/04/2023 - 05:56

  Beware guys, know someone who bought Zappi charger, already replaced twice under warranty, still not working.

  It only works for the first few days, then, ceased to work.

  It appears that they have a batch of broken chargers here in Australia. The problem is they appear just want to get rid of them by keep sending out chargers from that batch, although they still willing to replace the faulty ones under warranty.

  The hassle is nightmare.

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  decryption on 20/04/2023 - 14:19

  I've got one of these and the app sucks. Often unresponsive, so when I want to change from FAST to ECO or vice versa, nothing happens. Feels like a bit of a hack product IMHO. If I was buying again I'd either get a Fronius EV charger (I have a Fronius inverter, so it will all tie in to that ecosystem) or get a charger supported by ChargeHQ.