Ok I just need some clarification. So I fully work from home living in Victoria. I work for a national company with Aus HQ based in NSW. Am I supposed to be working or am I entitled for the public holiday. If I do end up working can I claim triple pay?
Need Clarification on AFL Grand Final Public Holiday
sammyq on 18/09/2023 - 12:59
Last edited 18/09/2023 - 13:40
Last edited 18/09/2023 - 13:40
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Do you take NSW State Public Holidays?
I've just checked and there's no specific mention of national or state public holidays.
Ask your boss?
If you take NSW state holidays as a public holiday, then you should be working VIC state holidays. I had a similar scenario to you and had to work VIC state holidays.
Generally it's whatever state you're within at the time of the public holiday.
I used to work for a national consultancy and if you were in Melbourne at the time you were entitled to their public holidays.
I had a guy who missed out on both sets of public holidays once because he was in the wrong state at the wrong time.
I think he guilted them into time in lieu in the end.
I used to work for a national consultancy and if you were in Melbourne at the time you were entitled to their public holidays.
When I was, we had to take annual leave, and if it was a public holiday in our home state, would get an extra holiday in lieu added to our leave entitlements.
My calendar says (VIC) on grand final day, so presumably only Victoria gets the holiday.
Correct, if you are employed in Vic, then you would be entitled to it.
So I fully work from home living in Victoria.
Vic holidays
Vic holidays
This holiday though is a Dan holiday…
Most pointless holiday we have…
It's a day off, why would you be against that?
I don't care if it's the Queen's Birthday or Kings, or Shannon Noels it's a day off.
It's a day off, why would you be against that?
Because lots of people lose a day's pay because of it…
@jv: So we should have no public holidays? Don't be silly it's the company not paying them.
They could absolutely make them full or part time.
Perhaps the company continues to trade that day?
So we should have no public holidays?
Not extra ones… That serve no purpose…
Don't be silly it's the company not paying them.
What are you on about ???
What are you on about ???
Who you do think pays employees? Nothing stops a company from paying employees
Nothing stops a company from paying employees
Contractors do not get paid holidays.
Sole traders do not get paid holidays.
Small business do not get paid holidays.All these people who cannot work because of the holiday will lose a day's pay.
Also, small business owners that employ people must now pay them and lose that money too.
Contractors do not get paid holidays.
Still can work
Sole traders do not get paid holidays.
Still can work
Small business do not get paid holidays.
That's a corporation, corporations don't get holidays
Still can work
Not when they place they work is closed or their customers are closed because of the public holiday…
They lose a day's pay.
@jv: How? https://www.fairwork.gov.au/find-help-for/independent-contra…
Has a high level of control over the work they perform, including their hours, work location and how they do the work
How?
Most contractors are short term and are not employees.
They lose a day's pay when who they work for closes for the day.
That's a corporation, corporations don't get holidays
Not all businesses are a corporation.
Some are individuals, and some are not companies, but still employ people.
Some are individuals, and some are not companies, but still employ people.
Sole Trader <— this one? Still can work, don't employ people
Partnership <— this one? Still can work, don't employ people
Company <— this one?Sole Trader <— this one? Still can work, don't employ people
Not when your clients are shut.
Partnership <— this one? Still can work, don't employ people
Not when your customers are closed or not available
Company <— this one?
Companies can be owned by a couple or people who aren't necessarily rich.
All these people lose a day's pay.
Not when your clients are shut.
Can still do book-keeping etc.
All these people lose a day's pay.
They don't get a days pay they are owners, they are not employed per hours.
Can still do book-keeping etc.
Not all sole traders are book keepers.
The ones that aren't and cannot work, lose a day's pay…@jv: You aren't guaranteed pay every day though, that's employment.
No one pays you for doing your own books.You aren't guaranteed pay every day though, that's employment.
Yes, but by Dan introducing an extra and unnecessary public holiday, it has cost lots of people a day's pay, causing unnecessary financial burden on them. Bills haven't been reduce by a day, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, water… They are all the same, but now there is less income.
No one owes you money if you run a business
If you run a small family owned business, why should you pay extra to employees for no reason?
it has cost lots of people a day's pay, causing unnecessary financial burden on them.
But the people you are talking about, contractors, sole traders, etc, have their pay rates and contracts structures such that sick leave, annual leave, public holidays, etc are not included anyway. That's one reason their rates are higher.
Most workers, on awards or EAs, etc, receive these entitlements.
If you are arguing that, for reasons of efficiency, and productivity, NO-ONE should get public holidays, then that is a legitimate comment. But it is a view that very few people would agree with, and it is exceedingly mean-spirited and Dickensian.
by Dan introducing an extra and unnecessary public holiday
Yes. Make it party political.
If I recall, Jeff Kennett removed the public holiday for Show Day many years ago, and for a long time Victoria had fewer PHs than most other states. Introducing the Grand Final holiday (and on a Friday - thus being more efficient that the previous Show Day Thursday holiday - you'd approve that?) only redressed that imbalance with other states.
have their pay rates and contracts structures such that sick leave, annual leave, public holidays, etc are not included anyway.
This was an extra public holiday. On top of the normal ones.
So all these people have lost a day's pay that otherwise they would have been paid for…
They don't get a days pay they are owners,
They do when they invoice. They can't invoice when they don't work though…
they are not employed per hours.
Some charge per hour, some charge fixed price… That is irrelevant.
@jv: You keep going round in circles, now you are talking about a business that employee others, ie. a business.
They can still open.
now you are talking about a business that employee others
They are just one of the examples where people are losing money because of this unnecessary public holiday…
They can still open.
Not all…
@jv: Agreed, this one sux balls (like Dan Andrews). I lose my overtime for Friday and my Saturday morning shift which is equivalent to almost 1 1/2 days pay. Who gives a flying f**k about the GF parade?
Just throw a sickie so you can get your drink on early. It's the Aussie way.
Let’s get you back into the office full time asap
Haha no thank you. I'm fine with WFH 😊
Why ?
I guess your place of employment determines it. Ie if you are employed in NSW but choose to work in Vic for personal reasons you might not get the holiday. If you’ve always been in Vic and the company knows and approves that, you should get a holiday, but won’t get any NSW specific hols.
If you work remotely you can’t just up and shift to a place where there’s a public holiday to get a free day off work, or collect extra pay. You’ve got some responsibility to work according to the company’s hours, but on the flip side they can’t make you work local holidays if your work arrangement has already been approved.
Long weekends caused by public holidays are a significant boost for tourism, accommodation , hospitality business and associated industries especially in regional and rural areas. So having an extra public holiday is fantastic boost for many business, contractors and sole traders who work in those industry sectors.
Check your employment contract. They may not recognise State Public holidays. That is, they may only recognise National Public holidays.